Payton Award

[eaglesfootball]

In the article about the ADA Award on goeags.com it mentioned that Cooper won't be present in Frisco for the presentation of the Payton Award. Probably a pretty good indication that he's not going to repeat.

If I remember right he wasn't there for the Rice Award and his dad picked it up for him. I don't think that has anything to do with getting it. It would kind of suck though for the group to not have the recipient of your biggest award not be there though. There might be a quick run to the trophy store tomorrow

on the AD show they were saying things like "yeah, it will be good for gage to go and see the game" etc. Briscoe won it.

 

[EagInTexas]

When is it announced?

 

[eaglesfootball]

they just announced it. Briscoe won it.

 

[Seattle Eagle]

I think Kupp SHOULD win it. Everyone in the world tried to stop him, and yet he still had the highest yds/gm average, and did so many other things. Gubrud and Briscoe both are incredible talents, but benefit a lot from their particular schools offensive style of play. There are others, IMO, that have similar skill sets that would produce similar numbers in our and the Bearkat offense. Both Gubrud and Briscoe were somewhat unknown commodities (much more so for Gubrud), so gameplanning against them should've been more challenging then gameplanning for Kupp. Briscoe also had the advantage of padding numbers against very weak competition.

Between the three, I think it should be 1 - Kupp, 2 - Gubrud, 3 - Briscoe. But since the Stats voters showed a pretty distinct disconnect between the SOS factor by ranking SHSU #1 in the country, I think they will just look at the regular season stats, and award it to Briscoe for total yards. I think the voting will turn out to be 1 - Briscoe, 2 - Kupp, 3 - Gubrud.

Unfortunately, I think you are correct. The Payton is mostly a Stats award and they will ignore the fact that Briscoe put up those numbers against horrible competition.

Called it. Congrats to him but I disagree with the idea that he is the best player in the FCS on offense. Put up those numbers against horrible competition.

 

[ewueagfan]

Too bad. Briscoe did have a great year.

 

[Eags12]

This is BS. How the **** are you going to snub the greatest receiver to play in the FCS?

 

[KJEagle]

What a cryin' shame but not surprising.

 

[FormerEag]

Bullshit. Oh well, Coop can laugh his way to the bank when he gets drafted in the 2nd round and has an amazing career.

 

[Crabcakes&Football]

Who the f*ck are we letting vote for this award?

 

[clawman1]

I think the same guys that selected Schweigert as coach of the year in the Big Sky

 

[dudeitsaid]

I think the same guys that selected Schweigert as coach of the year in the Big Sky

And the same people that had SHSU as the number 1 ranked team in the nation most of the year. This is no surprise considering how enamored the media was with the Bearkats, and the votes were in before might Frisco Briscoe withered before JMU in one of the worst fcs playoff beatdowns of all time. The tragic thing is, it wasn't even close. And, you have to think Kupp and Gubrud canabalized some of what would've been the others votes. But even then, STATs love affair with SHSU would still have given Birscoe the win. This is really mostly a "which QB has the most gaudy stats" award now anyways. Some key QB injuries paved the way for Kupp last year.

 

[Atomic Eagle]

Highway robbery.

 

[ClarkWGrizwald]

I would have voted for Kupp.

But I'm curious; if Gabrud had set an FCS record for TD passes and he was selected over Kupp, would you still claim highway robbery?

 

[dudeitsaid]

I would have voted for Kupp.

But I'm curious; if Gabrud had set an FCS record for TD passes and he was selected over Kupp, would you still claim highway robbery?

Both Kupp and Gubrud were pretty close in the voting to one another. Based on what took place this season, I think the argument would be strong for either one, though I think the fact Kupp did it when everyone know he was the guy to stop, and Gubrud had somewhat of the element of surprise, should've tipped it to Kupp's favor.

The truth is, if EWU played in the Southland, VA would've already had the TD record, and Gubrud would've done as well or better than Briscoe did.

But it is all about the numbers, and that TD record had a lot of luster in the eyes of the voters. And, that's not to say that what Briscoe did wasn't impressive. He still had a heck of a season. I just think that Gubrud and Kupp did what they did against a much higher caliber of competition.

 

[Atomic Eagle]

I would have voted for Kupp.

But I'm curious; if Gabrud had set an FCS record for TD passes and he was selected over Kupp, would you still claim highway robbery?

- 26 school records
- 15 NCAA records
- 11 Big Sky Conference records

That's what Kupp accomplished here and it's certainly more impressive than breaking a single season record for TD passes. As far as Gubrud goes, you could also make a strong argument that he was more deserving based on the level of competition that he played against and the fact that he broke the single season record for passing yardage. He also had a higher completion percentage (67.7% compared to 62.6%) and ran the ball for over 600 yards (-53 for Briscoe), but apparently STATS does not account for rushing statistics.

So to answer your question. I think Kupp was the most deserving and would still think that even if Gage had won. My main problem with them giving it to Briscoe is that the voters didn't seem to account for SHSU's pitiful schedule. The Southland was awful this year, even worse than the Big Sky which is saying a lot. You saw exactly how bad a conference it was the first time that Sam played a team worth a damn. Reilly Hennessy or Jordan West probably could have put up those kind of numbers against that schedule.

 

[Seattle Eagle]

I would have voted for Kupp.

But I'm curious; if Gabrud had set an FCS record for TD passes and he was selected over Kupp, would you still claim highway robbery?

- 26 school records
- 15 NCAA records
- 11 Big Sky Conference records

That's what Kupp accomplished here and it's certainly more impressive than breaking a single season record for TD passes. As far as Gubrud goes, you could also make a strong argument that he was more deserving based on the level of competition that he played against and the fact that he broke the single season record for passing yardage. He also had a higher completion percentage (67.7% compared to 62.6%) and ran the ball for over 600 yards (-53 for Briscoe), but apparently STATS does not account for rushing statistics.

So to answer your question. I think Kupp was the most deserving and would still think that even if Gage had won. My main problem with them giving it to Briscoe is that the voters didn't seem to account for SHSU's pitiful schedule. The Southland was awful this year, even worse than the Big Sky which is saying a lot. You saw exactly how bad a conference it was the first time that Sam played a team worth a damn. Reilly Hennessy or Jordan West probably could have put up those kind of numbers against that schedule.

Where is the "like" button?

 

[EWURanger]

I would have voted for Kupp.

But I'm curious; if Gabrud had set an FCS record for TD passes and he was selected over Kupp, would you still claim highway robbery?

If you think it should have been Kupp, then we are in agreement. I haven't seen anyone on here arguing that it should have been Gage so I'm not sure I understand your question. Kind of a moot point, no?

 

[Hambone]

I completely agree. We also played some weak teams but the schedules aren't comparable. WSU, NDSU, Montana etc. versus the likes of Incarnate Word, Lamar, Houston Baptist. Come on man!

 

[ClarkWGrizwald]

I would have voted for Kupp.

But I'm curious; if Gabrud had set an FCS record for TD passes and he was selected over Kupp, would you still claim highway robbery?

If you think it should have been Kupp, then we are in agreement. I haven't seen anyone on here arguing that it should have been Gage so I'm not sure I understand your question. Kind of a moot point, no?

My question was not overly complex. I simply asked if Gabe had set the TD record and won the award, would anyone on here claim highway robbery. based on the replies, I think it is fair to assume they would not have. Just find that fascinating.

 

[kalm]

I would have voted for Kupp.

But I'm curious; if Gabrud had set an FCS record for TD passes and he was selected over Kupp, would you still claim highway robbery?

If you think it should have been Kupp, then we are in agreement. I haven't seen anyone on here arguing that it should have been Gage so I'm not sure I understand your question. Kind of a moot point, no?

My question was not overly complex. I simply asked if Gabe had set the TD record and won the award, would anyone on here claim highway robbery. based on the replies, I think it is fair to assume they would not have. Just find that fascinating.

It's a fair question and statistically both Gubrud and Briscoe had better seasons. Gubrud set the FCS single season passing yards record this year and broke the BSC single season total offense record (awful lot of great names he passed there). He also finished just 33 yards behind Steve McNair for the FCS record (although with a huge assist from the playoffs.)

If philosophically you believe it to be a single season award only and not a career award than Kupp didn't deserve it.

But if you believe it should go to the best offensive player in FCS football, Kupp wins it hands down and it shouldn't be close.

STATS voting is simply not very sharp and full of biases.