Spring Ball/Quad-a-Thon

[BigBearFan76]

First off Dink, good guess on who you think I am, but you are wrong.. :lol:

Well first I know a lot more than you think and its kind of funny to see you hide behind a screen and attack what I do or do not know..

Lets start where my first problem comes into play with your workout program? Well there is a lot I have problems with by lets start here.. Where are the rest intervals?
Rest intervals are huge to any successful lifting program and can be very beneficial to any athlete or lifter..

Why do we want to use them? Because they will maximize the force of the athlete and maximize the muscle gain by giving the body time to replenish the ATP and Glycogen that gives the muscle energy, that's something we want right? For most programs they use different type of lifts or programs at any given time from Dynamic lifting, power or heavy lifting, to hypertrophy type lifting.

Rest intervals can easily range from 30 seconds to 5 minutes depending on what you are doing.. It all depends on ratios.. For example for endurance athletes or anyone trying to maximize there most powerful strength for a longer period of time you want to use a work to rest ratio of 1:1 which essentially means you want to rest for the same amount of time it took to do the actual lift, the optimal time for this is generally 30 to 60 seconds.

This type of lifting increases lactate levels in the muscle which can be good for the overall endurance of the muscle because it causes the body to learn to buffer the accumulating lactic acid and therefor improves the overall performance and longevity of the energy in the muscle.

Additionally, muscular hypertrophy is maximized by using the 1:1 ratio while training at a high volume and high weight load using repetitions from 8 to 12 each set

As for tempos,

Why do we want to use them? Because they help strengthen connective tissues, develop intermediate muscle fibers, and increase stability and control among other things.

Lets go into detail on a 4 point tempo squat say... 6-0-1-0
The 6 will stand for the eccentric motion of the muscle in which the muscle is elongating
The first 0 represents the bottom or 90 degree angle of the squat ( at this point dink you have your athletes hold for 6 seconds)
the third number is the concentric motion of the lift or shortening of the muscle
the last number is the pause at the top between reps

In this case you have multiple muscle actions on the down and up phase of the lift going down you have an eccentric action of your quads where the hamstrings become concentric and the opposite on the way up.

Also to add it is better to let the hips and pelvic girdle essentially roll beneath the body to reduce stress essentially you go past 90 degrees at this point in the squat.

typically if you were to look around most training facilities and trainers believe in tempo training but its a matter of weight and the belief of the 4 point tempo system (exampled above).. As for your athletes, I know from experience you push them to do pretty heavy weights on these tempos and have them hold at the bottom.. There is nothing more going on at the paused eccentric position other than a elongated muscle with stress being put on joints and the lower back.

I have a question for you, Since you have come in why have there been more knee injuries and back problems throughout the team? As well as shoulder injuries? To me there is a correlation between the holding of the muscle in an eccentric position and the stress put on joints, ligaments, and tendons because of this eccentric hold...

Now there are plenty of benefits to using tempos - slower tempos will help get athletes under control and lifting right, while higher rate tempos will help with explosiveness of muscles... Varying the tempos will help a ton with activation of different muscles, different areas of the body as well as certain chemicals in the body, varying tempos also helps activate protein synthesis to help build and strengthen muscle..

After all it all comes back to wanting to maximize muscular hypertrophy, increase muscle force output, and strength of athletes... I know you believe in your weight program but many do not and most of them workout in your weight room every morning...

Also I have one last thing, Is there a method to the madness of trying to fit an entire full body workout into one day? Why dont we maximize the potential of a week long system and focus days on upper and lower where you can focus more directly on certain muscle groups of the body and get more results..

Just a thought..

hmm guess I don't know anything.. Right Dinky? hno:

 

[Beardown]

First off Dink, good guess on who you think I am, but you are wrong.. :lol:

Well first I don't think you have a clue what tempos are, or even what a strength training program is.. I know a lot more than you think and its kind of funny to see you hide behind a screen and attack what I do or do not know..

Lets start where my first problem comes into play with your workout program? Well there is a lot I have problems with by lets start here.. Where are the rest intervals?
Rest intervals are huge to any successful lifting program and can be very beneficial to any athlete or lifter..

Why do we want to use them? Because they will maximize the force of the athlete and maximize the muscle gain by giving the body time to replenish the ATP and Glycogen that gives the muscle energy, that's something we want right? For most programs they use different type of lifts or programs at any given time from Dynamic lifting, power or heavy lifting, to hypertrophy type lifting.

Rest intervals can easily range from 30 seconds to 5 minutes depending on what you are doing.. It all depends on ratios.. For example for endurance athletes or anyone trying to maximize there most powerful strength for a longer period of time you want to use a work to rest ratio of 1:1 which essentially means you want to rest for the same amount of time it took to do the actual lift, the optimal time for this is generally 30 to 60 seconds.

This type of lifting increases lactate levels in the muscle which can be good for the overall endurance of the muscle because it causes the body to learn to buffer the accumulating lactic acid and therefor improves the overall performance and longevity of the energy in the muscle.

Additionally, muscular hypertrophy is maximized by using the 1:1 ratio while training at a high volume and high weight load using repetitions from 8 to 12 each set

As for tempos,

Why do we want to use them? Because they help strengthen connective tissues, develop intermediate muscle fibers, and increase stability and control among other things.

Lets go into detail on a 4 point tempo squat say... 6-0-1-0
The 6 will stand for the eccentric motion of the muscle in which the muscle is elongating
The first 0 represents the bottom or 90 degree angle of the squat ( at this point dink you have your athletes hold for 6 seconds)
the third number is the concentric motion of the lift or shortening of the muscle
the last number is the pause at the top between reps

In this case you have multiple muscle actions on the down and up phase of the lift going down you have an eccentric action of your quads where the hamstrings become concentric and the opposite on the way up.

Also to add it is better to let the hips and pelvic girdle essentially roll beneath the body to reduce stress essentially you go past 90 degrees at this point in the squat.

typically if you were to look around most training facilities and trainers believe in tempo training but its a matter of weight and the belief of the 4 point tempo system (exampled above).. As for your athletes, I know from experience you push them to do pretty heavy weights on these tempos and have them hold at the bottom.. There is nothing more going on at the paused eccentric position other than a elongated muscle with stress being put on joints and the lower back.

I have a question for you, Since you have come in why have there been more knee injuries and back problems throughout the team? As well as shoulder injuries? To me there is a correlation between the holding of the muscle in an eccentric position and the stress put on joints, ligaments, and tendons because of this eccentric hold...

Now there are plenty of benefits to using tempos - slower tempos will help get athletes under control and lifting right, while higher rate tempos will help with explosiveness of muscles... Varying the tempos will help a ton with activation of different muscles, different areas of the body as well as certain chemicals in the body, varying tempos also helps activate protein synthesis to help build and strengthen muscle..

After all it all comes back to wanting to maximize muscular hypertrophy, increase muscle force output, and strength of athletes... I know you believe in your weight program but many do not and most of them workout in your weight room every morning...

Also I have one last thing, Is there a method to the madness of trying to fit an entire full body workout into one day? Why dont we maximize the potential of a week long system and focus days on upper and lower where you can focus more directly on certain muscle groups of the body and get more results..

Just a thought..

hmm guess I don't know anything.. Right Dinky? hno:

And the funny thing is you are just as much of the problem as are the rest of the coaches. :notworthy:

I agree with Dinks. Why hide who you are? You're coming on here and personally attacking the coaches, and then hide behind a screen name. Why? Just like Sean's dad says, seems pretty cheap if you ask me. You're no longer part of the program. Have some integrity!

 

[Bearfan15]

It seems that most of the posts on this board do only one thing - personally attach others. I know in a program that has a history of losing, fans can become this way. However, everyone that participates in this behavior becomes part of the problem instead of the solution. Part of the problem is that as humans we generally do not like to be told that we are doing something the wrong way. Regardless of who the person is giving the critisism, if they have valid points, they should be considered. One of the he hardest parts for change to occur is for those in charge to evaluate the criticism and change if it is necessary. Dinks may very well run a very good program, but I am sure it is not perfect. If bearfan76 has some valid points then it takes courage on the part of Dinks to admit it and change the parts of his program that are flawed. He must really ask himself if there is some truth behind the increase in injuries because this is a serious implication. But whatever decision he makes, hopefully it will come after careful study and scrutiny of his methods. If he finds that he can make improvements, he must be man enough to fix it. It does not mean that he is doing a bad job, but needs to be able to adapt and make his program even better. Safety should be the number one concern in a weight lifting program so hopefully Dinks and the program will evaluate that and make changes if necessary. Failure to act or make changes if the inury issue is true, would imply that the program is going in the wrong direction. On the other hand, posters such as bearfan76, who may have valid points, are often not taken seriously because the way they portray themselves - as egotistical know-it-alls who tear any body down given a chance. Another example is his post under the topic "signees" - that the whole recruiting class is horrible. What kind of statement is that? There is no validity to that and the only end to statements like that is more negativity and tearing down of the program. If you are all truly interested in building the program and the boys that are in it, you should be supporting the team in anyway you can. Whether you agree with the coaching staff or not, it is their job and not yours. You are only making it harder for them to succeed. Negativity spreads like wild fire and you will not build a great program until you can be supportive. Many of you demand that Collins goes out and perhaps for valid reasons but until then, he is in charge so help him build the program up, not tear it down. If you truly support the football program, then support it - go to the games, cheer for all players, contribute positively, try to spread enthusiasm to others. If you refuse because you do not like the staff, then you are only hurting the boys, who with all their heart, want to be successful. Of course, only mature people can do this even when they are down.

 

[BigBearFan76]

Quad a thon is next week, anyone attending?

 

[Beardown]

Quad a thon is next week, anyone attending?

I won't be thee. Are you going to reveal yourself though to the coaches there?

 

[Brian]

It seems that most of the posts on this board do only one thing - personally attach others. I know in a program that has a history of losing, fans can become this way. However, everyone that participates in this behavior becomes part of the problem instead of the solution. Part of the problem is that as humans we generally do not like to be told that we are doing something the wrong way. Regardless of who the person is giving the critisism, if they have valid points, they should be considered. One of the he hardest parts for change to occur is for those in charge to evaluate the criticism and change if it is necessary. Dinks may very well run a very good program, but I am sure it is not perfect. If bearfan76 has some valid points then it takes courage on the part of Dinks to admit it and change the parts of his program that are flawed. He must really ask himself if there is some truth behind the increase in injuries because this is a serious implication. But whatever decision he makes, hopefully it will come after careful study and scrutiny of his methods. If he finds that he can make improvements, he must be man enough to fix it. It does not mean that he is doing a bad job, but needs to be able to adapt and make his program even better. Safety should be the number one concern in a weight lifting program so hopefully Dinks and the program will evaluate that and make changes if necessary. Failure to act or make changes if the inury issue is true, would imply that the program is going in the wrong direction. On the other hand, posters such as bearfan76, who may have valid points, are often not taken seriously because the way they portray themselves - as egotistical know-it-alls who tear any body down given a chance. Another example is his post under the topic "signees" - that the whole recruiting class is horrible. What kind of statement is that? There is no validity to that and the only end to statements like that is more negativity and tearing down of the program. If you are all truly interested in building the program and the boys that are in it, you should be supporting the team in anyway you can. Whether you agree with the coaching staff or not, it is their job and not yours. You are only making it harder for them to succeed. Negativity spreads like wild fire and you will not build a great program until you can be supportive. Many of you demand that Collins goes out and perhaps for valid reasons but until then, he is in charge so help him build the program up, not tear it down. If you truly support the football program, then support it - go to the games, cheer for all players, contribute positively, try to spread enthusiasm to others. If you refuse because you do not like the staff, then you are only hurting the boys, who with all their heart, want to be successful. Of course, only mature people can do this even when they are down.

Great post though on the final topic, I respectfully disagree.

Many of you demand that Collins goes out and perhaps for valid reasons but until then, he is in charge so help him build the program up, not tear it down. If you truly support the football program, then support it - go to the games, cheer for all players, contribute positively, try to spread enthusiasm to others. If you refuse because you do not like the staff, then you are only hurting the boys, who with all their heart, want to be successful. Of course, only mature people can do this even when they are down.

For some reason, UNC has a history of not being able to fire a coach who is grossly underperforming. There are times when pulling your vocal and financial support is the best way to show how unsatisfied you are and to force a much needed change. This doesn't mean we have to tear down the entire foundation or denigrate the players but in cases like this, dissent can be beneficial to the long term health of the program.

 

[duke the bear]

I have heard of the 300 club in relation to the Quad-a-Thon. Does anyone know what that is?

 

[Brian]

I have heard of the 300 club in relation to the Quad-a-Thon. Does anyone know what that is?

My guess is that it's those players that have scored 300 points or higher. Reading an article about the first Quad-a-Thon, they expected only around 10 players to reach 300 points and 25 players ended up scoring that high.

 

[Beardown]

Any reported results from the Quad-a-thon?

 

[duke the bear]

anyone know how to find out results?

 

[kaydee]

I also agree with what Dinky says. I love his positive attitude. That said, I believe that Dinky would have more success with the kids if he were not so out of shape. I have met numerous strength & conditioning coaches around the country, and the ones that consistently make a POSITIVE difference (as indicated by their Win/Loss record), are all in shape. Like Anthony Schlegal, the Ohio State S&C coach when he tackled a kid who ran out unto the field during the game. Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POL-4Kg_H4c" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. That was awesome. That's what the kids want, and one of the requirements is to be in shape. Be a good role model. Maybe Dinky should let one of his Certified Strength & Conditioning Specialist (CSCS) assistants take over. Btw, Dinky is not CSCS. All the top FCS Strength & Conditioning programs have a CSCS coach. Dinky could be the best S&C coach on the planet, but my experience with young athletes is that you had better look the part or they will not be 100% motivated. A good mechanic doesn't drive a wreck. Dinky should practice what he preaches.

 

[mountainbear]

in my humble opinion, this reveal yourself stuff is starting to sound like junior high drama. The fact of the matter is that coaches put the product of their work on the field every week. Personal stuff isn't the issue. Through the staff we ask young men to become Bears. Whatever occurs in the weight room, on the field and on campus is an extension of the staff that our school administration has chosen to employ.

 

[LaughingBear]

ThunderwolvesFan and McCandyman thank you for your support. Nick Chandler I mean BigBearFan76 and FootballFan15, like I have always stated. I refuse to hide behind a screen name. I will dare to be great in front of the world even if I fall flat on my face. At least I was brave enough to try. You two sit back and criticize every little nook and cranny that you can find to focus your little brains on. This is a rule I live by and you two should try it. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. You decide which you will be. As far as UNC and the athletic programs go, I choose to be PART OF THE SOLUTION!!!! and I will continue to work my ass off to turn this things around. You see its easy to criticize and throw stones but when the booboo hits the fan you will notice how many people will be there with you to clean the walls and how many will point fingers and laugh and say "I told ya so". You can criticize all you want but as for me and my staff we are doing exactly what we want to do with our lives. You two should try to do the same. Lets try this on for size. Try to say positive things and speak positivity into what we are doing instead of trying to tear us down. We are not going to stop doing everything we can to make this university the best we possibly can just because you two are complaining and criticizing everything you don't understand. Hey, jump on board of the positive ship, it sure would make you feel better than that of a sour puss. You're still more than welcomed to join me at 5:45am in the mornings to go over Strength & Conditioning/Sports Performance because obviously you two (BigBearFan76 and FootballFan15) are clueless to what my job is actually all about but you know what??????? at the end of the day when the check is cut it only has my name on it and I don't have to share any of it with you two. :clap:

Dink, I (Nick CANDLER) have better things to than to sit here on these boards and criticize you. You calling me out is petty, insulting to my personal legacy, and casts me as an outsider to a program I put my heart and soul into. I don't appreciate it. Put your ego aside for a minute and be willing to do what you demand of others -- seek new methods to grow and develop your skills, work your hardest, and when others talk shit about what you're doing take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself if it's true.

 

[mountainbear]

What do they say......to continue to do what you have always done and expect different results is the definition of insanity.

 

[mountainbear]

We seem to have an abundance of crazy around here!

 

[numbear1]

ThunderwolvesFan and McCandyman thank you for your support. Nick Chandler I mean BigBearFan76 and FootballFan15, like I have always stated. I refuse to hide behind a screen name. I will dare to be great in front of the world even if I fall flat on my face. At least I was brave enough to try. You two sit back and criticize every little nook and cranny that you can find to focus your little brains on. This is a rule I live by and you two should try it. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. You decide which you will be. As far as UNC and the athletic programs go, I choose to be PART OF THE SOLUTION!!!! and I will continue to work my ass off to turn this things around. You see its easy to criticize and throw stones but when the booboo hits the fan you will notice how many people will be there with you to clean the walls and how many will point fingers and laugh and say "I told ya so". You can criticize all you want but as for me and my staff we are doing exactly what we want to do with our lives. You two should try to do the same. Lets try this on for size. Try to say positive things and speak positivity into what we are doing instead of trying to tear us down. We are not going to stop doing everything we can to make this university the best we possibly can just because you two are complaining and criticizing everything you don't understand. Hey, jump on board of the positive ship, it sure would make you feel better than that of a sour puss. You're still more than welcomed to join me at 5:45am in the mornings to go over Strength & Conditioning/Sports Performance because obviously you two (BigBearFan76 and FootballFan15) are clueless to what my job is actually all about but you know what??????? at the end of the day when the check is cut it only has my name on it and I don't have to share any of it with you two. :clap:

Are you serious?? The individual that is behind this response is a DI head S&C coach? Holy moly thats a joke! Really impressive you feel confident enough giving out your identity on a blog! Why are you on here? Why would you give out your identity!? Because your manhood depends upon doing so? That folks is what you call a joke! and that is why in just a short time you will be job hunting with the rest of your delinquent co-workers. Yes you all are thieves stealing in the positions you hold.

Keep up the great work in "turn this things around"... that's funny. Really impressive. :clap:

 

[numbear1]

ThunderwolvesFan and McCandyman thank you for your support. Nick Chandler I mean BigBearFan76 and FootballFan15, like I have always stated. I refuse to hide behind a screen name. I will dare to be great in front of the world even if I fall flat on my face. At least I was brave enough to try. You two sit back and criticize every little nook and cranny that you can find to focus your little brains on. This is a rule I live by and you two should try it. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. You decide which you will be. As far as UNC and the athletic programs go, I choose to be PART OF THE SOLUTION!!!! and I will continue to work my ass off to turn this things around. You see its easy to criticize and throw stones but when the booboo hits the fan you will notice how many people will be there with you to clean the walls and how many will point fingers and laugh and say "I told ya so". You can criticize all you want but as for me and my staff we are doing exactly what we want to do with our lives. You two should try to do the same. Lets try this on for size. Try to say positive things and speak positivity into what we are doing instead of trying to tear us down. We are not going to stop doing everything we can to make this university the best we possibly can just because you two are complaining and criticizing everything you don't understand. Hey, jump on board of the positive ship, it sure would make you feel better than that of a sour puss. You're still more than welcomed to join me at 5:45am in the mornings to go over Strength & Conditioning/Sports Performance because obviously you two (BigBearFan76 and FootballFan15) are clueless to what my job is actually all about but you know what??????? at the end of the day when the check is cut it only has my name on it and I don't have to share any of it with you two. :clap:

Dink, I (Nick CANDLER) have better things to than to sit here on these boards and criticize you. You calling me out is petty, insulting to my personal legacy, and casts me as an outsider to a program I put my heart and soul into. I don't appreciate it. Put your ego aside for a minute and be willing to do what you demand of others -- seek new methods to grow and develop your skills, work your hardest, and when others talk shit about what you're doing take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself if it's true.

WOW! Oh my goodness why is this man allowed to keep his job after bashing former scholarship players on a BLOG at a DI University? Why do you think you still have a job Dinky? Let me guess, a job well done right? Tempo this ass hole!

Well handled Mr. Candler

 

[Brian]

Does anyone have actual evidence about our workout program that compares what we do to other Big Sky teams? Do we have more workout related injuries than other teams? Is our team weaker than other teams?
Based on watching the games on a dodgy internet stream, it seems like our o-line doesn't match up well but the rest of the team does. Unless the S&C coach is only responsible for the o-line then it doesn't seem like that's the problem.