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Sure, Senglin took a few bad shots last night. To me, he has earned the right to take a few of those. To his credit, when the outside shots were not falling, he took his game inside. He got knocked to the floor several times with no foul called. At home, I think he would get some of those fouls. It was interesting officiating last night. I'm not saying that the officiating cost us the game. There were crazy calls on both sides. As has now become the norm, they are quick to call a hand check, but will let an outright mugging go. I can put up with missed calls, but the crew last night were inconsistent.
 
On officiating ... I miss 3 seconds. It was a call that was made that helped teams that were playing tough defense inside. I think the lack of that call helps other teams in their offensive rebounding since you can pack it inside without ever clearing the lane -- which allows defenders to put a body on you when rebounding. I haven't seen it called this year and often wonder if it is even in the rule book because offensive guys are in the lane for so long now-a-days.

Do officials even know what traveling is anymore? And I'm not talking about the extra NBA step (or two) that has wormed its way into college basketball. I'm talking about sliding your pivot foot for yards at a time with no call. Stuteville had a great game, but he could hardly keep his pivot foot close to still. And a couple of times Graves went into the lane, pump-faked and then slide his pivot to get free from the defense to score. A couple of times it looked more like Rec ball than an NCAA officiated game the traveling call was so obvious...
 
Pirate joining the consortium definitely hasn't helped the Big Sky. We are getting the worst refs. The refs we get are obsessed with one or two types of calls, but totally ignore all the rest. It is a shame how bad some of our officials are in the conference this season. You get called for touch and ticky-tac fouls, but can totally slam a defenseless player to the floor on a layup. Pathetic excuse for officiating this season.

Who would have thought that the best officiated games would have been in Provo and Logan?
 
Pirate;

You are right on with your observations. The officials have been instructed to watch for the hand checking and some of the less experienced guys take that to mean 'to the exclusion of everything else'. I can guarantee you that they are not even thinking about anything else. They are so worried about missing a hand check that they can not count to three or watch the players feet. They are so focused in on that one thing, they simply can not see anything else. Part of it is the inexperience, but a lot of it is the instruction and oversight they are getting. My problem with it is when you get to the dance and all of the officials are the more experienced guys. The games are called in a totally different way and teams from the smaller markets are not prepared for that.

Last night there were travelling calls missed on both sides, hard fouls not called on both sides, touch fouls called on both sides and calls made that were later not made. I wish they would just swallow their whistles and only make a call when they clearly see it and it is needed to control the game. They seem to call a game as if they were getting paid by the call. :coffee:
 
I don't think you can blame that loss on the officials. It was Weber's defense, or lack thereof, and rebounding that was to blame.
 
webfan said:
I don't think you can blame that loss on the officials. It was Weber's defense, or lack thereof, and rebounding that was to blame.
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I don't think anybody ever said that about this game. Of course the refs didn't cost us that game. My personal opinion is that the game plan was off base, the rebounding was poor, and we didn't play our normal game.

The game sucked. :coffee:
 
I have got to give Sacramento State credit. Their gameplan was solid. Sacramento:

1). Dribbled the air out of the ball. This frustrated our transition offense.
2) Guarded the three point line. We should have had more points in the paint from our bigs and other guards. I'll give Senglin credit for driving to the basket even though his shot selection from three was poor. None of the other guards would drive and shoot or drive and dish. The guards have to drive when a team guards the three point shot that aggressively.
3) They attacked our bigs on offense. In our guard heavy league, most teams want to run and gun, but Sac got a lot of points in the paint.

Overall, that was frustrating. We are a better team, but they exposed our weaknesses.
 
webfan said:
I don't think you can blame that loss on the officials. It was Weber's defense, or lack thereof, and rebounding that was to blame.
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Here was my first comment about the game: "Give Sac credit they didn't get rattled and stayed with their game plan. We turned it on, and they responded."

The discussion turned to officiating and I made some observations that were both general to what I've seen this season and specific to the game. But I thought Sac played well and earned that win.
 
At one point on the game the announcer mentioned they put up portable bleachers behind the 2nd half visitors basketball stand. In the late 90's WSU used to do this with the frat boys and a few othe students. I thought the BSC made Weber stop but if Sac st can do it why not bring it back!
 
wsucatfan said:
At one point on the game the announcer mentioned they put up portable bleachers behind the 2nd half visitors basketball stand. In the late 90's WSU used to do this with the frat boys and a few othe students.
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It's obviously a double standard. We were also told that our cheer squads could not be near the lane when the other team was taking FTs. However, I noticed that there were cheerleaders right under the basket, while we were shooting, in both the Sac and PSU games. Another double standard. I guess it is due to the BSC offices being close to WSU. We get picked on, while the rest of the BSC just does as they feel.

I'd still rather be us than any of those other poor buggers. :lol:
 
Olds, you are wrong again...Sac puts up portable bleachers only when the game is going to be a sell-out and those bleachers are placed at the end of the court where Sac St. is on offense in the second half...I would assume that you guys were not allowed to place the portable bleachers because you had empty seats all over the Dee, hence, no need for portables other than to harass the opposition....our cheer teams are NOT directly under the basket ever.....they are off to each side of the baskets as I have seen at every BSC arena...please don't invent alternative realities...
 
sacstateman said:
Olds, you are wrong again...Sac puts up portable bleachers only when the game is going to be a sell-out and those bleachers are placed at the end of the court where Sac St. is on offense in the second half...I would assume that you guys were not allowed to place the portable bleachers because you had empty seats all over the Dee, hence, no need for portables other than to harass the opposition....our cheer teams are NOT directly under the basket ever.....they are off to each side of the baskets as I have seen at every BSC arena...please don't invent alternative realities...
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First, it wasn't a sellout either night last week. 908 Thursday and 975 on Saturday. The extra seats were not needed. Second, the camera clearly showed cheer squad members between the official and the support padding, under the basket. It was not just once either. I'm not making it up. When that happened a few years back, in Ogden, the refs took the time to move them out of the direct line of sight for the shooter. That did not happen, that I could see, in our games last week. I don't know if it is a hard and fast rule or just up to the discretion of the game officials. I just thought it was interesting. We still pull some similar antics, but keep them off to the side and out of the shooters line of sight. I don't really think it has much effect on the shooters. If it does, then they probably should work on it. :coffee:
 
The band was just a few feet away from our bench in second half basket. Wrong, the bleachers were about 5 feet from our bench right behind OUR second half basket, not Sac's. It must have been beyond annoying during timeouts. I really hope we make this change to dish out the annoyingness.
 
I think we all know the real reason Weber lost this game. Clearly it was because there was too much oxygen in the air and the Wildcats were suffering from acute oxygen poisoning...
 
pawildcat said:
I think we all know the real reason Weber lost this game. Clearly it was because there was too much oxygen in the air and the Wildcats were suffering from acute oxygen poisoning...
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That's it. The altitude got to us. :lol: :lol:
 
oldrunner said:
pawildcat said:
I think we all know the real reason Weber lost this game. Clearly it was because there was too much oxygen in the air and the Wildcats were suffering from acute oxygen poisoning...
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That's it. The altitude got to us. :lol: :lol:
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Or lack there of? :lol:
 
pawildcat said:
I think we all know the real reason Weber lost this game. Clearly it was because there was too much oxygen in the air and the Wildcats were suffering from acute oxygen poisoning...
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
Well Olds..I watched the replay as I was on a cruise when the game was played...you were correct about the location of the temporary bleachers..they were put there for "Greek Night" and the frats got those seats reserved for them, if you listen to our announcer he even stated that those temporaries are usually set up on the other end...the band, when they are at games are always located in that last section of seats...and as far as cheerleaders between the padded stanchions and the court, that did not happen even once, let alone multiple times as you state...I watched the whole replay and if you can tell me at what time on the clock that happened I will watch it again and apologize...if not, I think you may owe us one...
 
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