QB Situation

[PurpleBlood]

http://www.standard.net/Sports/2015/10/08/weber-state-quarterbacks-jadrian-clark-justin-shaw.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I know Green didn't win any games, but the offense looked better under Green last year. In all reality, he should have picked up a few wins in what were close games. So many of his pics were not his fault and were still good football plays. I think Green deserves a solid half of play, to show what he can do!

Here are the notes from last years SUU game:

http://www.weberstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPID=3468&DB_OEM_ID=8600&ATCLID=209682277" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[wsucatfan]

The coach mentioned that Clark won 2 of the last 3 games (2014), it should be noted that those games were against N. Dakota, that finished the season 5-7 and Northern Colorado, who finished at 3-8. Clark's wins this year are against Northern Colorado 3-2 and Sac State 1-4. So congrat's thus far with Jadrian as your QB you have one 1 game against a winning team (that will change shortly as UNC's schedule gets tougher in conference). The average winning percentage of the teams WSU has beat is 36% 12-21. In my opinion Billy Green would have won these games much easier that Clark did.

 

[PURPLEFORLIFE]

I voted for Leckington only for the fact that he hasn't been given a chance. The time he got in Fargo was good. He was 3 for 4 on passing, which isn't a huge deal, but still a possible sign. Besides, he has been slated as the backup all year, but hasn't been used at all.

Give him a chance. We have seen Green, we have all seen too much of Clark, and Shaw just doesn't seem ready. Who else do we have? Leckington, might as well give him a shot.

 

[n.ogdencat]

I watched some of practice and I stand by my original assessment...to me, Green is the best QB on our team. Granted, what do I know. I'm just a fan. This isn't my job and I only watched a bit of practice. I'm just worried that if Jadrian is our best, we are in trouble. :kisswink:

 

[wsucatfan]

http://ravallirepublic.com/missoula/news/local/article_47742cfe-7b2c-5a05-9160-bd55deb0f0e2.html
Griz prepare for Weber's dual-QB approach

...The Weber State offense has been among the most anemic in the Big Sky Conference this season, though its statistics were jolted after last week's 44-0 loss to SUU.

No league team has scored fewer points (18.2 per game), while only one has averaged fewer total yards of offense (305.2). Much of that hangs on the struggles of the passing attack, which also ranks last in efficiency (92.3) and is tied for the most interceptions thrown (nine)...

When the Grizzlies face the Wildcats at 2 p.m. on Saturday at Washington-Grizzly Stadium, Montana can expect more of the same at QB. Hill has confirmed a continued look at both guys, though Clark will continue to get the bulk of the snaps.

"Jadrian is still the guy that we're relying on to go in and play well and be a veteran guy who's started a bunch of games for us and won a bunch of games for us," :willybs: Hill said of Clark, who has thrown for 722 yards and three TDs this season.

 

[talhadfoursteals]

http://ravallirepublic.com/missoula/news/local/article_47742cfe-7b2c-5a05-9160-bd55deb0f0e2.html
Griz prepare for Weber's dual-QB approach

...The Weber State offense has been among the most anemic in the Big Sky Conference this season, though its statistics were jolted after last week's 44-0 loss to SUU.

No league team has scored fewer points (18.2 per game), while only one has averaged fewer total yards of offense (305.2). Much of that hangs on the struggles of the passing attack, which also ranks last in efficiency (92.3) and is tied for the most interceptions thrown (nine)...

When the Grizzlies face the Wildcats at 2 p.m. on Saturday at Washington-Grizzly Stadium, Montana can expect more of the same at QB. Hill has confirmed a continued look at both guys, though Clark will continue to get the bulk of the snaps.

"Jadrian is still the guy that we're relying on to go in and play well and be a veteran guy who's started a bunch of games for us and won a bunch of games for us," :willybs: Hill said of Clark, who has thrown for 722 yards and three TDs this season.

hno: hno: hno:
I cringe to think whats going to happen tomorrow. Of course, I'm hoping for a win or even just a close game. Lets keep our fingers crossed, but as long as this QB issue festers the less likely the Cats will be able to be effective on offense. By the way, Jadrian's efficiency is 88%, the 92 is from a combination of other passers, Cameron Livingston among them.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

Did a piece on the QB situation.

http://www.standard.net/Sports/2015/10/08/weber-state-quarterbacks-jadrian-clark-justin-shaw.html

hno: I was a huge fan of this (Hill) hire and had faith that he was the right guy to turn this dismal program around but he is now losing me.

Hill is also expecting Jadrian to be a mentor to Shaw, and believes the two quarterbacks can help the team win.

What could either Clark possibly mentor? Seriously, not that I believe for a minute that Jadrian is interested in focusing his time and effort on having Shaw take his spot but what could he possibly "mentor" this kid with?

Good luck with all this, coach. I hope you continue to find success (in your mind) with your dual QB threat. I can't support it anymore. I'll watch the 1st Q on-line/KJAZZ or until the game is out of hand but even free tix aren't worth watching this offense in person. It's only the 2nd time in twenty-something years we haven't gotten season tix, thank you promotional team for helping me make that decision.

 

[AlumniWSU]

Pondering a vote, but excuse my ignorance, how can one do so clearly ??!!!! The HC & OC don't provide the fans an opportunity to determine it...& from what I'm reading publicly DON'T INTEND TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would be nice to have an inside ear as to what is really being said or the thoughts of HC Hill (privately to team & staff). I get the positive approach in public comments (coach's speak) by Hill, it has to be expected, but like several posters, Coach Hill is rapidly losing the confidence & support of a portion (at least) of fans, who desperately want to provide it and get the WSU Wildcat football program progressing in a positive way!! Seems like at this point, the bus on the rough road of rebuilding the program has hit a big pothole that's flattened a tire or two! :-(

 

[baller]

Comparing Green/Clark...
Green: Rating: Completion %age: Yds/Game: Interceptions vs attempts:
122 61 187 1 int. every 40 attempts

Clark: 87 47 144 1 int. every 23 attempts

Someone needs to pull their head out of their ass! These simple statistics comparing Green last year to Clark this year says it all. In every quantifiable measurement their is no justification for continuing to start Clark. (Please understand that I am not suggesting that either of these QB's are the solution for WSU. Neither one is, but Green is the better choice and might win a game that Clark will not.)

What has Billy Green done to piss off the staff? There has to be something that we as fans are not privy to. I can't believe that this staff can't see that Green is the better choice. I have to believe that they do see this but don't want to start him because of some other reason/issue unrelated to his QB prowess.

And by the way Jay, you need to come up with a better reason to continue to start Clark than that he won two games at the end of the season last year. As someone else hear has already said, those wins were against nobody's and Green could have won those games also.

No decent HC would ever suggest that playing two QB's is a positive thing. It just cannot be justified. It has never worked, and it never will, despite what Hill says about his experience at Utah. They would have had a better year at Utah if they had gone with just Johnson.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Looks like Jay Hill has been here. One vote for Jadrian Clark.

 

[RunnerJoe]

Isn't Shaw going on a mission? If so, its seems worthless to give him that game experience because he may not even touch a football for the next two years. I would hope that Clark could mentor him without him having to play a snap. But heck, I am no QB guru.

 

[talhadfoursteals]

Isn't Shaw going on a mission? If so, its seems worthless to give him that game experience because he may not even touch a football for the next two years. I would hope that Clark could mentor him without him having to play a snap. But heck, I am no QB guru.

That was the discussion in the stands next to me last week. I overheard some people saying that he was heading out on a mission immediately after the season concludes. If so, why burn a red shirt? Totally nutty deal. I think Coach Hill made a really bad decision with Shaw.

As for Jadrian mentoring him, that isn't the right way to develop a young QB. You need a coach doing the work with the athlete. Steve Clark is the QB coach and so, he should be the one doing the leg work getting Shaw ready for the field. Not Jadrian! Jadrian needs to worry about getting more from the offensive unit and leading.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

Isn't Shaw going on a mission? If so, its seems worthless to give him that game experience because he may not even touch a football for the next two years. I would hope that Clark could mentor him without him having to play a snap. But heck, I am no QB guru.

That was the discussion in the stands next to me last week. I overheard some people saying that he was heading out on a mission immediately after the season concludes. If so, why burn a red shirt? Totally nutty deal. I think Coach Hill made a really bad decision with Shaw.

As for Jadrian mentoring him, that isn't the right way to develop a young QB. You need a coach doing the work with the athlete. Steve Clark is the QB coach and so, he should be the one doing the leg work getting Shaw ready for the field. Not Jadrian! Jadrian needs to worry about getting more from the offensive unit and leading.

Neither one of you may be worth a used piece of toilet paper when it comes to making QB calls, but your comments sound more reasonable to me than the crap coming out of Garside's articles. Hill thinks they might be able to go to #12 UM's 25k rowdy stadium and highly touted defense and surprise 'em because Weber had "one of the best practices." Sure, you never go into any game thinking you're going to loose but the reason for the optimism isn't too convincing. Garside (or whoever asked the question) thinks UM might be overlooking Weber, setting the stage for an upset :rofl: . I'll consider it an upset if Weber's offense has a sustained drive for a TD, even in the 2nd half of garbage time.

As for Shaw, maybe they're going to try and coach him out of a mission because of how awesome he looks in practice. Besides, isn't that how they do things on the "Hill?"

 

[purplecore]

My two cents: (call me a lurker, but I've been here since 2011)
I'm the guy that shows up to an occasional practice in spring and summer - sits quietly and observes. I also will go in purple to ISU or Montana and sit among the locals while I cheer for WSU then go on my way. I voted in our little pole for Billy Green. Here's why -- He looked pretty dang good and stood in when our O-line was still rough last year. No games won, but he had some incredible completions while in the grasp. As the season wore on with close contests but no wins, he became timid and overthought his options resulting in turn-overs. Jadrian was in the wings, eager to go and a change was made. We won two games and Jadrian's feet seemed his best asset and we actually used them in the play-calling. The team rallied around him a bit. He then went down to injury and Billy Green came back on -- played alright and kept us in games but did not total a win. I noted that in all of Billy's games he seemed to conduct himself as a veteran might and their did not seem to be a rah-rah type attitude on display. I believe the coaches interpreted that as he had not bought in totally to the system. From my seat I don't see it that way. You can it done and still be a quiet athlete. I think that with the O-line performances we have seen this year (pretty decent protection) Green would be keeping us in and winning games. I don't fault him for being somewhat slow in gaining complete confidence in a system and OC that has issues in play selection and pulled him "so he could observe and learn" last year. Especially, in light of his redshirt miss use while at BYU which cost a year of eligibility for one down of football. He is not a Rah-Rah, "We're gonna shock the world" guy. But I think he would surprise the staff if they put him in.

For that matter Leckington is being mis-managed by not seeing the field. Clark's arm is not the answer and his feet are not being used. Shaw will be good later on but he is probably frail enough right now that he is susceptible to injury. I don't worry about his last performance because he is just not ready and I remember the debut of Jamie Martin -- it wasn't pretty.

OK - I probably will post again in a few years. I do enjoy reading all of you guys and various opinions here.

 

[wsucatfan]

My two cents: (call me a lurker, but I've been here since 2011)
I'm the guy that shows up to an occasional practice in spring and summer - sits quietly and observes. I also will go in purple to ISU or Montana and sit among the locals while I cheer for WSU then go on my way. I voted in our little pole for Billy Green. Here's why -- He looked pretty dang good and stood in when our O-line was still rough last year. No games won, but he had some incredible completions while in the grasp. As the season wore on with close contests but no wins, he became timid and overthought his options resulting in turn-overs. Jadrian was in the wings, eager to go and a change was made. We won two games and Jadrian's feet seemed his best asset and we actually used them in the play-calling. The team rallied around him a bit. He then went down to injury and Billy Green came back on -- played alright and kept us in games but did not total a win. I noted that in all of Billy's games he seemed to conduct himself as a veteran might and their did not seem to be a rah-rah type attitude on display. I believe the coaches interpreted that as he had not bought in totally to the system. From my seat I don't see it that way. You can it done and still be a quiet athlete. I think that with the O-line performances we have seen this year (pretty decent protection) Green would be keeping us in and winning games. I don't fault him for being somewhat slow in gaining complete confidence in a system and OC that has issues in play selection and pulled him "so he could observe and learn" last year. Especially, in light of his redshirt miss use while at BYU which cost a year of eligibility for one down of football. He is not a Rah-Rah, "We're gonna shock the world" guy. But I think he would surprise the staff if they put him in.

For that matter Leckington is being mis-managed by not seeing the field. Clark's arm is not the answer and his feet are not being used. Shaw will be good later on but he is probably frail enough right now that he is susceptible to injury. I don't worry about his last performance because he is just not ready and I remember the debut of Jamie Martin -- it wasn't pretty.

OK - I probably will post again in a few years. I do enjoy reading all of you guys and various opinions here.

:thumb:

 

[Dave Berry]

Coach Hill are you listening ~ Billy Green is the most talented QB on your team. Playing a freshman as a backup makes no sense. Billy Green gives you the best chance to WIN every week and you pretend that he doesn't exist,
If the AD is reading this blog he needs to ask the obvious question to his head coach "Why are you not starting Billy Green????
If this QB formula doesn't change Coach Hill must go ~ His coaching decisions for starting QB must be painful to watch for the teams Offensive Coordinators and QB Coach!!!!
Coach Hill as the fan poll suggests you are in the minority on the starting QB!!
For the sake of saving a losing season Start Billy Green at QB ~ He may just save your job!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SWeberCat02]

Coach Clark checked in. Two votes for Jadrian.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

Coach Clark checked in. Two votes for Jadrian.

:lol:

In all seriousness, how do we make a knowledgeable vote, we have really only seen enough of 1 QB? I don't think we've seen enough of Shaw to get a very good feel. Even though Green looks statistically better (he got my vote) we're not comparing this season's stats. We really don't have anything else to go on unless we're lurking at what must be very entertaining practices.

 

[Zachatyack]

What about Hilinski?

Something must have happened to have him to have him not playing.

He cannot be worse then the others.

Anyone know what happened to him??

 

[AlumniWSU]

Coach Clark checked in. Two votes for Jadrian.

:lol:

In all seriousness, how do we make a knowledgeable vote, we have really only seen enough of 1 QB? I don't think we've seen enough of Shaw to get a very good feel. Even though Green looks statistically better (he got my vote) we're not comparing this season's stats. We really don't have anything else to go on unless we're lurking at what must be very entertaining practices.

:clap: My thoughts (post) exactly...should have just asked for a vote on who should be the starting QB-- Clark vs. Green???

This is just for entertainment, as the arguments over the QB situation are wearing old & obviously met by deaf ears as far as the guys making the calls, namely the coaching staff. :roll: