So called "parents"

[PSUVikings2]

I have to agree with the other parent in this forum, we have a son who also is being recruited by PSU, drove a long way Saturday to take a look. Was not impressed at all.

What PSU lacks is team leadership, committment to the game of footall itself and TEAM.

We were disgusted by the complete lack of respect for the flag, the veterans, their own teammates and the game of football itself.

IMO, scholarship means you are being paid to play, that means you have a committment to show up for work and be ready to work.

PSU showed no pride, no repect, no integrity. We were there early and saw the team arrive, they looked like they could have cared less. No acknowlegement of the fans or show of appreciation, I mean where is the pride?

Maybe we are naive about college football, we have visited two other colleges, never saw anything like what we saw at PSU.

To tell you the truth PSU needs to go back to High School and try to capture some of the spirit of football.

It starts at the top, set the standard, bring in the right people, pull the scholarship and ship them out if they can't do there job, save PSU football.

As a parent whose kid is being recruited by the Vikings, I was very dissapointed at some things I saw at the Montana St game. I really don't know if I would want my son associated with things going on there. First of all, it was Veterans day weekend and you had multiple players on the sidelines showing zero respect for our country and the men and women who have served it. Specifcally # 21 and # 19 who not only were talking during the entire National anthem, but also did not remove their hats. A kid who I can only assume was a player, but was in street clothes was also talking during the Anthem. Secondly there were several others who were in my opinion, an embarrasment to the program, #32 whose pants were down below his behind, and a couple others in street clothes that were doing the same. I know that some will say that is just a fashion thing, but I say " there is no place for that, when you are representing a university". Lastly I was dissapointed at just about everything going on, on the sidelines. You had players some in jerseys, some in street clothes, who were standing on the benches behind the team throwing a football up in the air over and over, not paying attention to what was going on during the game. There were also far too many non-players on the sidelines who were mixing amongst the players, and also being a distraction. All I can say is that Coach Glanville better get a handle on the teams behavior or they will, continue to be a 2 win per season team. P.S. It wasn't just me who had reservations about these things, my son did too.

These posts were made by so called parents of recruits. what do you all think? Are they dead on? Or is this 1 person making trouble.

 

[martymoose]

Hard to tell, you never know with message boards, or anything else on the Internet for that matter.

There is some merit to what is being mentioned. The PSU sideline wasn't really into the game. They looked like a 2-8 team. :-(

Were there recruits invited to the sidelines for the last home game?

 

[macvik]

I would have to agree with the parent(s). I my self am a Veteran and witnessed half of the crowd not stand up and clap for WW2 Veterans before the game. Our team has absolutely no heart. The parent(s) are right on the money about our teams and our schools attitude. "This is the NFL" as Glanville has stated, is more like a glorified group of punk kids running around the field in all black. We will never have a winning program so long as we are ok with having a bad attitude about every thing. We have 25,000 current students and a student section that highschool teams would laugh at. Our school pride sucks!

 

[WiViking]

I agree that in general, there is a lack of school pride. However, I'm not going to go as far as to say the bad attitude means they will never be a winning program. I have no problem with letting non-impact players out of their scholarships, and this supposed disrespect will no doubt get back to somebody in the football program. I think that the team captains and assistant coaches are to blame as much as Glanville. I'd look for a couple of defensive coaches to get fired during the off season, specifically Alundis Brice who coaches the ghastly secondary.

As to not standing for veterans, I think that may be a nation-wide issue. Because of the unpopular war, I think a lot of people especially younger ones, assume that everybody who serves supports the war they're serving in. They extend this dislike or apathy towards former soldiers too, without thinking about the fact that WWII meant something, and that not all military is there because they like to fight.

 

[PortlandStater]

I would have to agree with the parent(s). I my self am a Veteran and witnessed half of the crowd not stand up and clap for WW2 Veterans before the game. Our team has absolutely no heart. The parent(s) are right on the money about our teams and our schools attitude. "This is the NFL" as Glanville has stated, is more like a glorified group of punk kids running around the field in all black. We will never have a winning program so long as we are ok with having a bad attitude about every thing. We have 25,000 current students and a student section that highschool teams would laugh at. Our school pride sucks!

One of the things I appreciate about PSU is that people here prefer thinking for themselves instead of mooing with the crowd. I agree that some more respect would be a good thing in Portland in general; but pride and respect have to be earned. Being proud of a bunch of guys in uniforms without them achieving something, is pointless - true for both kinds of uniforms.

 

[A1fan]

Even at 2-8 we should expect our players to give it their all, but to expect total game attention on the sidelines seems a little harsh. Postings like these on a public forum when recruiting is just starting to heat up has the distinct smell of fish.

 

[CaseyOrourke]

Actually I am not suprised about any of this. When I attended back in the 90's Portland as a whole hole and PSU in particular held a bias against the military. And now given the attitudes on campuses that are historically liberal today it might be even less

 

[CaseyOrourke]

Actually I am not suprised about any of this. When I attended back in the 90's Portland as a whole hole and PSU in particular held a bias against the military. And now given the attitudes on campuses that are historically liberal today it might be even less

 

[macvik]

One of the things I appreciate about PSU is that people here prefer thinking for themselves instead of mooing with the crowd. I agree that some more respect would be a good thing in Portland in general; but pride and respect have to be earned. Being proud of a bunch of guys in uniforms without them achieving something, is pointless - true for both kinds of uniforms.

I really don't see how people at PSU are thinking for themselves. Towing the party line is not thinking for your self. I don't see how veterans in the military are the same as football players. Risking your life for your country is not the same thing as a game. I also think all are veterans have achieved something. Portlandstater, I know that you probably never served your country. For some like you to much such a statement is mooing with the anti-war crowd. You can be anti-war and still support troops. Though all in uniform know that the liberal line of support the troop is half hearted. We know that people who say we support the troops in that context are just being politically correct. In conclusion I want everyone that reads this to know for the rest of their days one thing. Tonight when you and your family go to bed peacefully that act is a result of young men and women waiting to do violence on your behalf. This is not a result of people who play a game (football). This is a result of people who have made real sacrifice in their lives. It really does not matter to me if people respect me for my service, because most of the time people are very ignorant about what the military is beyond what they are told by the media.

 

[WiViking]

If you want to make political statements, please do it somewhere else. If you don't believe liberal people support the troops, that is your opinion, but it does not belong in a football forum. It belongs in the general discussion forum.

 

[frinq]

Good point, WiViking.

 

[Pounder]

Wait a minute... are we talking about failure of recognition involving a PA system that only llamas can hear?

 

[A1fan]

Wait a minute... are we talking about failure of recognition involving a PA system that only llamas can hear?

A PA system, that's what that noise is! /users/31/07/37/smiles/700923.gif

 

[PortlandStater]

I really don't see how people at PSU are thinking for themselves. Towing the party line is not thinking for your self. I don't see how veterans in the military are the same as football players. Risking your life for your country is not the same thing as a game. I also think all are veterans have achieved something. Portlandstater, I know that you probably never served your country. For some like you to much such a statement is mooing with the anti-war crowd. You can be anti-war and still support troops. Though all in uniform know that the liberal line of support the troop is half hearted. We know that people who say we support the troops in that context are just being politically correct. In conclusion I want everyone that reads this to know for the rest of their days one thing. Tonight when you and your family go to bed peacefully that act is a result of young men and women waiting to do violence on your behalf. This is not a result of people who play a game (football). This is a result of people who have made real sacrifice in their lives. It really does not matter to me if people respect me for my service, because most of the time people are very ignorant about what the military is beyond what they are told by the media.

I agree with Wiviking that this is hardly the right platform to discuss politics, but let me just say one quick thing. I do not mean in any way to be disrespectful towards the US Armed Forces, nor towards their veterans. However, I think judgmental statements like yours above are neither fair nor appropriate. Like most educated Germans, I know a bit about things military; believe me, you learn a thing or two from history when your country has fought the world as Team Evil twice in a man's lifetime.

One of the most important things to learn from 20th century history is that, if one loves his or her country, one has to question any governmental or military action at any time. This is what an admirably large number of people in Portland and other places in the U.S. are doing right now; and assuming that their current lack of support of anything military is based on informed decisions, then it is not a general rejection of the troops but an expression of the people's political maturity.

Anyways...all I wanted to say above was that respect and enthusiasm have to be earned and re-earned Of course, a football team is something very different than an army, and for a school team, blind support is a lovely thing. But those teams who have such support have won a couple of games in the past...^^

And by the way, I did serve my country and I did so in some nasty places. I also like to believe that I did so quite successfully. But if someone waved a little paper flag in my face for that, I would tell them to go home and read a good book instead.

Again no offense meant. I know there are countless hard working men and women out there who deserve our respect, and I am sure you did your part as well, macvik.