Payton Award

[DaEagles]

I would have voted for Kupp.

But I'm curious; if Gabrud had set an FCS record for TD passes and he was selected over Kupp, would you still claim highway robbery?

If you think it should have been Kupp, then we are in agreement. I haven't seen anyone on here arguing that it should have been Gage so I'm not sure I understand your question. Kind of a moot point, no?

My question was not overly complex. I simply asked if Gabe had set the TD record and won the award, would anyone on here claim highway robbery. based on the replies, I think it is fair to assume they would not have. Just find that fascinating.

If Gubrud hypothetically broke the the TD record this season he would have been deserving. I think the point everyone is making that you don't seem to understand is that Kupp and Gubrud posted their numbers against a far tougher schedule than the guy who won. In fact, it was arguably the toughest schedule in Eastern's Division I history.

 

[Rjones61]

I would have voted for Kupp.

But I'm curious; if Gabrud had set an FCS record for TD passes and he was selected over Kupp, would you still claim highway robbery?

If you think it should have been Kupp, then we are in agreement. I haven't seen anyone on here arguing that it should have been Gage so I'm not sure I understand your question. Kind of a moot point, no?

My question was not overly complex. I simply asked if Gabe had set the TD record and won the award, would anyone on here claim highway robbery. based on the replies, I think it is fair to assume they would not have. Just find that fascinating.

I would have called it robbery. Cooper Kupp is the greatest FCS receiver to play football. Period. End of story. He deserves to be awarded the highest offensive award.

 

[ClarkWGrizwald]

I would have voted for Kupp.

But I'm curious; if Gabrud had set an FCS record for TD passes and he was selected over Kupp, would you still claim highway robbery?

If you think it should have been Kupp, then we are in agreement. I haven't seen anyone on here arguing that it should have been Gage so I'm not sure I understand your question. Kind of a moot point, no?

My question was not overly complex. I simply asked if Gabe had set the TD record and won the award, would anyone on here claim highway robbery. based on the replies, I think it is fair to assume they would not have. Just find that fascinating.

If Gubrud hypothetically broke the the TD record this season he would have been deserving. I think the point everyone is making that you don't seem to understand is that Kupp and Gubrud posted their numbers against a far tougher schedule than the guy who won. In fact, it was arguably the toughest schedule in Eastern's Division I history.

First, I question the argument about the competition being substantially better. The Southland is a power conference in the FCS, and RealTimeRPI had the Southland in virtually a dead heat with the BSC.

So I guess I still don't understand why Briscoe getting it is highway robbery when it would not be if Gubrud did in a similar circumstance.

 

[kalm]

I would have voted for Kupp.

But I'm curious; if Gabrud had set an FCS record for TD passes and he was selected over Kupp, would you still claim highway robbery?

If you think it should have been Kupp, then we are in agreement. I haven't seen anyone on here arguing that it should have been Gage so I'm not sure I understand your question. Kind of a moot point, no?

My question was not overly complex. I simply asked if Gabe had set the TD record and won the award, would anyone on here claim highway robbery. based on the replies, I think it is fair to assume they would not have. Just find that fascinating.

If Gubrud hypothetically broke the the TD record this season he would have been deserving. I think the point everyone is making that you don't seem to understand is that Kupp and Gubrud posted their numbers against a far tougher schedule than the guy who won. In fact, it was arguably the toughest schedule in Eastern's Division I history.

First, I question the argument about the competition being substantially better. The Southland is a power conference in the FCS, and RealTimeRPI had the Southland in virtually a dead heat with the BSC.

So I guess I still don't understand why Briscoe getting it is highway robbery when it would not be if Gubrud did in a similar circumstance.

I would seriously question both yours and RealTimeRPI's knowledge of FCS football.

 

[ClarkWGrizwald]

Because the bsc was so strong this year???! :?


It was perhaps the weakest it's ever been. Sorry if that doesn't fit your agenda.

 

[GoldenEagle]

I would have voted for Kupp.

But I'm curious; if Gabrud had set an FCS record for TD passes and he was selected over Kupp, would you still claim highway robbery?

If you think it should have been Kupp, then we are in agreement. I haven't seen anyone on here arguing that it should have been Gage so I'm not sure I understand your question. Kind of a moot point, no?

My question was not overly complex. I simply asked if Gabe had set the TD record and won the award, would anyone on here claim highway robbery. based on the replies, I think it is fair to assume they would not have. Just find that fascinating.

If Gubrud hypothetically broke the the TD record this season he would have been deserving. I think the point everyone is making that you don't seem to understand is that Kupp and Gubrud posted their numbers against a far tougher schedule than the guy who won. In fact, it was arguably the toughest schedule in Eastern's Division I history.

First, I question the argument about the competition being substantially better. The Southland is a power conference in the FCS, and RealTimeRPI had the Southland in virtually a dead heat with the BSC.

So I guess I still don't understand why Briscoe getting it is highway robbery when it would not be if Gubrud did in a similar circumstance.

I would seriously question both yours and RealTimeRPI's knowledge of FCS football.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[kalm]

Because the bsc was so strong this year???! :?


It was perhaps the weakest it's ever been. Sorry if that doesn't fit your agenda.

Ummm...the voting is over...I have no agenda. This is just a discussion.

You can argue the Big Sky was weak, especially at the bottom and based on how Weber and Poly performed in the playoffs but that is only part of the puzzle. The BSC went 4-4 against the MVFC including two OT road losses and a road upset of the MVFC regular season champion by the BSC #4.

But we should be comparing SHSU vs. EWU's schedule. Sagarin has the BSC at 4th and that includes the playoffs which moved the SoCon and CAA ahead of us. We were 2 for most of the regular season. The SLC is the 7th ranked conference, a sizeable 8 points behind the BSC. They have EWU as 145th SOS overall and SHSU is at 203...again that includes the playoffs. If you go back to the end of the regular season, EWU had the #3 SOS in FCS while SHSU was #78.

But forget the computers for a second and look at the OOC...

Wazzu
NDSU
UNI

vs.

Oklahoma Panhandle (DII)
Texas Souther (SWAC)

Sorry but the level of competition is not even close. We have 3 quarterbacks on the roster that would have put up Briscoe type numbers this year against the schedule he played. :nod:

I wonder if there's a correlation between years Montana doesn't make the playoffs and whether or not their fans think the conference sucks? :mrgreen:

 

[EWURanger]

Because the bsc was so strong this year???! :?


It was perhaps the weakest it's ever been. Sorry if that doesn't fit your agenda.

Ummm...the voting is over...I have no agenda. This is just a discussion.

You can argue the Big Sky was weak, especially at the bottom and based on how Weber and Poly performed in the playoffs but that is only part of the puzzle. The BSC went 4-4 against the MVFC including two OT road losses and a road upset of the MVFC regular season champion by the BSC #4.

But we should be comparing SHSU vs. EWU's schedule. Sagarin has the BSC at 4th and that includes the playoffs which moved the SoCon and CAA ahead of us. We were 2 for most of the regular season. The SLC is the 7th ranked conference, a sizeable 8 points behind the BSC. They have EWU as 145th SOS overall and SHSU is at 203...again that includes the playoffs. If you go back to the end of the regular season, EWU had the #3 SOS in FCS while SHSU was #78.

But forget the computers for a second and look at the OOC...

Wazzu
NDSU
UNI

vs.

Oklahoma Panhandle (DII)
Texas Souther (SWAC)

Sorry but the level of competition is not even close. We have 3 quarterbacks on the roster that would have put up Briscoe type numbers this year against the schedule he played. :nod:

I wonder if there's a correlation between years Montana doesn't make the playoffs and whether or not their fans think the conference sucks? :mrgreen:

I get the sense that there is a very strong correlation.

Our run of success this decade is not dissimilar from what Montana experienced during their 15-20 year run when we were often times playing second fiddle. The only real difference between the conference now, and the conference then, is that there is a larger number of mediocre teams you have to get through. The BSC has virtually always been a top-heavy conference and that includes the period of time that Montana was the king of the hill.

 

[dudeitsaid]

Because the bsc was so strong this year???! :?


It was perhaps the weakest it's ever been. Sorry if that doesn't fit your agenda.

Ummm...the voting is over...I have no agenda. This is just a discussion.

You can argue the Big Sky was weak, especially at the bottom and based on how Weber and Poly performed in the playoffs but that is only part of the puzzle. The BSC went 4-4 against the MVFC including two OT road losses and a road upset of the MVFC regular season champion by the BSC #4.

But we should be comparing SHSU vs. EWU's schedule. Sagarin has the BSC at 4th and that includes the playoffs which moved the SoCon and CAA ahead of us. We were 2 for most of the regular season. The SLC is the 7th ranked conference, a sizeable 8 points behind the BSC. They have EWU as 145th SOS overall and SHSU is at 203...again that includes the playoffs. If you go back to the end of the regular season, EWU had the #3 SOS in FCS while SHSU was #78.

But forget the computers for a second and look at the OOC...

Wazzu
NDSU
UNI

vs.

Oklahoma Panhandle (DII)
Texas Souther (SWAC)

Sorry but the level of competition is not even close. We have 3 quarterbacks on the roster that would have put up Briscoe type numbers this year against the schedule he played. :nod:

I wonder if there's a correlation between years Montana doesn't make the playoffs and whether or not their fans think the conference sucks? :mrgreen:

I get the sense that there is a very strong correlation.

Our run of success this decade is not dissimilar from what Montana experienced during their 15-20 year run when we were often times playing second fiddle. The only real difference between the conference now, and the conference then, is that there is a larger number of mediocre teams you have to get through. The BSC has virtually always been a top-heavy conference and that includes the period of time that Montana was the king of the hill.

This is absolutely true, not only of the BSC, but also of all of the other historical autobid conferences, except the CAA, and to a lesser degree, the MVFC. The SoCon really was the App St, Georgia Southern show for most of their recent history. It makes me wonder how many schools are really committed to winning in football, versus just fielding a team. The perennial powers for the most part I think are teams that are really focused on recruiting to compete on a national level. Others I wonder may just be trying to provide an athletic experience for their student body, but really aren't hiring and firing, and aggressively recruiting to assemble playoff caliber teams. This is all speculation on my part, but it wouldn't surprise me to find that in reality, there are only about 40 of the around 100 playoff eligible FCS teams that are really trying to compete for a deep run and potential NC. Glad our team is one of them that is highly focused on success on and off the field.

 

[EWURanger]

Because the bsc was so strong this year???! :?


It was perhaps the weakest it's ever been. Sorry if that doesn't fit your agenda.

Ummm...the voting is over...I have no agenda. This is just a discussion.

You can argue the Big Sky was weak, especially at the bottom and based on how Weber and Poly performed in the playoffs but that is only part of the puzzle. The BSC went 4-4 against the MVFC including two OT road losses and a road upset of the MVFC regular season champion by the BSC #4.

But we should be comparing SHSU vs. EWU's schedule. Sagarin has the BSC at 4th and that includes the playoffs which moved the SoCon and CAA ahead of us. We were 2 for most of the regular season. The SLC is the 7th ranked conference, a sizeable 8 points behind the BSC. They have EWU as 145th SOS overall and SHSU is at 203...again that includes the playoffs. If you go back to the end of the regular season, EWU had the #3 SOS in FCS while SHSU was #78.

But forget the computers for a second and look at the OOC...

Wazzu
NDSU
UNI

vs.

Oklahoma Panhandle (DII)
Texas Souther (SWAC)

Sorry but the level of competition is not even close. We have 3 quarterbacks on the roster that would have put up Briscoe type numbers this year against the schedule he played. :nod:

I wonder if there's a correlation between years Montana doesn't make the playoffs and whether or not their fans think the conference sucks? :mrgreen:

I get the sense that there is a very strong correlation.

Our run of success this decade is not dissimilar from what Montana experienced during their 15-20 year run when we were often times playing second fiddle. The only real difference between the conference now, and the conference then, is that there is a larger number of mediocre teams you have to get through. The BSC has virtually always been a top-heavy conference and that includes the period of time that Montana was the king of the hill.

This is absolutely true, not only of the BSC, but also of all of the other historical autobid conferences, except the CAA, and to a lesser degree, the MVFC. The SoCon really was the App St, Georgia Southern show for most of their recent history. It makes me wonder how many schools are really committed to winning in football, versus just fielding a team. The perennial powers for the most part I think are teams that are really focused on recruiting to compete on a national level. Others I wonder may just be trying to provide an athletic experience for their student body, but really aren't hiring and firing, and aggressively recruiting to assemble playoff caliber teams. This is all speculation on my part, but it wouldn't surprise me to find that in reality, there are only about 40 of the around 100 playoff eligible FCS teams that are really trying to compete for a deep run and potential NC. Glad our team is one of them that is highly focused on success on and off the field.

Agreed, but I don't see much difference between what's going on in the FCS in that regard and the FBS. Even the P5 conferences have schools that aren't committed to winning. Either that, or just don't have the capacity to compete. There's a lot of programs in the FCS where that's true. Probably all relative.

 

[FormerEag]

I wonder if there's a correlation between years Montana doesn't make the playoffs and whether or not their fans think the conference sucks? :mrgreen:

^THIS! :nod:

Go over on the dumpster fire (egrizzz) and see how much they talk about how terrible the 'Sky is. What a joke.