Randy Rahe era, at a glance

[hawkssb04]

I curated every Big Sky record since Randy Rahe started in 2006-07 (10 and a half seasons). Some interesting things stand out.

• Big Sky Regular Season Record (win percentage)
  1. Weber State, 135-44, .754
  2. Montana, 130-51, .718
  3. Idaho, 24-20, .545
  4. North Dakota, 45-40, .529
  5. Portland State, 93-85, .520
  6. Eastern Washington, 87-93, .483
  7. Northern Colorado, 87-94, .481
  8. Northern Arizona, 83-97, .461
  9. Montana State, 82-99, .453
  10. Idaho State, 69-110, .385
  11. Sacramento State, 60-119, .335
  12. Southern Utah, 21-63, .250

• Big Sky Postseason Record (win percentage)
  T1. Weber State, 13-7, .650
  T1. Montana, 13-7, .650
  T3. Eastern Washington, 5-3, .625
  T3. North Dakota, 5-3, .625
  5. Portland State, 9-6, .600
  6. Northern Colorado, 4-5, .444
  7. Sacramento State, 2-3, .400
  8. Northern Arizona, 4-8, .333
  9. Idaho, 1-2, .333
  10. Idaho State, 2-5, .286
  11. Montana State, 2-8, .200
  12. Southern Utah, 0-2, .000

• Regular Season Titles
  1. Weber State, 5
  2. Montana, 3
  T3. Portland State, 1
  T3. Northern Colorado, 1
  T3. Northern Arizona, 1

• Big Sky Tournament Titles
  T1. Weber State, 3
  T1. Montana, 3
  3. Portland State, 2
  T4. Northern Colorado, 1
  T4. Eastern Washington, 1

First off, I think this shows how lucky we are to have Randy Rahe, and talks about "letting him go" need to stop. His success speaks for itself here. That being said, I would still like to see him beat BYU and win an NCAA tourney game at some point.

Second, outside of us, Montana and Portland State, the conference has NOT been good. With the exception of newcomers Idaho and North Dakota (soon to be a past member), no other team even has a win percentage above .500. That being said, Southern Utah has been a special level of bad since joining the Big Sky. Like REALLY bad. It's shameful that we got swept by those guys two years ago.

Montana State's overall suckiness in the postseason also stands out. It's worth noting that one of their two wins came against us in an upset of the Big Sky semis in 2008-09, though. That sucked ...

 

[baller]

I am not one for wanting to "let him go". I am, however, one who would like to see someone else take control of the scheduling and upgrade our pre-conference games to a level that could grow our national stature a bit. If that means that we have to play more top-level road games, so be it. AD needs to put some pressure on Randy to raise his sites to playing, competing and sometimes winning against teams between 50-200 in the RPI and to put more emphasis on winning an NCAA game or two. To me, Randy's "shortcoming" (no pun intended) is that he has bought into the Stew Morrill attitude of playing nobodies, trying to win the conference and never winning a game in the NCAA's. Jerry B., do your job. Push Randy to raise his sites to a higher level...

 

[SWeberCat02]

Good work hawks, this is good info, but I think a true look at the Randy Rahe era has to include his total body of work. We can't ignore that Rahe has been much less than successful OOC, including in the NCAA tournament, and this should be considered as well when viewing the Rahe era. As you said yourself, the Big Sky is downright bad and so without considering what Rahe has done against better competition we don't get an accurate view. :twocents:

 

[n.ogdencat]

Great work hawks! I love the info.

As for the NCAA complaint. Randy has faced 2 seed UCLA, 1 seed Arizona, and 2 seed Xavier. Losing by less than 10 against Arizona, as a 16, to me, is almost as good as a win. However, I will say this, if Randy would have hacked a Gordon for the last 5 mins of that game, Weber could have gotten closer and really put some fear into the Arizona version of the Wildcats. But, that is Randy. He is going to play a team straight up. Nothing dirty and for that you have to admire the man. No matter, he has done an absolutely amazing job here at Weber State. Yes, I crap and moan at times, but I think overall we are very lucky to have Randy Rahe as a Wildcat.

 

[Junctioncat]

Good info Hawks! It takes some work to put that together. :-D

I think most people are set in their opinion about Rahe. I personally love the job he is doing. Could he do better? You bet.

The question I have been dying to ask the forum is, has coach Rahe improved over the time he has been at WSU? I am a optimist and would like to think that he is a better coach now than his first year at WSU.

It still hurts my brain that Lillard never went to the tournament, but Joel/Senglin's teams made it twice...Hopefully three times for Jeremy.

 

[SWeberCat02]

The question I have been dying to ask the forum is, has coach Rahe improved over the time he has been at WSU? I am a optimist and would like to think that he is a better coach now than his first year at WSU.

He won the conference his first season and has continued to win the conference, or finish near the top, every year since (minus the 14-15 season). There really isn't much room for improvement when it comes to conference play. If fact, success has probably become easier as the conference has gradually become worse. Looking at OOC play I don't see much improvement, but he hasn't really gotten any worse either. But there's a ton of room for improvement there, which is the frustrating thing when we don't see improvement.

My question is this: Can you attribute conference success during the Rahe era more to Rahe's coaching or more to the fact that Weber has superior tradition, facilities, resources, and support? In other words, would most other competent coaches have the same success here simply because it's Weber St?

 

[oldrunner]

The question I have been dying to ask the forum is, has coach Rahe improved over the time he has been at WSU? I am a optimist and would like to think that he is a better coach now than his first year at WSU.

It still hurts my brain that Lillard never went to the tournament, but Joel/Senglin's teams made it twice...Hopefully three times for Jeremy.

I don't know what planet some of these posters have been living on. The answer to your question is YES. The coaches have brought in new ideas every year. Things that are working are added and things that are not working are dropped. The staff's base of knowledge has improved immensely and our teams have steadily improved as well. Our standards for recruiting are so much higher now, than they were 10 years ago, it's like night and day. To say that the BSC has gotten worse shows a total lack of knowledge. Randy's first team, that won a championship, would not even finish in the top 6 of the conference today. Yes, the BSC added some weak programs, but the conference is stronger as a whole. The NCAA landscape has changed dramatically over that time frame, and before, to cause some real scheduling problems for mid majors.

We all want to see more wins against instate rivals, other mid majors, and in the NCAA championships. That certainly is the next step that needs to be taken. Firing people and starting over, like some uninformed posters would like to do, would be the stupidest thing ever, IMO.

 

[WSUfan1]

The question I have been dying to ask the forum is, has coach Rahe improved over the time he has been at WSU? I am a optimist and would like to think that he is a better coach now than his first year at WSU.

It still hurts my brain that Lillard never went to the tournament, but Joel/Senglin's teams made it twice...Hopefully three times for Jeremy.

I don't know what planet some of these posters have been living on. The answer to your question is YES. The coaches have brought in new ideas every year. Things that are working are added and things that are not working are dropped. The staff's base of knowledge has improved immensely and our teams have steadily improved as well. Our standards for recruiting are so much higher now, than they were 10 years ago, it's like night and day. To say that the BSC has gotten worse shows a total lack of knowledge. Randy's first team, that won a championship, would not even finish in the top 6 of the conference today. Yes, the BSC added some weak programs, but the conference is stronger as a whole. The NCAA landscape has changed dramatically over that time frame, and before, to cause some real scheduling problems for mid majors.

We all want to see more wins against instate rivals, other mid majors, and in the NCAA championships. That certainly is the next step that needs to be taken. Firing people and starting over, like some uninformed posters would like to do, would be the stupidest thing ever, IMO.

Olds, you seriously need to take your meds. This is near the top of the list when is comes to garbage comments. Please, check your med count for the day before posting. Which planet/hole have you been on? The conference is so garbage right now. I dare say the worst it has ever been. Do you even have "knowledge" about the conference? In honesty, the Big Sky is just one baby step ahead of DII schools. The gyms the conference has, the RPI's, attendance, etc. etc. The only saving grace is Weber State. To say the conference is getting better, shows me you really don't follow the stats and numbers that closely.

So I will go ahead and show you...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/groupId/5 :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

There are currently 32 DI conferences, and the one we affiliate with is ranked #29.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/conference/rpi/2016-17

Pretty sure I want to puke.... But this is the current ranking.

Year - Final Conference Rank
06/07 - 24th - Rahe's first season
07/08 - 23rd
08/09 - 24th
09/10 - 18th (The one season the BSC cracked into the teens, and A.J. did his thing to Rahe)
10/11 - 25th
11/12 - 26th
12/13 - 28th
13/14 - 25th
14/15 - 27th
15/16 - 27th
16/17 - 29th (current season)

According to CBSSports, from the 1994/1995 season through the 2005/2006 season the conference had a final average RPI ranking of 18.8. At the end of the 1998/1999 and 2000/2001 seasons the conference finished at 13th!! The messing up this trend was when we began adding teams like CS-Northridge, Northern Colorado, SUU, and UND (so glad to see them leave).

So Olds, please show us, the posters who are "uniformed," exactly how the conference has gotten better or stronger? The average up to this point is a 25th ranked conference ( during the Rahe era). However, since the 09/10 season, the average is 26.7th. That olds, is what we call not improving. Not a single poster on here has ever bashed Rahe for not winning conference games. He has gotten nearly 90% of his overall/total wins against the bottom 1/5th ranked teams in DI, or basically against the worst teams in America. Look you can sift through other threads, as I have stated before, Rahe will continue to win "leauge' games and titles, but thats where the peaking stops. Rahe is a terrible OOC coach, just awful. He has figured out job security by scheduling pasties at home, and banking on having several sub 300 rpi teams in the conference. It is very simple to comprehend, and to see the BSC is terrible. It is like others have stated, " big fish in a small pond." This time of year folks forget about the early season games we lost/lose, and get caught up in the hype of beating awful teams in the conference. I however, do not forget the first half of the schedule.

Olds, in short: The conference has not gotten better, but it's gotten drastically worse. Also, 90% of Rahe's wins come against inferior teams that come from a bottom dweller conference (BSC). I have used facts to try and educate. Some will agree with this, and many will not. The reality is that this conference is sinking, and I do not see it coming back up to a 13 rpi rank anytime soon.

 

[WILDCAT]

The question I have been dying to ask the forum is, has coach Rahe improved over the time he has been at WSU? I am a optimist and would like to think that he is a better coach now than his first year at WSU.

It still hurts my brain that Lillard never went to the tournament, but Joel/Senglin's teams made it twice...Hopefully three times for Jeremy.

I don't know what planet some of these posters have been living on. The answer to your question is YES. The coaches have brought in new ideas every year. Things that are working are added and things that are not working are dropped. The staff's base of knowledge has improved immensely and our teams have steadily improved as well. Our standards for recruiting are so much higher now, than they were 10 years ago, it's like night and day. To say that the BSC has gotten worse shows a total lack of knowledge. Randy's first team, that won a championship, would not even finish in the top 6 of the conference today. Yes, the BSC added some weak programs, but the conference is stronger as a whole. The NCAA landscape has changed dramatically over that time frame, and before, to cause some real scheduling problems for mid majors.

We all want to see more wins against instate rivals, other mid majors, and in the NCAA championships. That certainly is the next step that needs to be taken. Firing people and starting over, like some uninformed posters would like to do, would be the stupidest thing ever, IMO.

Olds, you seriously need to take your meds. This is near the top of the list when is comes to garbage comments. Please, check your med count for the day before posting. Which planet/hole have you been on? The conference is so garbage right now. I dare say the worst it has ever been. Do you even have "knowledge" about the conference? In honesty, the Big Sky is just one baby step ahead of DII schools. The gyms the conference has, the RPI's, attendance, etc. etc. The only saving grace is Weber State. To say the conference is getting better, shows me you really don't follow the stats and numbers that closely.

So I will go ahead and show you...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/groupId/5 :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

There are currently 32 DI conferences, and the one we affiliate with is ranked #29.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/conference/rpi/2016-17

Pretty sure I want to puke.... But this is the current ranking.

Year - Final Conference Rank
06/07 - 24th - Rahe's first season
07/08 - 23rd
08/09 - 24th
09/10 - 18th (The one season the BSC cracked into the teens, and A.J. did his thing to Rahe)
10/11 - 25th
11/12 - 26th
12/13 - 28th
13/14 - 25th
14/15 - 27th
15/16 - 27th
16/17 - 29th (current season)

According to CBSSports, from the 1994/1995 season through the 2005/2006 season the conference had a final average RPI ranking of 18.8. At the end of the 1998/1999 and 2000/2001 seasons the conference finished at 13th!! The messing up this trend was when we began adding teams like CS-Northridge, Northern Colorado, SUU, and UND (so glad to see them leave).

So Olds, please show us, the posters who are "uniformed," exactly how the conference has gotten better or stronger? The average up to this point is a 25th ranked conference ( during the Rahe era). However, since the 09/10 season, the average is 26.7th. That olds, is what we call not improving. Not a single poster on here has ever bashed Rahe for not winning conference games. He has gotten nearly 90% of his overall/total wins against the bottom 1/5th ranked teams in DI, or basically against the worst teams in America. Look you can sift through other threads, as I have stated before, Rahe will continue to win "leauge' games and titles, but thats where the peaking stops. Rahe is a terrible OOC coach, just awful. He has figured out job security by scheduling pasties at home, and banking on having several sub 300 rpi teams in the conference. It is very simple to comprehend, and to see the BSC is terrible. It is like others have stated, " big fish in a small pond." This time of year folks forget about the early season games we lost/lose, and get caught up in the hype of beating awful teams in the conference. I however, do not forget the first half of the schedule.

Olds, in short: The conference has not gotten better, but it's gotten drastically worse. Also, 90% of Rahe's wins come against inferior teams that come from a bottom dweller conference (BSC). I have used facts to try and educate. Some will agree with this, and many will not. The reality is that this conference is sinking, and I do not see it coming back up to a 13 rpi rank anytime soon.

The troll has come out of his cave

 

[WSUfan1]

The question I have been dying to ask the forum is, has coach Rahe improved over the time he has been at WSU? I am a optimist and would like to think that he is a better coach now than his first year at WSU.

It still hurts my brain that Lillard never went to the tournament, but Joel/Senglin's teams made it twice...Hopefully three times for Jeremy.

I don't know what planet some of these posters have been living on. The answer to your question is YES. The coaches have brought in new ideas every year. Things that are working are added and things that are not working are dropped. The staff's base of knowledge has improved immensely and our teams have steadily improved as well. Our standards for recruiting are so much higher now, than they were 10 years ago, it's like night and day. To say that the BSC has gotten worse shows a total lack of knowledge. Randy's first team, that won a championship, would not even finish in the top 6 of the conference today. Yes, the BSC added some weak programs, but the conference is stronger as a whole. The NCAA landscape has changed dramatically over that time frame, and before, to cause some real scheduling problems for mid majors.

We all want to see more wins against instate rivals, other mid majors, and in the NCAA championships. That certainly is the next step that needs to be taken. Firing people and starting over, like some uninformed posters would like to do, would be the stupidest thing ever, IMO.

Olds, you seriously need to take your meds. This is near the top of the list when is comes to garbage comments. Please, check your med count for the day before posting. Which planet/hole have you been on? The conference is so garbage right now. I dare say the worst it has ever been. Do you even have "knowledge" about the conference? In honesty, the Big Sky is just one baby step ahead of DII schools. The gyms the conference has, the RPI's, attendance, etc. etc. The only saving grace is Weber State. To say the conference is getting better, shows me you really don't follow the stats and numbers that closely.

So I will go ahead and show you...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/groupId/5 :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

There are currently 32 DI conferences, and the one we affiliate with is ranked #29.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/conference/rpi/2016-17

Pretty sure I want to puke.... But this is the current ranking.

Year - Final Conference Rank
06/07 - 24th - Rahe's first season
07/08 - 23rd
08/09 - 24th
09/10 - 18th (The one season the BSC cracked into the teens, and A.J. did his thing to Rahe)
10/11 - 25th
11/12 - 26th
12/13 - 28th
13/14 - 25th
14/15 - 27th
15/16 - 27th
16/17 - 29th (current season)

According to CBSSports, from the 1994/1995 season through the 2005/2006 season the conference had a final average RPI ranking of 18.8. At the end of the 1998/1999 and 2000/2001 seasons the conference finished at 13th!! The messing up this trend was when we began adding teams like CS-Northridge, Northern Colorado, SUU, and UND (so glad to see them leave).

So Olds, please show us, the posters who are "uniformed," exactly how the conference has gotten better or stronger? The average up to this point is a 25th ranked conference ( during the Rahe era). However, since the 09/10 season, the average is 26.7th. That olds, is what we call not improving. Not a single poster on here has ever bashed Rahe for not winning conference games. He has gotten nearly 90% of his overall/total wins against the bottom 1/5th ranked teams in DI, or basically against the worst teams in America. Look you can sift through other threads, as I have stated before, Rahe will continue to win "leauge' games and titles, but thats where the peaking stops. Rahe is a terrible OOC coach, just awful. He has figured out job security by scheduling pasties at home, and banking on having several sub 300 rpi teams in the conference. It is very simple to comprehend, and to see the BSC is terrible. It is like others have stated, " big fish in a small pond." This time of year folks forget about the early season games we lost/lose, and get caught up in the hype of beating awful teams in the conference. I however, do not forget the first half of the schedule.

Olds, in short: The conference has not gotten better, but it's gotten drastically worse. Also, 90% of Rahe's wins come against inferior teams that come from a bottom dweller conference (BSC). I have used facts to try and educate. Some will agree with this, and many will not. The reality is that this conference is sinking, and I do not see it coming back up to a 13 rpi rank anytime soon.

The troll has come out of his cave

Right... someone presents facts, and that now makes them irrelevant.. Typical liberal response of you Wildcat..

 

[Longtimcat]

The question I have been dying to ask the forum is, has coach Rahe improved over the time he has been at WSU? I am a optimist and would like to think that he is a better coach now than his first year at WSU.

It still hurts my brain that Lillard never went to the tournament, but Joel/Senglin's teams made it twice...Hopefully three times for Jeremy.

I don't know what planet some of these posters have been living on. The answer to your question is YES. The coaches have brought in new ideas every year. Things that are working are added and things that are not working are dropped. The staff's base of knowledge has improved immensely and our teams have steadily improved as well. Our standards for recruiting are so much higher now, than they were 10 years ago, it's like night and day. To say that the BSC has gotten worse shows a total lack of knowledge. Randy's first team, that won a championship, would not even finish in the top 6 of the conference today. Yes, the BSC added some weak programs, but the conference is stronger as a whole. The NCAA landscape has changed dramatically over that time frame, and before, to cause some real scheduling problems for mid majors.

We all want to see more wins against instate rivals, other mid majors, and in the NCAA championships. That certainly is the next step that needs to be taken. Firing people and starting over, like some uninformed posters would like to do, would be the stupidest thing ever, IMO.

Olds, you seriously need to take your meds. This is near the top of the list when is comes to garbage comments. Please, check your med count for the day before posting. Which planet/hole have you been on? The conference is so garbage right now. I dare say the worst it has ever been. Do you even have "knowledge" about the conference? In honesty, the Big Sky is just one baby step ahead of DII schools. The gyms the conference has, the RPI's, attendance, etc. etc. The only saving grace is Weber State. To say the conference is getting better, shows me you really don't follow the stats and numbers that closely.

So I will go ahead and show you...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/groupId/5 :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

There are currently 32 DI conferences, and the one we affiliate with is ranked #29.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/conference/rpi/2016-17

Pretty sure I want to puke.... But this is the current ranking.

Year - Final Conference Rank
06/07 - 24th - Rahe's first season
07/08 - 23rd
08/09 - 24th
09/10 - 18th (The one season the BSC cracked into the teens, and A.J. did his thing to Rahe)
10/11 - 25th
11/12 - 26th
12/13 - 28th
13/14 - 25th
14/15 - 27th
15/16 - 27th
16/17 - 29th (current season)

According to CBSSports, from the 1994/1995 season through the 2005/2006 season the conference had a final average RPI ranking of 18.8. At the end of the 1998/1999 and 2000/2001 seasons the conference finished at 13th!! The messing up this trend was when we began adding teams like CS-Northridge, Northern Colorado, SUU, and UND (so glad to see them leave).

So Olds, please show us, the posters who are "uniformed," exactly how the conference has gotten better or stronger? The average up to this point is a 25th ranked conference ( during the Rahe era). However, since the 09/10 season, the average is 26.7th. That olds, is what we call not improving. Not a single poster on here has ever bashed Rahe for not winning conference games. He has gotten nearly 90% of his overall/total wins against the bottom 1/5th ranked teams in DI, or basically against the worst teams in America. Look you can sift through other threads, as I have stated before, Rahe will continue to win "leauge' games and titles, but thats where the peaking stops. Rahe is a terrible OOC coach, just awful. He has figured out job security by scheduling pasties at home, and banking on having several sub 300 rpi teams in the conference. It is very simple to comprehend, and to see the BSC is terrible. It is like others have stated, " big fish in a small pond." This time of year folks forget about the early season games we lost/lose, and get caught up in the hype of beating awful teams in the conference. I however, do not forget the first half of the schedule.

Olds, in short: The conference has not gotten better, but it's gotten drastically worse. Also, 90% of Rahe's wins come against inferior teams that come from a bottom dweller conference (BSC). I have used facts to try and educate. Some will agree with this, and many will not. The reality is that this conference is sinking, and I do not see it coming back up to a 13 rpi rank anytime soon.

The troll has come out of his cave

Right... someone presents facts, and that now makes them irrelevant.. Typical liberal response of you Wildcat..

If you hate Rahe so bad and the Big Sky conference why not go troll on one with a better conference ranking.

 

[WILDCAT]

The question I have been dying to ask the forum is, has coach Rahe improved over the time he has been at WSU? I am a optimist and would like to think that he is a better coach now than his first year at WSU.

It still hurts my brain that Lillard never went to the tournament, but Joel/Senglin's teams made it twice...Hopefully three times for Jeremy.

I don't know what planet some of these posters have been living on. The answer to your question is YES. The coaches have brought in new ideas every year. Things that are working are added and things that are not working are dropped. The staff's base of knowledge has improved immensely and our teams have steadily improved as well. Our standards for recruiting are so much higher now, than they were 10 years ago, it's like night and day. To say that the BSC has gotten worse shows a total lack of knowledge. Randy's first team, that won a championship, would not even finish in the top 6 of the conference today. Yes, the BSC added some weak programs, but the conference is stronger as a whole. The NCAA landscape has changed dramatically over that time frame, and before, to cause some real scheduling problems for mid majors.

We all want to see more wins against instate rivals, other mid majors, and in the NCAA championships. That certainly is the next step that needs to be taken. Firing people and starting over, like some uninformed posters would like to do, would be the stupidest thing ever, IMO.

Olds, you seriously need to take your meds. This is near the top of the list when is comes to garbage comments. Please, check your med count for the day before posting. Which planet/hole have you been on? The conference is so garbage right now. I dare say the worst it has ever been. Do you even have "knowledge" about the conference? In honesty, the Big Sky is just one baby step ahead of DII schools. The gyms the conference has, the RPI's, attendance, etc. etc. The only saving grace is Weber State. To say the conference is getting better, shows me you really don't follow the stats and numbers that closely.

So I will go ahead and show you...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/groupId/5 :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

There are currently 32 DI conferences, and the one we affiliate with is ranked #29.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/conference/rpi/2016-17

Pretty sure I want to puke.... But this is the current ranking.

Year - Final Conference Rank
06/07 - 24th - Rahe's first season
07/08 - 23rd
08/09 - 24th
09/10 - 18th (The one season the BSC cracked into the teens, and A.J. did his thing to Rahe)
10/11 - 25th
11/12 - 26th
12/13 - 28th
13/14 - 25th
14/15 - 27th
15/16 - 27th
16/17 - 29th (current season)

According to CBSSports, from the 1994/1995 season through the 2005/2006 season the conference had a final average RPI ranking of 18.8. At the end of the 1998/1999 and 2000/2001 seasons the conference finished at 13th!! The messing up this trend was when we began adding teams like CS-Northridge, Northern Colorado, SUU, and UND (so glad to see them leave).

So Olds, please show us, the posters who are "uniformed," exactly how the conference has gotten better or stronger? The average up to this point is a 25th ranked conference ( during the Rahe era). However, since the 09/10 season, the average is 26.7th. That olds, is what we call not improving. Not a single poster on here has ever bashed Rahe for not winning conference games. He has gotten nearly 90% of his overall/total wins against the bottom 1/5th ranked teams in DI, or basically against the worst teams in America. Look you can sift through other threads, as I have stated before, Rahe will continue to win "leauge' games and titles, but thats where the peaking stops. Rahe is a terrible OOC coach, just awful. He has figured out job security by scheduling pasties at home, and banking on having several sub 300 rpi teams in the conference. It is very simple to comprehend, and to see the BSC is terrible. It is like others have stated, " big fish in a small pond." This time of year folks forget about the early season games we lost/lose, and get caught up in the hype of beating awful teams in the conference. I however, do not forget the first half of the schedule.

Olds, in short: The conference has not gotten better, but it's gotten drastically worse. Also, 90% of Rahe's wins come against inferior teams that come from a bottom dweller conference (BSC). I have used facts to try and educate. Some will agree with this, and many will not. The reality is that this conference is sinking, and I do not see it coming back up to a 13 rpi rank anytime soon.

The troll has come out of his cave

Right... someone presents facts, and that now makes them irrelevant.. Typical liberal response of you Wildcat..

Give me a reason to not think you are, you are the one that started the fire Rahe topic last year, and you have posted nothing on this forum this year except if it pertains to Rahe and it's all negative. You are the one who said Rahe is a bad coach and couldn't win ooc road games or games vs instate teams, then when they win in Logan you are conveniently absent, no word or acknowledgment of the win. But look, here we are today with you crawling out of your cave to post again....on a topic about Rahe.

You claim to be a WSUfan, but real fans acknowledge and praise teams for their accomplishments, not belittle them like you have constantly done. You can hate Rahe, I don't care but by belittling the accomplishments of the team you are belittling the players, the kids who are working their butts off for this University.

So in my eyes you are noting but an anti Rahe WSUtroll and are indeed irrelevant in my eyes.

Go back to your cave troll

 

[SWeberCat02]

Big Sky D1 OOC Records

2006-07: 32-67 (.323) Overall; 20-10 (.667) Home; 8-51 (.136) Road; 4-6 (.400) Neutral
2016-17: 32-88 (.267) Overall; 18-13 (.581) Home; 9-60 (.130) Road; 5-15 (.250) Neutral

The 2006-07 season was the first season in the conference for UNC and only their 3rd season as D1. They went 1-9 OOC and also lost to a non-D1 school. Take out UNC and the conference went 31-58 (.348) Overall.

Guess I live on the planet called reality.

 

[Longtimcat]

It's okay Wildcat everyone commenting on this topic came here giving Rahe some cudos for what he has done (even baller) I guess that was too much for WSU fan to handle.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

:rofl: Same ol' things about every three or so weeks during basketball season. The glass 9/10 full; the glass 9/10 empty folks who can't come together and see the glass sitting at 50%. Enjoy yourselves.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Randy is a good coach. We are fortunate to have him and, personally, I really like him and his players. His kids are good guys, who graduate, and keep their noses clean. They represent the university very well.

To me, the best way to define his success is based on what is expected of him. To win the conference. He had done that regularly and in those years he hasn't won, he's been at the top of the league standings. OOC games aren't necessarily important to what is expected of him. Does the administration want him to win those games? Yes! But, are those games going to affect his job? No. Randy is expected to beat our league foes. He does that and by doing that he fulfills what is expected of him.

As for fans post. I think it was well written and full of facts (nothing "alternative" factual in there lol). He is as much a Wildcat as any of us and to attack him for writing what is true is hypocritical. The Sky is a joke of a conference, according to RPI. Personally, I think RPI and how it's measured, is a joke. Nonetheless, it is what measures NCAA Basketball standards and as such the tool with have to live with. And based off of that tool, the Sky has definitely fallen. Would Randy's teams compete in the late 90s, early 2000's? Who knows. I think yes.

On another note...Weber has had coaches in the past who did have the most in the conference who weren't able to succeed. Randy, is able to. That's the difference.

 

[oldrunner]

To say that the BSC got weaker because a few other conferences got stronger at a faster rate is not logical/factual. Those are relationships, not absolute measures of strength. Like I said before, the BSC added some weak programs and it diluted things a bit. However, the top half has Improved. It's easy to look at SUU and NAU, and say that the whole conference sucks. That is simply not true. I stand by my statement, that the BSC has a higher level of play now than it did when Randy took over. When I look back at the talent level in Randy's first few years, there is no comparison to todays talent and that is true of at least 7 or 8 of other BSC programs as well.

I'm still taking my meds. Maybe I should find out what vitamins Fan is using and start that now.

 

[UtahPirate]

We may play in the worst conference in the state -- PAC12, WCC, Mountain West and lowly Big Sky -- but I'll bet right now none of the other fans in state are enjoying watching their team as much as Cat fans. This team is highly entertaining and proving to be a very tough team that is showing they know how to win. I'm really enjoying this season and I think our offense ball movement right now is a thing of beauty.

WSUfan, come join us as I know you only attend off and on. You're missing out on some very good basketball right now.

 

[Junctioncat]

Genrlemen, thank you for keeping the discussion civil.

I am a glass is 6/8ths full fan, lol. Oour non conference schedule is important, and winning these games at a higher rate is the next step to improving our chanes at a higher ncaa seed, no question.

That being said, winning the conference is very importan. It determines seeding in the Big Sky tournament and NIT eligibility. Winning the conference tournament is important as well since this is the only way we go dancing. We are not getting an at large bid. Coach Rahe does both of these things consistantly. We can control this. We cannot control how good or bad the Big Sky is.

We have a better shot than most of the other Utah schools at getting to the NCAA tournament, and this fan greatly appreciates it!

 

[WILDCAT]

Genrlemen, thank you for keeping the discussion civil.

I am a glass is 6/8ths full fan, lol. Oour non conference schedule is important, and winning these games at a higher rate is the next step to improving our chanes at a higher ncaa seed, no question.

That being said, winning the conference is very importan. It determines seeding in the Big Sky tournament and NIT eligibility. Winning the conference tournament is important as well since this is the only way we go dancing. We are not getting an at large bid. Coach Rahe does both of these things consistantly. We can control this. We cannot control how good or bad the Big Sky is.

We have a better shot than most of the other Utah schools at getting to the NCAA tournament, and this fan greatly appreciates it!

This is how I feel as well.