Sac to the WAC? Is this a serious thought?

[StungAlum1]

@SDHornet

It looks like you were on egriz asking them why the axe grinding as well? The only thing decent Sac offers the Wac is Bell Acqua. You guys are as delusional as the Cougars down south who think they are headed to the Big 12. It should be pretty obvious to you by now that the Sky doesn't respect the Hornets at all. Northern Colorado has been a much better addition and they have less to work with. Sac's facilities are to the rest of the league, and performance equally as bad. I can count 3 sporting events at WSU the last 2 years I would have rather done anything else besides attend the games, '09 bball WSU 85-45 Sac St., last seasons 49-10 football game against the Hornets, and this years 30 point drubbing of Suck it at the Dee. Excuse us for being a little shocked and mystified at Sac even being mentioned for a move up. If you think the WAC is going to cure Sac St., think again.

Wow, if your intention is to run off any potential posters you are succeeding. How many times have you been to Sac State the last few years? Oh, that's right, none. And if you really want to compare universities we can look at academics and admissions, last I saw a chimp could get into Weber, it has a 99% acceptance rate. Hmmm, maybe thats how you get some of the bball players. I heard part of the application process was the ability to color in the lines. :roll:

Sac St resides in the capitol of CA, a large TV market. It does not equate to a large viewership of Sac St games. Sac St does not seem to have the fan support or money needed to make the move at this point in time. They certainly have potential. Portland St probably has more potential. Montana is there already. Montana's problem is their remote location and smaller market. I don't think the WAC has a lot of good options and may well be loosing Fresno soon.

If Sac St were to pour $40 to $50 mil. into their athletics programs, they might be a better fit in the WAC than USU. At least they have an international airport. It takes planes, trains, automobiles, and donkeys to get to Logan. What USU has is better facilities and 20 times more financial support. Montana has that, as well, and an airport that can be used by major airlines. Portland St is somewhat like Weber, in that they exist in the shadow of larger, more established programs.

It sucks to be the WAC right now.

As far as the budget goes, Sac State already has one of the biggest athletic budgets in the Sky at $15 million. The Sac State AD and President have already come out and said that the additional $5 million to go FBS was no problem and that IF offered an invite, they would accept.

Montana CANT afford the move, they only sponsor 14 sports, the minimum is 16, and they cannot afford, currently, to upgrade their facilities (for non-revenue sports).

Sounds like some BBQU folks are feeling a little left out with regard to being mentioned as potential WAC candidates, that's sad, it really is.

Truth be told, even in Sac State's 3 win seasons we average more fans than Weber in football :lol:

I'll never post on this board again, it's easy to see that irrational and biased.

And beware when posting at SacBuzz, some of us arent as nice as SD and arent afraid to put you in your place. :evil:

 

[WILDCAT]

@SDHornet

It looks like you were on egriz asking them why the axe grinding as well? The only thing decent Sac offers the Wac is Bell Acqua. You guys are as delusional as the Cougars down south who think they are headed to the Big 12. It should be pretty obvious to you by now that the Sky doesn't respect the Hornets at all. Northern Colorado has been a much better addition and they have less to work with. Sac's facilities are to the rest of the league, and performance equally as bad. I can count 3 sporting events at WSU the last 2 years I would have rather done anything else besides attend the games, '09 bball WSU 85-45 Sac St., last seasons 49-10 football game against the Hornets, and this years 30 point drubbing of Suck it at the Dee. Excuse us for being a little shocked and mystified at Sac even being mentioned for a move up. If you think the WAC is going to cure Sac St., think again.

Wow, if your intention is to run off any potential posters you are succeeding. How many times have you been to Sac State the last few years? Oh, that's right, none. And if you really want to compare universities we can look at academics and admissions, last I saw a chimp could get into Weber, it has a 99% acceptance rate. Hmmm, maybe thats how you get some of the bball players. I heard part of the application process was the ability to color in the lines. :roll:

Sac St resides in the capitol of CA, a large TV market. It does not equate to a large viewership of Sac St games. Sac St does not seem to have the fan support or money needed to make the move at this point in time. They certainly have potential. Portland St probably has more potential. Montana is there already. Montana's problem is their remote location and smaller market. I don't think the WAC has a lot of good options and may well be loosing Fresno soon.

If Sac St were to pour $40 to $50 mil. into their athletics programs, they might be a better fit in the WAC than USU. At least they have an international airport. It takes planes, trains, automobiles, and donkeys to get to Logan. What USU has is better facilities and 20 times more financial support. Montana has that, as well, and an airport that can be used by major airlines. Portland St is somewhat like Weber, in that they exist in the shadow of larger, more established programs.

It sucks to be the WAC right now.

As far as the budget goes, Sac State already has one of the biggest athletic budgets in the Sky at $15 million. The Sac State AD and President have already come out and said that the additional $5 million to go FBS was no problem and that IF offered an invite, they would accept.

Montana CANT afford the move, they only sponsor 14 sports, the minimum is 16, and they cannot afford, currently, to upgrade their facilities (for non-revenue sports).

Sounds like some BBQU folks are feeling a little left out with regard to being mentioned as potential WAC candidates, that's sad, it really is.

Truth be told, even in Sac State's 3 win seasons we average more fans than Weber in football :lol:

I'll never post on this board again, it's easy to see that irrational and biased.

And beware when posting at SacBuzz, some of us arent as nice as SD and arent afraid to put you in your place. :evil:

No offense StungAlum, but its not only on other Big Sky forums where your going to find axe grinding on Sac St, Im sure just about all the WAC fans are cringing on thier forums on the thought that the WAC would even consider adding Sac, including my friend who is a Utah State fan (may god have mercy on his soul). Yeah the state of Cali offers tv support and money yadda yadda ya, It might not be about competing, but what other reason is there? If I was a Hornet fan I wouldnt want Sac in the WAC. as if losing seasons in a "weak" Big Sky arent good enough. It has nothing to do with us being jealous, cause believe me Im definetely not jealous of all the spankings your gonna get by all the WAC schools if you move up. Weber is where they belong, Weber just got done being a middle of the pack football team in the Sky, why would I want to go back to that in the WAC? If you think Sac is better off in the WAC, I hope you enjoy your 0-12 seasons every year, cause thats what your going to get.

It has nothing to do with hate, trust me no one here actually hates Sac, (well that I know of) Its just we find it hilarious that instead of wanting to improve from losing Boise to the Mtn. West, the WAC would rather weaken itself by adding Sac or Portland St. If Sac or Portland State Join the WAC, the interest level of the WAC will fall off the radar.

 

[SDHornet]

Catcat no worries. It's all good. I understand the shock as I am sure I'd feel the same way if I wasn't a Sac State fan and didn't understand the situation either. And yes the Nest needs to be addressed.

Weberskeptic, yes I have noticed that a lot of BSC boards have an axe to grind about Sac State and PSU being mentioned as possible WAC members. I'd be jealous too if I were them and my name wasn't being tossed around. And of course egriz is bashing the Sac to the WAC idea. They bash everyone and anything so I am not surprised at that as that is the norm among most of their fan base, I just expected a little more class from other BSC fans, apparently this is not the case. If a move to the WAC was that far from the realm of possibility, the WAC commish would not have dropped our name out there. Is a WAC invite a stretch? Sure. Are we (Sac State fans) claiming that a MWC or an even more laughable Pac 12 invite is possible? Absolutely not. (Believe it or not some people think a MWC or Pac 12 invite for an FCS school could happen.) I'd call us crazy if there are Sac posters clamoring for a MWC of Pac invite, but that just isn't the case.
With respect to your jab at Sac State facilities, with the recent additions to the football stadium, I'm willing to say Sac State's is easily in the top half of the BSC. Hell we have had lights for many years and WSU is barely installing some, what does that say about the WSU facilities? The basketball facilities at Sac State are obviously in need of some serious help.

Wildcat, I think all current WAC members are cringing at the fact that there are virtually NO current FBS schools that view the WAC as a great destination. You know it's bad when Sun Belt members have to think twice about moving to the WAC (in fact North Texas turned down the WAC in 2004(05?)). The fact is if La Tech leaves, the WAC will have to add someone, anyone to stay at the minimum of 8 members and the odds are it's going to be a current FCS school. I do like how you dismiss the TV market though seeing as none of the recent conference realignments have had nothing to do with TV contracts. :roll: And yes I would think many Sac State fans would want to see us move to the WAC. We would be paired up with two other sister schools (SJSU & FSU) as well as an additional regional conference mate with Nevada. All of whom are within driving distance for any conference sport. I would have to think nothing would please the fan base more than to have the opportunity to road trip to a few away games. This is something you WSU folks already get to partake in and I am sure your huge traveling fan case overwhelms the visitor's section on a regular basis.

StungAlum hit on a great point with UM. They sell out every home game, sponsor the minimum number of sports to be at the FCS level and they still have budget problems. This just goes to show that there is not much to be gained from staying at the FCS level. With state budgets being clamped down, a lot of programs will be looking for answers in the near future. I wasn't trying to get into any pissing matches here but if that where some of you folks want to take it than that's too bad. I guess logical reasons as to why a Sac invite to the WAC is possible is beyond comprehension and unappreciated here. Again good luck this season.

 

[WILDCAT]

With respect to your jab at Sac State facilities, with the recent additions to the football stadium, I'm willing to say Sac State's is easily in the top half of the BSC. Hell we have had lights for many years and WSU is barely installing some, what does that say about the WSU facilities? The basketball facilities at Sac State are obviously in need of some serious help.

Uh SD, Stewart Stadium has had lights forever, if you would have taken the time to actually read the topic, you would have noticed that Weber is installing NEW stadium lights.

This picture was taken in 2005, Hey look Stadium lights

And this picture was taken before Ron Mcbride even came to Weber, Yep there are Stadium lights

Not to mention Weber is improving the Dee including retrofitting the jumbotron, and bringing in new baskets, new electronic equipment.

Sacramento isnt the only place upgrades are happening

We recognize the tv coverage the money and all that that Sacramento has to offer, its not that we think an invite to the WAC for Sac isnt impossible, we just think its WACky.

But if you guys do happen to make it to the WAC congrats and good luck.

 

[SWeberCat02]

We must be in the doldrums of summer if all that's happening on this forum is Weber v Sac St smack. I really couldn't care less what Sac St does. Just don't come in here and try to talk up your football and men's basketball programs (the only sports that even matter). You have nothing to stand on. For the most part, you guys have been a joke in both of these sports since you arrived in the Sky. Still, if you went WAC I would cheer you on every time you played the school from up north (Utah St).

 

[ajwildcat]

I personally hope the WAC does take Suckramento St, the Big Sky would be a stronger conference without them dragging down our strength of schedule and so forth. I would really like to see Suck St. gone and then add Southern Utah, at least they have a better football team and good basketball facilities, plus its a natural rival for WSU and an easy road trip for me to go on.
So honestly I hope Suck gets their prayers answered and can join the Wac. It was a mistake from the beginning for the Big Sky to even add the hornets.

 

[talhadfoursteals]

I personally hope the WAC does take Suckramento St, the Big Sky would be a stronger conference without them dragging down our strength of schedule and so forth. I would really like to see Suck St. gone and then add Southern Utah, at least they have a better football team and good basketball facilities, plus its a natural rival for WSU and an easy road trip for me to go on.
So honestly I hope Suck gets their prayers answered and can join the Wac. It was a mistake from the beginning for the Big Sky to even add the hornets.

100% Agreed!! Excellent Post!!

You, sir...deserve a slow clap!

 

[talhadfoursteals]

Just a side not for our SAC posters, WHY the F would anyone want to watch the WAC if Boise State is gone? There isn't another team that can take their place. So, with that being said, who gives a rats A$$ about SAC's media market (which the school wont ever be able to capitalize on). Who will watch if you can't win? If SAC leaves, good riddence. Finally, the Sky can get a team that is better.

Also, the WAC's commissioner isn't the one who invites schools. The only way a school could get an invitation is if all the schools presidents agree on it. I'm not much of a betting man, but I'm pretty sure that Utah State, Idaho, and New Mexico State (not to mention Nevada--I know you all think there is a great rivalry there, but I don't think the Wolf Pack faithful agree with you) will EVER vote for you.

 

[StungAlum1]

Just a side not for our SAC posters, WHY the F would anyone want to watch the WAC if Boise State is gone? There isn't another team that can take their place. So, with that being said, who gives a rats A$$ about SAC's media market (which the school wont ever be able to capitalize on). Who will watch if you can't win? If SAC leaves, good riddence. Finally, the Sky can get a team that is better.

Also, the WAC's commissioner isn't the one who invites schools. The only way a school could get an invitation is if all the schools presidents agree on it. I'm not much of a betting man, but I'm pretty sure that Utah State, Idaho, and New Mexico State (not to mention Nevada--I know you all think there is a great rivalry there, but I don't think the Wolf Pack faithful agree with you) will EVER vote for you.

I know I said I'd never post here again, but the billigerent posting is just too much.

Just an FYI, since coming into this conference Sac State has won the second most combined BSC titles (over 30) right behind NAU in various sports. Now I know most of you are probably just graduates of the automotive technology program there at Weber, but come on, I know you have more common sense than you are displaying on this board. Oh and how crappy Sac State must be to have a top 30 athletic program, I dont remember seeing Weber on that list.

Oh, and here are the NACDA standings:

Rank – School – Total Pts To Date)

Big Sky:
78 Northern Arizona 218.25
127 Sacramento State 116.50
128 Montana 115.00
135 Montana State 106.50
188 Northern Colorado 58.00
213 Portland State (Ore.) 48.88
232 Eastern Washington 25.00
232 Weber State (Utah) 25.00
278 Idaho State 5.00

Other schools of interest:
192 Cal Poly 55.50
193 UC Davis 55.00

WAC Rankings:
57 Boise State 351.00
67 Hawaii 276.00
110 Fresno State 155.00
151 Idaho 88.00
161 Nevada-Reno 82.00
189 New Mexico State 57.50
197 San Jose State (Calif.) 50.50
232 Louisiana Tech 25.00
232 Utah State 25.00

http://www.nacda.com/directorscup/nacda-directorscup-current-scoring.html

And your wrong concerning the votes from three of the WAC school, FSU, SJSU, and UNR are committed to voting for Sac State. No CSU will vote against another , and as far as UNR goes, it makes too much sense with the cost savings related to travel. :idea:

Seriously, you guys are so full of yourselves its not even funny. You think you're a basketball school, however, your team CAN'T make it past the first round of the tourney :lol: At least we arent delusional over on our board, we dont go around saying "we are a volleyball school," what a joke you guys are :lol:

 

[n.ogdencat]

Seriously... You are using the National Association of Collegiate Directors Association Cup (NACDA) rankings as proof as to why SUC State is superior to Weber athletically??

THATS BEYOND PATHETIC CHIEF.

Oh, just so we can understand one another, NOBODY CARES ABOUT WOMENS VOLLEYBALL. But, people do care about basketball.

It's a pretty sad thing when a school takes home a basketball after beating a team on their home floor as proof of the win. Why don't you dust off that ball bud, because thats the only win you'll be experiencing in Ogden for years to come.

Also, it doesn't matter about the schools who would vote for you. You've got to convince those that wont. Its got to be unanimous. I'm not sure if you ever learned that word at your community college but just in case you didn't, let me quickly define it for you. It means EVERYONE.

 

[StungAlum1]

Seriously... You are using the National Association of Collegiate Directors Association Cup (NACDA) rankings as proof as to why SUC State is superior to Weber athletically??

THATS BEYOND PATHETIC CHIEF.

Oh, just so we can understand one another, NOBODY CARES ABOUT WOMENS VOLLEYBALL. But, people do care about basketball.

It's a pretty sad thing when a school takes home a basketball after beating a team on their home floor as proof of the win. Why don't you dust off that ball bud, because thats the only win you'll be experiencing in Ogden for years to come.

Also, it doesn't matter about the schools who would vote for you. You've got to convince those that wont. Its got to be unanimous. I'm not sure if you ever learned that word at your community college but just in case you didn't, let me quickly define it for you. It means EVERYONE.

Unlike Weber, which is an open admissions institution like the University of Phoenix, Sac State has admission riteria that must be met to gain entrance into the university. I'm sorry, but you don't want to start trash talking academics, the two institutions arent comparable.

The volleyball comment was obviously above your head, because you didnt understand what was being said. It was a knock on Weber because Weber THINKS it's a basketball school when in reality it isnt. The only thing Weber has in basketball are conference titles, where are the national titles or the sweet sixteen appearances?!

And enough with the Suc State stuff, I dont refer to Weber as the Little Mormon Initiation Graounds do I? Or how about Polygamy University (it's condoned so dont even try to deny it isnt!!!).

Suck it Polygamy University the so-called "basketball school."

 

[SWeberCat02]

Mormon and polygamy smack? Real mature. Never heard that before. I guess when you've got nothing else, just play the stereotype card. After all, everyone in Utah is Mormon and has multiple wives. Did they teach you that at Sac St? This just shows your intelligence, or lack of. Look, unless you want to talk about men's basketball or football, don't waste our time. This is a men's basketball and football forum. It's not a forum for discussing academics, or any other sport, including all and any women's sports. And the reason for that is that nobody here cares at all about those things. All the talk about conference expansion is about FOOTBALL, and only football. That's because that sport is king in college athletics and brings in most of the money. So unless you can defend your football or men's basketball team, quit wasting our time.

 

[StungAlum1]

Mormon and polygamy smack? Real mature. Never heard that before. I guess when you've got nothing else, just play the stereotype card. After all, everyone in Utah is Mormon and has multiple wives. Did they teach you that at Sac St? This just shows your intelligence, or lack of. Look, unless you want to talk about men's basketball or football, don't waste our time. This is a men's basketball and football forum. It's not a forum for discussing academics, or any other sport, including all and any women's sports. And the reason for that is that nobody here cares at all about those things. All the talk about conference expansion is about FOOTBALL, and only football. That's because that sport is king in college athletics and brings in most of the money. So unless you can defend your football or men's basketball team, quit wasting our time.

1) I didnt start the academic smack talk, I merely responded to it. And again, when you say "Did they teach you that at Sac St?" youre starting the academic smack talk again!

2) This is a football ONLY forum, the basketball forum is separate!!! :shock:

3) If you don't want to be associated with stereotypes you should do something to disprove them.

4) Dont make a play on a schools name and not expect it to be done to you! And yes, Polygamy University does work for Weber as Weber was started as a Mormon university and eventually sold to the state of Utah, you know, back before the Mormon church denounced polygamy! :roll:

 

[weberskipc]

Suck it's football record in the sky over 14 years 52-104, and heading to the WAC, oh please spare us buddy. :lol: It is hard to imagine the WAC replacing BSU with Suc St. :lol: :roll: :roll:

 

[wsucatfan]

I think there has been enough pecker measuring talk here. No new news on any conference movement I am closing this thread. Move on :arrow:

 

[ajwildcat]

Yeah heaven forbid we ACTUALLY have an active thread on this fan board during the summer, but by all means go ahead and block it so nobody will post anything until August

 

[n.ogdencat]

Mormon and polygamy smack? Real mature. Never heard that before. I guess when you've got nothing else, just play the stereotype card. After all, everyone in Utah is Mormon and has multiple wives. Did they teach you that at Sac St? This just shows your intelligence, or lack of. Look, unless you want to talk about men's basketball or football, don't waste our time. This is a men's basketball and football forum. It's not a forum for discussing academics, or any other sport, including all and any women's sports. And the reason for that is that nobody here cares at all about those things. All the talk about conference expansion is about FOOTBALL, and only football. That's because that sport is king in college athletics and brings in most of the money. So unless you can defend your football or men's basketball team, quit wasting our time.

1) I didnt start the academic smack talk, I merely responded to it. And again, when you say "Did they teach you that at Sac St?" youre starting the academic smack talk again!

2) This is a football ONLY forum, the basketball forum is separate!!! :shock:

3) If you don't want to be associated with stereotypes you should do something to disprove them.

4) Dont make a play on a schools name and not expect it to be done to you! And yes, Polygamy University does work for Weber as Weber was started as a Mormon university and eventually sold to the state of Utah, you know, back before the Mormon church denounced polygamy! :roll:

Weber was sold to the state in the early 1930s, well after the church had denounced the practice of polygamy (dont be jealous that we can get women easier than you). Also, when Weber was officially created, 1889, it was after the church had denounced polygamy. Evidently, you know very little about what you claim to know. Weber has one of the lowest LDS populations out of Utah school. Also, its in Ogden. The most diverse city in the state.

Whats with the bias and prejudice? I don't get the anti-mormon bigotry from anyone. Whats your religion so I can mock you? Sounds pretty stupid doesn't it. Wow...you, BUD, are proof that there are some truly ignorant people out there. There are more members of the LDS faith in Northern California than the entire state of Utah. Not only that, but I would wager, that there are a number of sac state donors who are LDS. Actually, one of your biggest is. I'd love for him to see what you think of his religion. Maybe he wouldn't be so enthusiatic to give your Pres. or AD any money. WOW...YOU REALLY ARE AN IDIOT. Stick with the Weber grills comments, even though it doesn't fit either since Weber grills is pronounced WEBBER. Go back to your hole dude. We don't want anymore crazy here.

 

[weberwildcat]

this thread is going no where...

why are we exchanging dis' now? just promise me yall that there wont be any def frets. who was it that mentioned wsubball players being not smart? which big sky bball school has the highest graduation rate since weber hired rahe in 2006?

sac fan, there is no reason to brag that sac has high standards for enrollment when you have 30,000 students. one state school saying its better than another state school isnt exactly brag worthy at least here, they are all th same. i guess in CA you have the upper tier UC schools and the lower tier CSU but we don't have very many colleges in utah.

at the rate wsu is growing we will soon brag too about our minimal acceptance standards. like it or not both schools are designed to be commuter schools so dont assume one day sac will turn into a prestigious private school.

in our state there are no restrictions for admissions until the capacity is reached. weber has room to grow to 30,000+ (because of new davis campus, 5 more buildings to be built) before that would happen so it doenst mean we are the equivalent to a california JC.


as for the polygamy comment...LOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!

 

[weberwildcat]

i am sorry sac state for starting this thread.

 

[talhadfoursteals]

This thread is to funny.