Pepperdine

[Longtimecat]

This loss did more for this team than a hundred "antelope" 50+ point victories could do!

I totally agree. we played tough and had a real chance to win with the ball in our best players hands and 12 seconds to go. Are there things to clean up? Of course. That is how it should be.

I'm not complaining about this game at all. It was a good game and we get them at our place next year. That makes it a great game in my mind. And a learning experience to boot.

:thumb: :thumb:

 

[SWeberCat02]

This loss did more for this team than a hundred "antelope" 50+ point victories could do!

I totally agree. we played tough and had a real chance to win with the ball in our best players hands and 12 seconds to go. Are there things to clean up? Of course. That is how it should be.

I'm not complaining about this game at all. It was a good game and we get them at our place next year. That makes it a great game in my mind. And a learning experience to boot.

Come on Olds! How can you possibly be satisfied with this game? It's a game Weber had no business losing. Any game that isn't a Weber win can't be a great game. What's the learning experience? That it's okay to lose a game you should of won? When will "learning experiences" stop being enough? There's way too much acceptance of the status quo from Weber and it's fans. Please stop with the "just enough" attitude. Until we expect more, more will not be given.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

It would be nice if Rahe were spittin' at every loss. Maybe he is but it sure doesn't show. It was a good game to watch but some of the same frustrations were there that we've grown used to. I hope one of the things to "clean up" is for Weber to learn how to share in the offense, especially at the end of a tight game. It would be nice to get a jump on dealing without Senglin's points next year.

 

[WILDCAT]

This loss did more for this team than a hundred "antelope" 50+ point victories could do!

I totally agree. we played tough and had a real chance to win with the ball in our best players hands and 12 seconds to go. Are there things to clean up? Of course. That is how it should be.

I'm not complaining about this game at all. It was a good game and we get them at our place next year. That makes it a great game in my mind. And a learning experience to boot.

Come on Olds! How can you possibly be satisfied with this game? It's a game Weber had no business losing. Any game that isn't a Weber win can't be a great game. What's the learning experience? That it's okay to lose a game you should of won? When will "learning experiences" stop being enough? There's way too much acceptance of the status quo from Weber and it's fans. Please stop with the "just enough" attitude. Until we expect more, more will not be given.

What do you expect? An undefeated season? I hate it when Weber loses too, every Weber fan should but losses happen, and more often than not they happen on the road.

You say Weber had no business losing this game. Why? Because we are Weber? Sorry that's not how sports work. Every team has a shot to win the game they are currently playing. Ever hear the phrase "That's why they play the game" ? Look at last years football win in Missoula.....I just made my point.

Maybe the ball bounces your way once and a while and you are able to get a win, maybe a player from the other team goes off for 33 freaking points and regardless of what you do cannot stop him.

Games and losses like this might not teach the kids a whole lot more than they already know but it does help prepare them for the long season they are about to endure. Games like this build a grittiness that can only be built by the hardships of the season. Not by rolling everyone by 30 points.

My expectations are every game is winnable. Key word WINNABLE, by definition means CAN BE WON which also means that it CAN BE LOST.

Every team and every player goes into every game with the same mindset. But when you go in expecting nothing but a win you may find yourself sorely disappointed more so than not.

 

[thescout]

objective reasoning indicates this was a game that Pepperdine should have won ....they closed as a slight favorite. Would have been a very mild upset win for Weber... and yes in any very close came the losing team can find reason to believe they should of,could of or would of won...

 

[SWWeatherCat]

Nah, didn't (Wildcat) say you didn't see it? Weber didn't have any business losing it. They were the better team aside from the result, led most of the game, looked like they were gonna blow it open both in the 1st and 2nd half, and then just played dumb at the end. I don't expect them to win every game but am upset when they lose the games they shouldn't, and this was one of those.

 

[SWeberCat02]

objective reasoning indicates this was a game that Pepperdine should have won ....they closed as a slight favorite. Would have been a very mild upset win for Weber... and yes in any very close came the losing team can find reason to believe they should of,could of or would of won...

I'm not talking about before the game, or about who was favored. Did any of you actually watch the game? Weber led almost the entire game (32+ minutes), and by as many as 9 points. Pepperdine led for 3 minutes. Should not have lost, period.

 

[WILDCAT]

Nah, didn't (Wildcat) say you didn't see it? Weber didn't have any business losing it. They were the better team aside from the result, led most of the game, looked like they were gonna blow it open both in the 1st and 2nd half, and then just played dumb at the end. I don't expect them to win every game but am upset when they lose the games they shouldn't, and this was one of those.

No I didn't watch it. But I still stand by what I said. Games are winnable. Which means they CAN be won and CAN be lost. I get mad and upset when Weber loses too, should Weber have won? Maybe, but shouldn't SUU have won the football game earlier this year? There is 40 minutes of basketball. Pepperdine finished the game Weber supposedly started.

 

[SWeberCat02]

This loss did more for this team than a hundred "antelope" 50+ point victories could do!

I totally agree. we played tough and had a real chance to win with the ball in our best players hands and 12 seconds to go. Are there things to clean up? Of course. That is how it should be.

I'm not complaining about this game at all. It was a good game and we get them at our place next year. That makes it a great game in my mind. And a learning experience to boot.

Come on Olds! How can you possibly be satisfied with this game? It's a game Weber had no business losing. Any game that isn't a Weber win can't be a great game. What's the learning experience? That it's okay to lose a game you should of won? When will "learning experiences" stop being enough? There's way too much acceptance of the status quo from Weber and it's fans. Please stop with the "just enough" attitude. Until we expect more, more will not be given.

What do you expect? An undefeated season? I hate it when Weber loses too, every Weber fan should but losses happen, and more often than not they happen on the road.

You say Weber had no business losing this game. Why? Because we are Weber? Sorry that's not how sports work. Every team has a shot to win the game they are currently playing. Ever hear the phrase "That's why they play the game" ? Look at last years football win in Missoula.....I just made my point.

Maybe the ball bounces your way once and a while and you are able to get a win, maybe a player from the other team goes off for 33 freaking points and regardless of what you do cannot stop him.

Games and losses like this might not teach the kids a whole lot more than they already know but it does help prepare them for the long season they are about to endure. Games like this build a grittiness that can only be built by the hardships of the season. Not by rolling everyone by 30 points.

My expectations are every game is winnable. Key word WINNABLE, by definition means CAN BE WON which also means that it CAN BE LOST.

Every team and every player goes into every game with the same mindset. But when you go in expecting nothing but a win you may find yourself sorely disappointed more so than not.

Save the coach speak gibberish for someone else. You're making my point for me, that way to many of you are way to easily satisfied. And after you actually watch the game maybe we can discuss if Weber had any business losing.

 

[Longtimecat]

objective reasoning indicates this was a game that Pepperdine should have won ....they closed as a slight favorite. Would have been a very mild upset win for Weber... and yes in any very close came the losing team can find reason to believe they should of,could of or would of won...

I'm not talking about before the game, or about who was favored. Did any of you actually watch the game? Weber led almost the entire game (32+ minutes), and by as many as 9 points. Pepperdine led for 3 minutes. Should not have lost, period.

There are two teams out on the floor, both playing for the win. Equally matched teams the home team pulled it out in the end. That happens alot in all sports we've all witnessed it. Yea it's a drag.

 

[WILDCAT]

This loss did more for this team than a hundred "antelope" 50+ point victories could do!

I totally agree. we played tough and had a real chance to win with the ball in our best players hands and 12 seconds to go. Are there things to clean up? Of course. That is how it should be.

I'm not complaining about this game at all. It was a good game and we get them at our place next year. That makes it a great game in my mind. And a learning experience to boot.

Come on Olds! How can you possibly be satisfied with this game? It's a game Weber had no business losing. Any game that isn't a Weber win can't be a great game. What's the learning experience? That it's okay to lose a game you should of won? When will "learning experiences" stop being enough? There's way too much acceptance of the status quo from Weber and it's fans. Please stop with the "just enough" attitude. Until we expect more, more will not be given.

What do you expect? An undefeated season? I hate it when Weber loses too, every Weber fan should but losses happen, and more often than not they happen on the road.

You say Weber had no business losing this game. Why? Because we are Weber? Sorry that's not how sports work. Every team has a shot to win the game they are currently playing. Ever hear the phrase "That's why they play the game" ? Look at last years football win in Missoula.....I just made my point.

Maybe the ball bounces your way once and a while and you are able to get a win, maybe a player from the other team goes off for 33 freaking points and regardless of what you do cannot stop him.

Games and losses like this might not teach the kids a whole lot more than they already know but it does help prepare them for the long season they are about to endure. Games like this build a grittiness that can only be built by the hardships of the season. Not by rolling everyone by 30 points.

My expectations are every game is winnable. Key word WINNABLE, by definition means CAN BE WON which also means that it CAN BE LOST.

Every team and every player goes into every game with the same mindset. But when you go in expecting nothing but a win you may find yourself sorely disappointed more so than not.

Save the coach speak gibberish for someone else. You're making my point for me, that way to many of you are way to easily satisfied. And after you actually watch the game maybe we can discuss if Weber had any business losing.

So what should I be satisfied with?

I want Weber to win every game, and I get angry when they lose. But I also know that its a game played by college kids, and that life isn't about getting everything you want and crying bloody murder when your side doesn't win.

I wouldn't call it being easily satisfied, I would call it being realistic.

Sports is about execution and Pepperdine executed in the final minutes and that is why they won...end of story.

 

[Webergrad02]

I watched the game. With 7 minutes left and the Cats up by 9 I started to prepare myself for the loss. Out of the timeout Pepperdine took to stop the bleeding. We came out with the prevent offense with Senglin forcing a shot with 3 seconds left on the clock. They played like they wanted it more down the wire. If we would have done any of the following 3 things we win: make foul shots, Prevent O-rebounds for Pepperdine, not commit so many sloppy turnovers. It was very clear that Senglin was going to take the last shot and it ended up being a partially contested 27 footer.

I agree it was frustrating, but life goes on. Randy coaches how Randy coaches and I knew once we started trying not lose instead of going for the jugular that the loss was a real possibility. If Jeremy's shot goes in, Rahe would have coached a great game and most of the negativity is not happening today. I am expecting similar games at USU & BYU. This Weber State team is good and will be in situations to win or lose lots of games in the last minute. That is how coach Rahe rolls.

Does any team in the Sky have Bigs that can defend Braxton? I absolutely loved how we destroyed them in the paint in the first half with Braxton. They were over playing Jeremy on the perimeter and we made them pay. This team has some huge potential. We need to learn from our mistakes and keep going.

I loved how coach made sure we knew how veteran they were. But we are a veteran team too. The loads of excuses, coach speak, prevent offense and sticking with the half court man, its how coach operates.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

:+1:

100% spot on.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Love the debate! Keep it up members!! (I'm being half-glass full)

Webergrad02 is spot on. We slow down the offense in an effort to shorten the game, but stopped scoring. In the meantime, Pepperdine is pushing it and we are playing flat-footed on defense. If they didn't score at first, they either got the board or were bailed out by Ratstatter.

Issues...waaaay to many TOs by our Seniors. 13 between the three of them; 7 by Jeremy alone! Only 28 boards, no fight on the offensive side of the glass. Too much standing around on the defensive side, waiting for someone else to attack the glass. Our bigs must get tougher!! Final issue...5-12 at the FT line. I was shocked when Hill missed two. I don't think he has done that since his freshman year. Too bad it had to happen last night, but I really feel he was gassed. Need to get more out of Jordan Dallas like more than 5mins a game.

We do need to acknowledge like Scout said, that beating Pepperdine last night would have been a mild upset. They were favored. After watching the game, I'm still shaking my head. Weber is the better team. Weber should have won that game by 10-15. I really wish that Rahe would inherit 1 thing from past coaches, when you are in the driver seat, keep the metal to the floor. These games decide whether or not Weber gets a chance to go to the Dance after winning the Sky but losing in the Tournament. THESE GAMES MATTER!! It is a DI contest and a winnable game. Got to win those that matter. You can bet if the Waves on the bubble this game will help them.

 

[baller]

I watched every second of the game and what I saw was two teams who played hard, responded each time they were challenged for the first 37 minutes. But then, with about 3 minutes left in the game, what I saw was a Pepperdine team that turned up the juice on defense and stepped up their challenging of Weber's possession further out and more aggressively. Weber looked confused with this extra aggression. And, in my opinion, that was the difference in the game. Thats when Pepperdine stepped up an grabbed the win.

I am not so sure that Weber was the better team on the floor last night. We got beat in most phases of the game except one... shooting! Weber shot lights out for the game, far better than Pepperdine. That is an important "better" but it wasn't enough to overcome the all around good play put out by Pepperdine. Yet and still, I have this feeling that Weber should have won the game; that Weber is the better team; and that if the game were played over Weber would win it.

 

[oldrunner]

Our shooting was good and our D was good for most of the game. The two things that must improve for us to push it over the top, rebounding and ball control. A few more rebounds and a few less turnovers and that would have been a better outcome.

We are very close, but we need just a bit more.

On to Stanford.

 

[WSUfan1]

Look. This is a bad loss. Thats the only way about it. The team that is picked to win the Big Sky should beat a middle of the pack WCC team... What do these types of losses do for anyone? I cant think of a single positive. As a fan, I am tired of moral victories, learning experience. What learning experience do these guys need? Most have played in two NCAA Tourney games.... :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: . You are all buying into the Rahe mentality. This team has zero business losing last night.We lost Joel, but brought everyone back. Rahe is a terrible coach, great recruiter. With him at the helm, my passion slips every season. He has peaked in my opinion. I am tired of beating up teams in "league" play. We should seriously just forego the OOC games, we either lose the road games, or play Barbers University at home. Rahe needs to figure out how to coach. His play books need to leave. People act like these games dont matter. These games do matter if you want to have any chance at winning in the dance. I am sure we will win "league," but thats about it. You think these mid-major teams that make noise in the dance are satisfied with losing to a Pepperdine in OOC? Why cant Rahe coach/act like every game is do-or-die? Im tired of just wanting "improvements" game in and game out. What are we actually improving for? 300+ RPI teams come "league?" I mean, come on man... Then people on here defending Rahe and they dont even watch the game, just checking the box score after the game is over. And then dont get me started on Rahe and his OOC record. Oh, what the heck, lets look at numbers. Rahe all-time in true road OOC games,excluding pre-season tournaments is 6-37. :shock: :shock: :shock: He is a whopping 16% on the road in OOC games, meaning on average he winw half a game a season on the road. That not expectable. And the games we all love, the instate games, its worse (for obvious reasons). All-time record vs BYU is 0-10 (soon to be 0-11), against Utah 2-4, against USU 2-10, against UVU 3-2. I didnt include SUU, because they are now members. He is 7-26 all-time against teams from this state, at 26%. Against the "big 3" he is just 4-24, for 16%. It is so pathetic I want to hurl. NCAA record, 0-3, CBI 0-1, NIT 0-2, CIT, 5-2. He would never survive as a head coach in a top 20 rpi conference. He cant coach... Dont get me started on the Montana meltdown and not figuring out the press 11 years later. I seriously have lost touch with this team, and it stems from games like yesterday. It starts with Rahe's no care in the world for these games. He cant put together a decent home schedule for me to see. It is so sad that the home game I am looking the most forward to is Denver.... :wall: It is a good thing I am not a major donor to the program, because I would seriously consider cutting the funds with Rahe at the helm. I have said this before, but I will say it again, we cant get better with rahe, but we can get worse, but I am hopefully one day someone will get us to the next level. I have never before been more excited for WSU football over basketball. Too bad the football season is near an end. Our 11 year head coach cant figure out how to win, and thats the frustration. Look at the talent he has, and nothing to show for it, there is a reason Dame never went dancing. (side note: its getting hard to even listen to the games on the radio.. I cant stand Steve Klauke's voice).

 

[oldrunner]

Uuuummmmm...... Do you still like ice cream? :yikes:

 

[oldrunner]

And that is exactly why we have the home schedule that we have. :bad:

 

[WSUfan1]

I still like ice cream olds.... Before I go to bed. One other thing. Rahe has also never beaten a ranked opponent. Not too relevant, but even Cravens has those type of wins to his credit.