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RPI Going Forward
- Thread starter WSUfan1
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bviously no bad losses in conference play too. Could WSU achieve a top 50 RPI?
flylikeasparrow
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I can see a good rpi as long as they take care of business. They can't wait to start messing till the end of the season. The team will be young once again but you never know what could happen. I hope the Sky can improve as well cause that can only help the conference rpi.
Home games against BYU, UVU, and Oral Roberts will help. Can't get beat at UTA. They weren't very good this year. I'll say it. I'm missing the bracketbuster! That might have helped and it would have given the Cats another DI OOC and also, one more next preseason. Also, and perhaps most importantly, it could have been a showcase for the Cats, since it was supposed to have been played at the Dee this year.
oldrunner
Active member
The pre season tournament in St Thomas, if we do well, should help the RPI. Quality wins count a lot more than quality losses. Just like lower quality wins don't count for much, but lower quality loss can kill you. That is why the Mutes were taking such a huge chance in playing ISU. Keeping in mind that they had lost to Sac St the year before.
I don't see the BSC improving much next year. Change, yes, but improve???? I think it stays about the same.
We will be even younger, UND loses a lot, UNC likewise, and UM loses Jamar. Teams on the rise are NAU, Sac, EWU, ??? Add in the new comer, Idaho, and a new regular season format, and who really knows.
With all of the new players coming in next year, our team is hard to predict right now. I hope all of the new guys will make us better, but you never know for sure until you've seen them in action for a while.
I don't see the BSC improving much next year. Change, yes, but improve???? I think it stays about the same.
We will be even younger, UND loses a lot, UNC likewise, and UM loses Jamar. Teams on the rise are NAU, Sac, EWU, ??? Add in the new comer, Idaho, and a new regular season format, and who really knows.
With all of the new players coming in next year, our team is hard to predict right now. I hope all of the new guys will make us better, but you never know for sure until you've seen them in action for a while.
Wildcat_Fan
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I feel this team almost played better this year at times without the seniors on the floor. Yes at times they would lose their balance and fall but I feel for the most part we have a solid team next yr. I could see Royce taking Berry's spot and having both a more mature joel and hill on the floor will be a nice 4/5. Thats just players we have, not anyone coming into the program
oldrunner
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I wasn't saying that I thought we wouldn't be good. I feel that we will be, at least, good and great if the new guys can buy in and work hard. I'm hoping for great. Everyone is talking about Joel taking over at the 5 spot. I'm OK with that, but to be great we will need someone to win the center spot and keep Joel at 4. The long term plan was to groom Hill to be a wing player. I say, just do it. there may be some growing pains at first, but just do it and get the pain over with. The other debate is about what to do with the point guard position. We know that Jeremy can do it. Beyond that there are a lot of questions. We have a couple of incoming freshmen that will compete for that job, so let the chips fall where they will.
We will only have two seniors next year and it is not known if either of them will start or be in the rotation.
We will only have two seniors next year and it is not known if either of them will start or be in the rotation.
weberwildcat
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hdqweber said:
The conf will only get weaker next yr adding idaho. I think they were rpi 250? The more teams we add the worse it gets.
Before suu and und joined we were like 18th-23rd. Now we are much lower.
oldrunner
Active member
It isn't just strength of schedule. You have to win more of those games. Everyone has a couple of patsies on their schedule. That doesn't hurt you too much, unless you lose. To improve, we need to beat BYU, Utah State and the likes. Losing to a team like UVU really hurts your RPI. That is why nobody wants to play them at their place. You just might lose and it's a killer for your RPI. That is why the so called power conferences don't want to go on the road at all, as long as they can get away with paying teams to come in for a homer job.
Losing to UVU (RPI 150) hurt you guys a lot less than losing to us (RPI 285). Let's face it, if the Big Sky wants to get teams with better RPIs, they have to start winning some non-conference games. I did a quick check today and the non-conference SOS was pretty good this year -- the Big Sky had six teams play non-conference schedules that were ranked in the top 150. (Weber's was 103). But you gotta WIN some of those games. You get no credit for beating other Big Sky teams if those other teams haven't beaten anybody in non-conference. And you take a real hit in the RPI when you lose to them.
oldrunner said:
Playing 11 out of 12 OOC games at home, like the cravenly Utes did this year, should be a penalty when teams are selected. Most importantly though, what does that say about your program? Most coaches preach the "We want to be our best," garbage and never leave their home stadiums. What better way to test that than going on the road and winning on the road.
Arizona is a great team, and they have some awesome road wins, beating Michigan on the road 72-70 and San Diego State 69-60 (two road games in the OOC). An indicator of a great team. Beating great teams away. They also played two neutral court games this year beating Duke in the second 72-66. Yet, one game that really stands out is their first neutral court game, played against Drexel. The Drexel Dragons of the CAA were 16-14 this season and ended their season last week with a 91-80 loss to Northeastern in the CAA Tournament. On a neutral court, Arizona won 66-62. Drexel followed that loss with two back to back 3OT victories over Alabama and Cleveland State (Drexel's RPI is 131). Also, Arizona should have lost in the Huntsman Center a few weeks ago, and did lose @ Cal, @ ASU, and @ Oregon. Losing to ASU and Oregon are understandable. Rivalry game and in OT and Oregon is a decent program. Losing to Cal makes one scratch their head. Most teams, even great ones like the Arizona Wildcats have their WTF games. What Weber needs to do is figure out is how Drexel stayed close to Arizona, on a Neurtal court, how Utah took the Wildcats to OT, and finally, how was Cal able to beat them? Slow down the game, run a half-court offense, limit TOs and force them into making lots of mistakes by trying to hurry up the game, and finally utilize the best aspect about our team, our inside outside game. We have all the pieces, now it is time to play our best game of the season. Hasn't happened yet, pretty dang close on Saturday night against UND, but the Cats can do better.
Final though, home court was huge in the Sky this year, getting road wins was pretty tough. Weber did the best on the road and that is why they won (granted 5-5 wasn't the best we have seen, but I'll take it along with the Championships). Yet, what really hurt the Cats were bad losses on the road to UVU, CSU, Sac, and ISU. Too many WTF games for the Cats this year. That is why we are a 16. I think the committee made a mistake, this season's team is far better, and talented, than the #15 seeded 07 team. :kisswink:
Bengal visitor said:
I'm happy that the Bengal's RPI is in the 200s. That is progress!! :thumb: Where were they the last few years? Too close to the bottom.
SWWeatherCat
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talhadfoursteals said:
Do you think this season's team is as good as last season's 13 seeded UM team? Me neither, but I think there was very little strength difference between last year's UM and WSU teams. I still think Weber should have been a 15 this year and if they can play as well as they played Saturday night, they will be playing at a 14-15 level. I think UM was over-seeded last season just as Weber is slightly under-seeded this year. It makes me wonder if Cherry was the reason why UM was probably seeded at least one spot to high, if Lillard would have had the same effect? Speaking of Cherry, does anyone know where he landed? Over seas?
SWWeatherCat said:
I think Cherry is in the development league somewhere. EGriz has some information on him. Now that we don't have to face him, I'm all for seeing him develop and get into the NBA. I hope Jamaar gets a chance too. He needs to become a more consistent shooter. He won't be able to bang his way into the post and get cheap buckets like he did in the Sky. He has to become a stronger shooter. As for Seeding...yeah, 15 at the most. Weber didn't have any notable wins and the Conference has a terrible RPI. Also, three bad losses in conference, especially losing to NAU on Senior Night didn't help the Cats. But I feel Weber is a better team than Wofford, American, and a few others, but a 14? That is a bit of a stretch. Maybe...but. :? As for last year, I fully believe the best team in the Sky was playing the longest. UM got the job done and didn't have any WTF games, and got to host, Weber was beaten in one of the greatest games I have ever watched in Missoula. This years team is not better than last years. Last years was as good as the 03 team. This year's is better than the 07 and has the talent to be as good or better than the 03 team. Just hasn't panned out yet.
Webergrad02
Active member
It is kind of mute point to talk about all of the woulda, coulda, shoulda stuff now. I think our seed was decided before Saturdays game. I think regionally it made sense to put us in San Diego against Arizona. I agree that the team did not play like a 16 on Saturday.
The book makers started our line as 14.5 point underdogs on Friday. The line is now at 19.5 meaning that lots of bets are coming in on Arizona. I think we are a very scary 16 seed. I hope we play as loose as we did on Saturday.
The book makers started our line as 14.5 point underdogs on Friday. The line is now at 19.5 meaning that lots of bets are coming in on Arizona. I think we are a very scary 16 seed. I hope we play as loose as we did on Saturday.
Remember what the Selection Comm. chair said: "the body of work from NOV thru MARCH goes into the analysis" on seed determinations. Don't know about Wofford's resume but if Weber St lost on the last 15 seed determination, it is not surprising. From hearing Bovee speak earlier, the 16 seed was still expected Sat. night. :nod:
