Sept 26 at Idaho State?

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Even if the virus allows us to play in Pocatello, apparently the State might not? https://www.postregister.com/news/g...le_d60c20b1-ca84-5ee5-a246-c284cb1025d2.html

 

[BuckeyeHornetFan]

Even if the virus allows us to play in Pocatello, apparently the State might not? https://www.postregister.com/news/g...le_d60c20b1-ca84-5ee5-a246-c284cb1025d2.html

And it's all being caused by the agenda of the extreme left.

While I understand this is a sports forum and not a political one, considering that this specific political issue has a direct effect on Hornets football and sports competition in general, I think it's reasonable and fair to be able to comment on it. But I'll refrain from doing so without the ok of our resident moderator.

I do have a lot to say on the matter. Nothing inflammatory, of course, but any type disagreement about what CA is doing, why they're doing it, and whether it is fair and just could be construed as inflammatory to others. Same logic applies to the topic of transgender and gender dysphoria, which these 2 Idaho bills are all about.

Unfortunately that's the world we now live in. Apparently a large faction of people believe that there is something written into the US constitution that affords them right to live without being offended. I've looked. Many times. And it isn't in there. But, alas, I'll hold back my thoughts until receiving permission to comment further.

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

Even if the virus allows us to play in Pocatello, apparently the State might not? https://www.postregister.com/news/g...le_d60c20b1-ca84-5ee5-a246-c284cb1025d2.html

And it's all being caused by the agenda of the extreme left.

While I understand this is a sports forum and not a political one, considering that this specific political issue has a direct effect on Hornets football and sports competition in general, I think it's reasonable and fair to be able to comment on it. But I'll refrain from doing so without the ok of our resident moderator.

I do have a lot to say on the matter. Nothing inflammatory, of course, but any type disagreement about what CA is doing, why they're doing it, and whether it is fair and just could be construed as inflammatory to others. Same logic applies to the topic of transgender and gender dysphoria, which these 2 Idaho bills are all about.

Unfortunately that's the world we now live in. Apparently a large faction of people believe that there is something written into the US constitution that affords them right to live without being offended. I've looked. Many times. And it isn't in there. But, alas, I'll hold back my thoughts until receiving permission to comment further.

Go for it! If it triggers anyone, they can fock off without KY.
Kalifornia is the most focked up region in the world. What happened?

If this keeps going this direction, Sac State will be a gladly forgotten memory for me. I will never, ever leave anything to this SJW school in my estate.

What really pisses me off is Orr and Nelson are becoming SJW's instead of running a damn school. If somebody is here illegally, they are here illegally and deserve nothing from what I have paid in taxes. If you run from the cops and resist arrest and point a gun at the cop while committing a felony, you should be shot. I say shoot more of the criminals, black, white, latino, whatever.

Law and Order must reign, running the government based on your feelings is BS.

Realistically, just dump the program, roll it back into the PE Department and give free educations to every organic freak who can breathe and wants to spend their life studying womens studies and LGBT theories.

Why dont white lives matter? Or latino lives? Or asian lives? This Black Lives Matter thing is bullshit and it is appalling Grant Napear was canned because he said all lives matter! Yet Orr and Nelson are out their pandering to the black community like we are at fault for something. Vast majority of athletes are black, what about white, latino, asian, indian equalization?

Utter BS.

 

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Hopefully something gets worked out, that's a game I was thinking of traveling to. Besides watching a Hornets win (hopefully!) I was thinking of making a weekend out of it and traveling the 30 miles south afterwards to Lava Hot Springs. A day or so of soaking in the pools would be fantastic!

 

[SoCalSacHornetFan]

The radical LEFT I believe will pay a punishing price in the November Elections.
We only hear the SQUEAKY Libs constantly. The Silent Majority I feel will make changes.
Too much nonsense Seattle Chop? Whatever!

Move the GAME to SAC we share gate revenue with ISU so they can still play.

 

[BuckeyeHornetFan]

Even if the virus allows us to play in Pocatello, apparently the State might not? https://www.postregister.com/news/g...le_d60c20b1-ca84-5ee5-a246-c284cb1025d2.html

And it's all being caused by the agenda of the extreme left.

While I understand this is a sports forum and not a political one, considering that this specific political issue has a direct effect on Hornets football and sports competition in general, I think it's reasonable and fair to be able to comment on it. But I'll refrain from doing so without the ok of our resident moderator.

I do have a lot to say on the matter. Nothing inflammatory, of course, but any type disagreement about what CA is doing, why they're doing it, and whether it is fair and just could be construed as inflammatory to others. Same logic applies to the topic of transgender and gender dysphoria, which these 2 Idaho bills are all about.

Unfortunately that's the world we now live in. Apparently a large faction of people believe that there is something written into the US constitution that affords them right to live without being offended. I've looked. Many times. And it isn't in there. But, alas, I'll hold back my thoughts until receiving permission to comment further.

Go for it! If it triggers anyone, they can fock off without KY.

Thank you. I just wanted to be sure first. I did contemplate just posting it with the idea that it would be removed if deemed inappropriate, but, then figured, why not ask for permission first?

I'm used to most sports forums censoring anything bordering on the political, hence my trepidation.

Anyway, without further adieu, here's what I had intended to post last night.......

I fully disagree with CA's attorney general take on the matter. But that's a secondary point. IMO the main point is that CA is overstepping by restricting state-funded travel to other States in order to pressure those States to conform to their own ideology.

Isn't that really just punishing the student-athletes attending CA State schools for laws they had no part in creating or legalizing?

What's next, restrict travel to Texas, Virginia, Oklahoma and Florida for actively using the death penalty? SMH.

I won't deep dive into the entire article, but would like to comment on this quote from California Attorney General Xavier Becerra:

“The state of Idaho has taken drastic steps to undermine the rights of the transgender community, preventing people from playing sports in school or having documentation that reflects their identity. Let’s not beat around the bush: these laws are plain and simple discrimination. That’s why Idaho joins the list of AB 1887 discriminating states.”

I get that transgender dysphoria is a hot topic issue. But at least one of the bills in question contains externalities that affect naturally born females.

In Connecticut, there's actually an ongoing Title IX complaint on the topic arguing that female athletes’ rights are being violated by allowing transgenders to compete.
https://www.concordmonitor.com/Bill-banning-transgender-women-from-female-sports-attracts-heated-debate-31989499

Don't their rights count too? Can't it be argued that they are being discriminated against as well? The State of CA seems to want to create a hierarchy.
Perhaps other States should boycott CA for arbitrarily deciding whose rights matter more than others?

The second bill, which bans transgender people from amending an Idaho birth certificate to match their gender identity, doesn't contain the same type of externalities, if any, so I don't have the same concerns about it. The only comment I have is that all citizens of Idaho aren't legally able to change their date of birth to match an age they more identify with, or their race if they don't have some type of family tree proof, so I don't see the justification for allowing gender changes. Seems rather arbitrary.

I mean, how cool would it have been 30+ years ago when some of us were teenagers to just be able to say "hey, I feel 21. That's the age I identify with. It matches my perceived level of maturity. So I'd like to amend my birth certificate to reflect it so I can then vote and buy alcohol".

Hell, we should all take advantage of this opportunity in this leftist State and make a push for amendments to age. I'm closing in on 50 but feel like I'm 25. I'd like to be forever young! Or better yet, why can't I identify older so I can start collecting my social security & 401K right now? Will CA go for that too? :thumb:

In all seriousness, let me just say that I sympathize with those that deal with transgender dysphoria. If they want to alter their appearance to appear as another gender, cool. If they want to change their name, cool. I even have no problem referring to any transgender person that I'm friendly with by the name they prefer.

However, there is an inherent advantage in naturally born males competing as a females. I think most recognize that fact, which is why several States have adopted laws or are trying to adopt laws to prevent it.

IMO it's unbecoming of CA or any State to try to force their ideology and laws upon others. More importantly, it's wrong of them to ignore trampling the rights of others in the pursuit of being progressive.

 

[BuckeyeHornetFan]

Kalifornia is the most focked up region in the world. What happened?

If this keeps going this direction, Sac State will be a gladly forgotten memory for me. I will never, ever leave anything to this SJW school in my estate.

What really pisses me off is Orr and Nelson are becoming SJW's instead of running a d@mn school. If somebody is here illegally, they are here illegally and deserve nothing from what I have paid in taxes. If you run from the cops and resist arrest and point a gun at the cop while committing a felony, you should be shot. I say shoot more of the criminals, black, white, latino, whatever.

Law and Order must reign, running the government based on your feelings is BS.

Realistically, just dump the program, roll it back into the PE Department and give free educations to every organic freak who can breathe and wants to spend their life studying womens studies and LGBT theories.

Why dont white lives matter? Or latino lives? Or asian lives? This Black Lives Matter thing is bullshit and it is appalling Grant Napear was canned because he said all lives matter! Yet Orr and Nelson are out their pandering to the black community like we are at fault for something. Vast majority of athletes are black, what about white, latino, asian, indian equalization?

Utter BS.

Unfortunately, it's not just CA. This leftist movement is rapidly growing across the nation. BUT, since we live in CA and this article is about CA and CA is the most visible leftist state, it deserves the focus of our ire!

I don't want to touch upon the racial injustice thing too much other than to say, like the gender debate, I don't believe things get fixed by doing a 180 and going the other direction. We can't erase history. We can only learn from it. And try to do better.

But the extreme left seems to believe they can erase history by removing reminders of it. As if a statue of someone only represents the bad things they may have done in their life vs. whatever good they did. Not only that, it's unfair to judge people by standards that didn't exist or were radically different in their day.

I mean, should I not have pictures of my grandparents and great grandparents on the walls of my home because they lived during a time of segregation or oppression and because their view of it at that time is different than mine is today?

I'm not a historian, but I'm gonna guess the likes of Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and Franklin held slaves at some point. Through revisionist history, we now realize that was a terrible thing. But those men, along with others like them, also accomplished a lot of great things. When I see their faces on money or a statue likeness of them, I don't see it as glorifying the poor decisions or unbecoming acts they may have been involved with.

When we honor America by rising for the National Anthem and stare at the flag, we're not doing it in celebration of everything imperfect with our country. We're doing it to recognize and appreciate everything good that our country represents. Our freedom. Our safety. And those that sacrifice to defend that freedom and safety.

I find it disturbingly sad that the extreme left only seems to want to see the bad in everything. If I tell someone "Merry Christmas", I'm not dissing someone else's religion or beliefs, I'm celebrating mine. If I make a point about what I believe to be the proper stage for protesting social injustice, it doesn't mean I'm against the movement.

But that's where we are right now in society. If you don't buy into a movement or cause 100% no questions asked, you're considered against it. And speaking hate.

I have no issue with somebody peacefully protecting against social injustice. And for police reform. Like Drew Brees and many others, I just don't believe kneeling during the National Anthem is the proper time or stage for it. But if you come out and say that, you are publicly shamed on social media and painted with privilege and as part of the greater problem. But it's just not that simple.

My argument against the players kneeling is that they are doing so on their employers dime and time, largely without consent, and during an event that has nothing to do with what they are protesting against. Just like the BLM slogan, this form of protest is easily misinterpreted. If these players were gathering in front of a police station and kneeling, most people would get it. It would be on their own dime and time, and having direct correlation to what they are protesting against.

I mean, just because I might have a cause I believe is super important and worthwhile, and that I'm extremely passionate about, doesn't then mean I'm completely justified using the resources of the company I'm employed by to print up protest fliers. Without my employer's expressed permission, I'm fairly certain I'd be fired for misuse of company resources.

But the extreme left believes they are completely justified in doing whatever they feel is necessary in order to get their point across or, worse yet, to legislate it. Even if doing so tramples the rights of others. They don't care. And in doing what they're doing, they are creating a hierarchy -- with white men at the very bottom.

As I stated before, you can't fix things by flipping the script. You can't value equal rights by trampling the rights of others. Most of all, you can't legislate people to be nice and never offend anyone. Opposing views are always going to offend. Free speech means hearing things you may not like or agree with.

I'll jump off my soapbox right here........

 

[GreenArmySwarm]

So much for not bringing politics into sports huh? :lol: I guess people really needed a platform to vent, and used this page of like 20 active Hornets sports fans to do it

I guess venting in the “wrong places” only applies when certain people are uncomfortable.

 

[BuckeyeHornetFan]

So much for not bringing politics into sports huh? :lol: I guess people really needed a platform to vent, and used this page of like 20 active Hornets sports fans to do it

I guess venting in the “wrong places” only applies when certain people are uncomfortable.

So much for reading, huh? If you did, you’d know that someone asked for permission before doing so. And also clearly explained why certain politics are relevant to this thread. Apparently you chose to overlook or ignore both.

If you have a problem with either of those facts, blame the likes of CA and Connecticut for bringing politics into sports rather than those discussing it.

FWIW, I have plenty of alternative platforms to “vent” or, more applicably, have a civil discussion. All I did was ask to comment in a thread topic I didn’t start, and did so while remaining on topic.

Not sure if you’ve noticed or not, but leftist gender issues have crept into sports. A couple relevant articles are even linked in this very thread. Perhaps you should check them out before assuming this thread is the “wrong place”. Not only that, the content and tone of your reply seems to indicate you’re an active member of the bothered crowd too. Just saying....

Now, do you have a relevant thought to offer regarding the topic at hand? A dissenting opinion? If so, you could, I don’t know, share it in this thread. Or you can just ignore it. But trolling and complaining about the thread surely isn’t a productive way to contribute.

As you were.

 

[GreenArmySwarm]

So much for not bringing politics into sports huh? :lol: I guess people really needed a platform to vent, and used this page of like 20 active Hornets sports fans to do it

I guess venting in the “wrong places” only applies when certain people are uncomfortable.

So much for reading, huh? If you did, you’d know that someone asked for permission before doing so. And also clearly explained why certain politics are relevant to this thread. Apparently you chose to overlook or ignore both.

If you have a problem with either of those facts, blame the likes of CA and Connecticut for bringing politics into sports rather than those discussing it.

FWIW, I have plenty of alternative platforms to “vent” or, more applicably, have a civil discussion. All I did was ask to comment in a thread topic I didn’t start, and did so while remaining on topic.

Not sure if you’ve noticed or not, but leftist gender issues have crept into sports. A couple relevant articles are even linked in this very thread. Perhaps you should check them out before assuming this thread is the “wrong place”. Not only that, the content and tone of your reply seems to indicate you’re an active member of the bothered crowd too. Just saying....

Now, do you have a relevant thought to offer regarding the topic at hand? A dissenting opinion? If so, you could, I don’t know, share it in this thread. Or you can just ignore it. But trolling and complaining about the thread surely isn’t a productive way to contribute.

As you were.

:rofl: hno: