Something WSU has never done...

[wsucatfan]

UVU makes 18 3-pointers, upsets Cougars 114-101 today in the Marriott Center. http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4638971-155/byu-basketball-uvu-makes-18-3-pointers
I'm sure that will just tick off BYU and some how they'll have the game of their lives against the Cat's. :roll:

 

[AlumniWSU]

:shock: And if for real, UVU (4-1) stands a good chance of beating the Wildcats in Ogden...there went Rahe's Wildcats best chance (& probably only real chance) of a OOC in-state win...then watch the hell storm of criticism hit the fan forum!!

PS. Not that it already has on another thread...my thoughts: we've had 10 yrs of Randy Rahe, we know well his pluses & minuses, they are firmly set & will not change for the next 8 yrs. That is acceptable to the AD and probably the WSU administration. Jerry Bovee was afraid of losing Rahe to another program (which now days is questionable what with his OOC resume), so he gave him a long contract extension. Personally, I do not think Rahe is a bad or lazy coach, he's modest also. I understand WSUfan, baller, etc. fully and know that they are avid fans who want nothing but the best for Weber State. Amen to that!!

As a avid fan, my excitement (even interest) has declined in Wildcat basketball knowing the present reality. It's not going to change drastically anytime soon, so I will root for & enjoy Rahe's teams' successes, but will unhappily resign myself to the expectations of mediocrity & few in-state OOC wins! Seems OK with the folks in charge. :wall:

 

[oldrunner]

I fully understand some fan's frustrations over a couple of the losses so far this season. Of course everyone likes winning over losing. The players hate to lose, the coaches, the fans, the administration, everybody hates it. It happens. It's athletics. Neither winning or losing, in sports, is the end all. If you enjoy athletic competition, you have seen it all and learned to enjoy the process.

I have heard these same arguments about our coaching staff for several years now and, not only do I think they are off base, I think it is just a rehash of the same uninformed opinions. New things are added every year. It is certainly not the same from year to year. Our staff is trying new things all the time. Some of it works, with the personnel we have, and some does not. Our teams don't always play great, but they always play hard, they always play together, and they always support each other. The thing that does not change about our coaching staff is their integrity, their loyalty to the team, and their commitment to doing the work that brings us a product we can be proud of. They do that in the face of all of your criticism.

 

[WILDCAT]

On this board, Rahe gets criticized more for losing a D-1 game than he gets praised when he wins a Big Sky title

I remember many fans on this board wanted him fired after he lost to UVU, but those same fans completely disappeared after he won the Big Sky.

I call them the "bad news is the only news" fans, and it's complete :willybs:

 

[Back2WSU]

On this board, Rahe gets criticized more for losing a D-1 game than he gets praised when he wins a Big Sky title

I remember many fans on this board wanted him fired after he lost to UVU, but those same fans completely disappeared after he won the Big Sky.

I call them the "bad news is the only news" fans, and it's complete :willybs:

I'm glad I'm finally not the only one to feel this way. Felt like I was the only one who thought this last season and the season before

 

[n.ogdencat]

That is garbage Wildcat and you know it. I do appreciate your candor and positive approach. I'm a fan of what you represent on this board, and really appreciate the vast majority of your posts. You helps us step back from the ledge a lot. Yet, to say you are more of a fan because you are positive and always supportive is absolute horse shit. Polishing a turd doesn't change what it is...it is still a turd. I'm fine with people speaking their opinion on this board and I welcome it. Everyone on this board is a fan of this school. It is just fine to expect more from those individuals making a lot of $$$. Our AD should be held accountable for his decisions and hires. He is the captain of the ship. If the ship is off course then he needs to do what needs to be done to get us back on the right path. Same thing needs to be said of Rahe. He makes 400K a year. One of the top Mid-Major jobs in the nation. He has the facilities, the resources, the alumni connections, fan base, and history, yet, losses games he shouldn't. Fans have every right to be frustrated.

Next, are you happy that UVU is starting to eclipse Weber State? UVU has just done something NO Weber State team, even our best, has ever done. I'm pretty happy for Mark Pope and the BYU rejects who went back to their former school and put a major beat down on Rose and Co. This was supposed to be the greatest team to ever take the court at the Marriott (named after a Weber alum) and they just go beat by the bastard child of Utah. No matter, Pope is building a hell of a program and UVU is building a hell of a school and WEBER just sits on its hands. Yes, I do expect more from our school, leaders, AD, and our basketball coach. We have a storied tradition! We have some amazing wins over great programs and in turn, Weber is one of the winningest programs in NCAA DI history. What do we have to show for it? An AD that is fine with giving away tickets and misrepresenting revenue generation, fans support, ticket sales, and most importantly actual fan attendance. I do expect more from Randy and especially from Jerry. We need leaders and it is absolutely frustrating watching us not do what is hard to get to where we belong.

 

[Webergrad02]

Tal I totally agree with you. Weber State needs leadership. We need leadership in the AD's office, we need leadership from Randy and the coaching staff, and we need leadership from our senior players. There is a huge difference in how coach conducted himself in 07 - 2010 and the last few years. I don't remember all of the excuses back then. I remember him harping on discipline and blue collar things. When a player like Franklin Session or Gelaun wouldn't share the ball in the offense they were benched. We have seen Senglin and John play selfishly and not getting benched. He had a hunger and a drive that I don't see now.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Next, are you happy that UVU is starting to eclipse Weber State? UVU has just done something NO Weber State team, even our best, has ever done. I'm pretty happy for Mark Pope and the BYU rejects who went back to their former school and put a major beat down on Rose and Co. This was supposed to be the greatest team to ever take the court at the Marriott (named after a Weber alum) and they just go beat by the bastard child of Utah. No matter, Pope is building a hell of a program and UVU is building a hell of a school and WEBER just sits on its hands.

Was going to wait until after the Weber/UVU game to come to this conclusion, but after UVU goes into the Marriott and pulls the huge upset, combined with their win over Weber last season, it's hard to argue that UVU hasn't become the better program. And they've done it all during the Bovee and Rahe era. Weber's become complacent while UVU hires Pope and is striving to improve. It's also looking like the WAC is on it's way past the Big Sky, making the Sky the worst conference in the entire West. But we are the best program in one of the worst conferences in the nation, so I guess we have that. :roll:

 

[Longtimecat]

That is garbage Wildcat and you know it. I do appreciate your candor and positive approach. I'm a fan of what you represent on this board, and really appreciate the vast majority of your posts. You helps us step back from the ledge a lot. Yet, to say you are more of a fan because you are positive and always supportive is absolute horse shit. Polishing a turd doesn't change what it is...it is still a turd. I'm fine with people speaking their opinion on this board and I welcome it. Everyone on this board is a fan of this school. It is just fine to expect more from those individuals making a lot of $$$. Our AD should be held accountable for his decisions and hires. He is the captain of the ship. If the ship is off course then he needs to do what needs to be done to get us back on the right path. Same thing needs to be said of Rahe. He makes 400K a year. One of the top Mid-Major jobs in the nation. He has the facilities, the resources, the alumni connections, fan base, and history, yet, losses games he shouldn't. Fans have every right to be frustrated.

Next, are you happy that UVU is starting to eclipse Weber State? UVU has just done something NO Weber State team, even our best, has ever done. I'm pretty happy for Mark Pope and the BYU rejects who went back to their former school and put a major beat down on Rose and Co. This was supposed to be the greatest team to ever take the court at the Marriott (named after a Weber alum) and they just go beat by the bastard child of Utah. No matter, Pope is building a hell of a program and UVU is building a hell of a school and WEBER just sits on its hands. Yes, I do expect more from our school, leaders, AD, and our basketball coach. We have a storied tradition! We have some amazing wins over great programs and in turn, Weber is one of the winningest programs in NCAA DI history. What do we have to show for it? An AD that is fine with giving away tickets and misrepresenting revenue generation, fans support, ticket sales, and most importantly actual fan attendance. I do expect more from Randy and especially from Jerry. We need leaders and it is absolutely frustrating watching us not do what is hard to get to where we belong.

Yet he was hired to come win big sky titles for us and we're all turning on him like a pack of wolves and besides if I made 400K a year I wouldn't give any back. I'd be happy.

 

[WILDCAT]

That is garbage Wildcat and you know it. I do appreciate your candor and positive approach. I'm a fan of what you represent on this board, and really appreciate the vast majority of your posts. You helps us step back from the ledge a lot. Yet, to say you are more of a fan because you are positive and always supportive is absolute horse shit. Polishing a turd doesn't change what it is...it is still a turd. I'm fine with people speaking their opinion on this board and I welcome it. Everyone on this board is a fan of this school. It is just fine to expect more from those individuals making a lot of $$$. Our AD should be held accountable for his decisions and hires. He is the captain of the ship. If the ship is off course then he needs to do what needs to be done to get us back on the right path. Same thing needs to be said of Rahe. He makes 400K a year. One of the top Mid-Major jobs in the nation. He has the facilities, the resources, the alumni connections, fan base, and history, yet, losses games he shouldn't. Fans have every right to be frustrated.

Next, are you happy that UVU is starting to eclipse Weber State? UVU has just done something NO Weber State team, even our best, has ever done. I'm pretty happy for Mark Pope and the BYU rejects who went back to their former school and put a major beat down on Rose and Co. This was supposed to be the greatest team to ever take the court at the Marriott (named after a Weber alum) and they just go beat by the bastard child of Utah. No matter, Pope is building a hell of a program and UVU is building a hell of a school and WEBER just sits on its hands. Yes, I do expect more from our school, leaders, AD, and our basketball coach. We have a storied tradition! We have some amazing wins over great programs and in turn, Weber is one of the winningest programs in NCAA DI history. What do we have to show for it? An AD that is fine with giving away tickets and misrepresenting revenue generation, fans support, ticket sales, and most importantly actual fan attendance. I do expect more from Randy and especially from Jerry. We need leaders and it is absolutely frustrating watching us not do what is hard to get to where we belong.

If I believed what I said was garbage I never would have said it to begin with Tal. Go to any post of a game whether this year or last where Weber won a D-1 game and see how many congratulate the team on the win. Then go to any post about a game vs A D-1 team we did not beat and compare the two. You will find (if you look hard enough) that there are fans on this forum that only post after a loss.

The "bad news is the only news" fans.

It is simply a trend I have noticed and I don't care if people agree with me or not, but seeing as I'm not the only one voicing this opinion it must be to some extent true.

I don't care if people do or do not like Rahe or the schedules but for god sakes I don't need to read about it every time I come on here. Seriously complaining about playing a piddly at home the same weekend others in the conference were on the road playing D-1 opponents was reaching for something to complain about. Especially since Weber has been away from home 5 straight games and all against decent to good D-1 programs. And the ones who complain about our home games with Denver and UVU...WTF? Now we are whining about our D-1 H&H's? You cant complain about the lack of D-1 games on our home schedule and then complain about the ones that are on our home schedule. It's hypocrisy at it's finest.

Again complain all you guys want about our situation. But don't get all butt hurt when I call you out on it.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

That is garbage Wildcat and you know it. I do appreciate your candor and positive approach. I'm a fan of what you represent on this board, and really appreciate the vast majority of your posts. You helps us step back from the ledge a lot. Yet, to say you are more of a fan because you are positive and always supportive is absolute horse shit. Polishing a turd doesn't change what it is...it is still a turd. I'm fine with people speaking their opinion on this board and I welcome it. Everyone on this board is a fan of this school. It is just fine to expect more from those individuals making a lot of $$$. Our AD should be held accountable for his decisions and hires. He is the captain of the ship. If the ship is off course then he needs to do what needs to be done to get us back on the right path. Same thing needs to be said of Rahe. He makes 400K a year. One of the top Mid-Major jobs in the nation. He has the facilities, the resources, the alumni connections, fan base, and history, yet, losses games he shouldn't. Fans have every right to be frustrated.

Next, are you happy that UVU is starting to eclipse Weber State? UVU has just done something NO Weber State team, even our best, has ever done. I'm pretty happy for Mark Pope and the BYU rejects who went back to their former school and put a major beat down on Rose and Co. This was supposed to be the greatest team to ever take the court at the Marriott (named after a Weber alum) and they just go beat by the bastard child of Utah. No matter, Pope is building a hell of a program and UVU is building a hell of a school and WEBER just sits on its hands. Yes, I do expect more from our school, leaders, AD, and our basketball coach. We have a storied tradition! We have some amazing wins over great programs and in turn, Weber is one of the winningest programs in NCAA DI history. What do we have to show for it? An AD that is fine with giving away tickets and misrepresenting revenue generation, fans support, ticket sales, and most importantly actual fan attendance. I do expect more from Randy and especially from Jerry. We need leaders and it is absolutely frustrating watching us not do what is hard to get to where we belong.

:clap: :agree:

Same thing needs to be said of Rahe. ... yet, losses games he shouldn't. Fans have every right to be frustrated.

My biggest frustration isn't that games are lost that shouldn't be, it's the total lack of competitiveness in Rahe's comments and demeanor. Maybe it's just a personality trait and I assume it's something it's not but Rahe comes across to me, with the excuses and all, as uncaring about most losses but especially OOC & in-state. The attitude portrayed is one of Weber shouldn't be expected to compete and steal some in-state or quality OOC wins, these games are only preparation for BSC play. I'd rather see a coach with some fire and a little pissed off when he loses games he shouldn't have or when his team's in-state status continues to slide to the bottom. I'd love to hear him address the reasons why they missed on an opportunity and reassurance that corrections will be made. But, if his employer doesn't want that, it really doesn't matter what I want.

As far as the positive/negative, real/fake fan arguments go, why is that the debate? Can't the ultra positive just rebut negative posts with why it's not as bad as the doomsdayers make it out to be instead of stating who is or is not a true fan? I can't imagine why non-fan would waste time posting crap that didn't reflect actual frustrations of their school.

 

[Webergrad02]

Considering that we have one D1 win this year that was super late on a holiday weekend with a busy next day, your sample size for this year is pretty flawed. The Iona game didn't get alot of response either. The Buffalo game was earlier and then people had Sunday to respond. It is the close games where we play the last 7 or so minutes trying not to lose that draw the most criticism.

Positive threads from last year
http://www.bigskyfans.com/wildcats/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5169&hilit=Drake
http://www.bigskyfans.com/wildcats/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5170&p=49047&hilit=Murray#p49047
http://www.bigskyfans.com/wildcats/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5168&p=48996&hilit=Central#p48996
I will post more later as I have time. I hope your not wearing your snow boots because it might be hard to put them in your mouth!

 

[AlumniWSU]

Longtimecat, you are contradicting yourself, "we're all turning on him like a pack of wolves"...are you speaking for yourself, Wildcat, Oldrunner, Back2WSU, etc...?? Appears to me that you are trying to represent the posters (& AVID FANS) on this forum like me who aren't satisfied with just winning the BSC only, who aren't entirely happy & proud that Rahe's Wildcats don't win some OOC games that they reasonably should, that his teams have a dismal in-state OOC record for the past 10 yrs., etc., - and making us out to be a bunch of lowly cry-babies. You're saying that we are wolves, fake fans, fair-weather fans only, that we don't celebrate any wins ?? hno:

Criticism (yes,some of it may seem overboard to me too), is a part of these forums, like it or not. Posters can be all positive & join together singing praises & chest-beating, that's fine, but posters who point out some discontent & have complaints, desires for more, are every bit as avid, active fans as you or anyone else!! One thing I've noticed on this forum (basketball) is that sometimes the Purple Kool-Aid drinkers, those satisfied & proud with the status quo, those who dis posters as off base with any dissatisfaction ...need to be brought down from their euphoric perches and cooled off with a reality check!

Naysayers? Fine with me & no apologies given! Don't have to read our negative posts, don't be thin-skinned when you are called out as well, bottom line, WE ARE ALL WILDCAT FANS !! :twocents:

 

[Longtimecat]

Longtimecat, you are contradicting yourself, "we're all turning on him like a pack of wolves"...are you speaking for yourself, Wildcat, Oldrunner, Back2WSU, etc...?? Appears to me that you are trying to represent the posters (& AVID FANS) on this forum like me who aren't satisfied with just winning the BSC only, who aren't entirely happy & proud that Rahe's Wildcats don't win some OOC games that they reasonably should, that his teams have a dismal in-state OOC record for the past 10 yrs., etc., - and making us out to be a bunch of lowly cry-babies. You're saying that we are wolves, fake fans, fair-weather fans only, that we don't celebrate any wins ?? hno:

Criticism (yes,some of it may seem overboard to me too), is a part of these forums, like it or not. Posters can be all positive & join together singing praises & chest-beating, that's fine, but posters who point out some discontent & have complaints, desires for more, are every bit as avid, active fans as you or anyone else!! One thing I've noticed on this forum (basketball) is that sometimes the Purple Kool-Aid drinkers, those satisfied & proud with the status quo, those who dis posters as off base with any dissatisfaction ...need to be brought down from their euphoric perches and cooled off with a reality check!

Naysayers? Fine with me & no apologies given! Don't have to read our negative posts, don't be thin-skinned when you are called out as well, bottom line, WE ARE ALL WILDCAT FANS !! :twocents:

Really AlumniWSU you really took that that way, we all know who I meant as wolves.And as for drinking the purple Kool aid I will be proud to say yes I do. Things are not always perfect in sports and we all know it.The players aren't perfect the coach is not perfect but with some the bad out ways the good. You see I'm an optimist I'm optimistic everytime I read about the new recruits and the potential of these kids.And I know in Rahe's hands these kids are gonna turn out fine.I wonder if you all remember Walt Tyler, he played for Larry Farmer had so much potential but his potential could not be tapped by Farmer.It's easy to point out all the negatives.If your gonna say that it's ok for them to post the negatives then I reseve the right to counter that.Yes good recruits and big sky titles outweigh their negatives.This guy wins big sky titles,recruits and develops good kids and some are calling for his job and his money yes I question their loyalty and motives.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Longtime, I'm pretty sure, at least from my point of view, the money question brings up the aspect of accountability. Rahe is making double what any other Big Sky Coach is making. He just got an 8 year extension, unheard of in college sports and gets bonuses for major accomplishments like winning a title. If you get a bonus for something, why can't you be penalized for something else?

Now...to be honest, I don't feel that any of the losses this season are deserving of a penalty, but, when a coach is earning double what everyone else is making, then there is added responsibility for growing the brand, winning games, and building the program. It is that simple. He wants his players to get better, well, he himself needs to get better. He needs to change and grow too. He does the same things over and over. What is the definition of insanity?? Doing the same things over and over again, hoping for change. That is also a clear definition of Randy Rahe.

I love coach and I'm happy he is here. I really don't want to see him go anywhere, especially with the recruiting class we have coming in next year. I know that in conference we will be the Cats meow every year with Rahe, but the Sky is bad.

 

[Longtimecat]

Longtime, I'm pretty sure, at least from my point of view, the money question brings up the aspect of accountability. Rahe is making double what any other Big Sky Coach is making. He just got an 8 year extension, unheard of in college sports and gets bonuses for major accomplishments like winning a title. If you get a bonus for something, why can't you be penalized for something else?

Now...to be honest, I don't feel that any of the losses this season are deserving of a penalty, but, when a coach is earning double what everyone else is making, then there is added responsibility for growing the brand, winning games, and building the program. It is that simple. He wants his players to get better, well, he himself needs to get better. He needs to change and grow too. He does the same things over and over. What is the definition of insanity?? Doing the same things over and over again, hoping for change.

Then Tal why don't you guys get a petition together get a bunch of people who feel the same way as you to sign it and see if you can force Rahe out or get some of his money back which in fact will force him out. Then you can get who you really want in there to replace him. Someone cheaper,or better or both. Talking about it is one thing action is another.I've come on here and said my position on the subject and you guys have said yours. I want him to stay you guys want him to go.I'm satisfied your not. Enough said.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Longtime, I'm pretty sure, at least from my point of view, the money question brings up the aspect of accountability. Rahe is making double what any other Big Sky Coach is making. He just got an 8 year extension, unheard of in college sports and gets bonuses for major accomplishments like winning a title. If you get a bonus for something, why can't you be penalized for something else?

Now...to be honest, I don't feel that any of the losses this season are deserving of a penalty, but, when a coach is earning double what everyone else is making, then there is added responsibility for growing the brand, winning games, and building the program. It is that simple. He wants his players to get better, well, he himself needs to get better. He needs to change and grow too. He does the same things over and over. What is the definition of insanity?? Doing the same things over and over again, hoping for change.

Then Tal why don't you guys get a petition together get a bunch of people who feel the same way as you to sign it and see if you can force Rahe out or get some of his money back which in fact will force him out. Then you can get who you really want in there to replace him. Someone cheaper,or better or both. Talking about it is one thing action is another.I've come on here and said my position on the subject and you guys have said yours. I want him to stay you guys want him to go.I'm satisfied your not. Enough said.

So, Longtime, first, you really need to take another reading comprehension course, because I wasn't advocating pushing Rahe out, nor was I saying that he is unfit to be a coach. I think Rahe is a good coach and he has proven that. I'm advocating that he take a little more personal responsibility over his program and be willing to change.

He is a good coach, that means he can become a great coach. Have you even watched basketball at Weber over the past decade? There are certain trends that Coach has done over and over and over and over and over and over again. They sometimes work and they sometimes don't. If you were doing something at a 50% level of success, wouldn't you want to improve? I sure as hell would. These are consistent trends that I would hope someone making that much money at a PUBLIC institution would recognize and want to correct. Maybe he is surrounded by the wrong assistants, maybe it is a work thing or he just isn't comfortable with change. Who knows. I do know his system will, in most year, win 20 games against Big Sky Teams. Which is fine and if you want to be #JustWeber or #JustEnough then so be it. That is fine, you have that right, but I love my school, community and have a lot of pride in what we accomplish at Weber State. I expect more from someone making 4 times as much as the regular professor who is going up and beyond what is being ask of him or her. If they are doing it, so should Rahe.

You make it sound like in your career it is okay to do just enough. You are just fine with collecting a pay check and not really showing any sort of accountability, development or growth. I sure hope you aren't a physician responsible for peoples lives, since you think it is fine to be right only 50% of the time. I'm sorry...I guess we should all be just like you and happily go along in life just being somewhat okay at what we do.

 

[Longtimecat]

Longtime, I'm pretty sure, at least from my point of view, the money question brings up the aspect of accountability. Rahe is making double what any other Big Sky Coach is making. He just got an 8 year extension, unheard of in college sports and gets bonuses for major accomplishments like winning a title. If you get a bonus for something, why can't you be penalized for something else?

Now...to be honest, I don't feel that any of the losses this season are deserving of a penalty, but, when a coach is earning double what everyone else is making, then there is added responsibility for growing the brand, winning games, and building the program. It is that simple. He wants his players to get better, well, he himself needs to get better. He needs to change and grow too. He does the same things over and over. What is the definition of insanity?? Doing the same things over and over again, hoping for change.

Then Tal why don't you guys get a petition together get a bunch of people who feel the same way as you to sign it and see if you can force Rahe out or get some of his money back which in fact will force him out. Then you can get who you really want in there to replace him. Someone cheaper,or better or both. Talking about it is one thing action is another.I've come on here and said my position on the subject and you guys have said yours. I want him to stay you guys want him to go.I'm satisfied your not. Enough said.

So, Longtime, first, you really need to take another reading comprehension course, because I wasn't advocating pushing Rahe out, nor was I saying that he is unfit to be a coach. I think Rahe is a good coach and he has proven that. I'm advocating that he take a little more personal responsibility over his program and be willing to change.

He is a good coach, that means he can become a great coach. Have you even watched basketball at Weber over the past decade? There are certain trends that Coach has done over and over and over and over and over and over again. They sometimes work and they sometimes don't. If you were doing something at a 50% level of success, wouldn't you want to improve? I sure as hell would. These are consistent trends that I would hope someone making that much money at a PUBLIC institution would recognize and want to correct. Maybe he is surrounded by the wrong assistants, maybe it is a work thing or he just isn't comfortable with change. Who knows. I do know his system will, in most year, win 20 games against Big Sky Teams. Which is fine and if you want to be #JustWeber or #JustEnough then so be it. That is fine, you have that right, but I love my school, community and have a lot of pride in what we accomplish at Weber State. I expect more from someone making 4 times as much as the regular professor who is going up and beyond what is being ask of him or her. If they are doing it, so should Rahe.

You make it sound like in your career it is okay to do just enough. You are just fine with collecting a pay check and not really showing any sort of accountability, development or growth. I sure hope you aren't a physician responsible for peoples lives, since you think it is fine to be right only 50% of the time. I'm sorry...I guess we should all be just like you and happily go along in life just being somewhat okay at what we do.

Your the one who in one post says he needs to be penalized and in the next post you say you love coach Rahe. I am happy with what he has done since cravens. He is a great recruiter and a hell of a developer of players does he have flaws of course. I've stated my position on the subject. If you think he's making too much money do something about it others think he should be fired. There are two sides of this fence I've chose my side.

 

[oldrunner]

Don't make me stop this car!

 

[PURPLEFORLIFE]

LOL! This is too funny. What an idiotic thread. We all know how much of aggrandizing, know-it-all, holier than thou member that Tal is! LongtimeCat don't worry about Tal. He just writes really long replies and bores us practically to death with either his lectures or tantrums. On occasion he does contribute something of importance. Usually banal inspired drivel though! Better than Sir Velo (the poster formerly known as Catcat) though. What happened to Sir Velo? Has he given up on Weber State Sports? Heard he finally learned how to ride a bike. Guess that takes up all of his time.