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Starting 5: Post P&W

n.ogdencat

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I know this topic has been beaten pretty bad. After watching the purple and white scrimmage it became very apparent that four guys will be starters: Richardson, Berry, Bolomboy, and Tresnak. Who will be our fifth guy? I think it is safe to assume that Hill or Fulton will be first off the bench and that Fuller and Gittens will see time but who gets the final starting spot? Personally, I think it is Royce Williams because Rahe will want Senglin either on the court with J-Rich as PG or replacing J-Rich when he needs a breather. Of course Rahe could use Berry as a 2 and we could see Hill get the start at the 3. Hmmm...who knows. Thoughts?
 
The only thing I would disagree with you on is the that I believe that Fuller is ahead of Fulton. If we are talking about the 4 position only, Fuller may be ahead of Hill as well. Fulton's lack of mobility really limits what he can do for us. Until James gets back, Fulton could see some time at 5. I really like Fulton, he is very skilled offensively, but I believe his knees and ankles will continue to limit his mobility and his PT. Fuller is way, way better than what we saw in the P/W game. I'm torn on who might be the 5th starter. If Randy believes that hill is ready to take on the 3 spot, it could go that way. However, my gut tells me that it will be Williams at 3.

I don't think Randy has made any final choices yet. Senglin could be the 5th starter depending on if they decide to use him at point or on the wing. It looks to me like they are prepping him to take over at the point next year. If that is true, they may only play him there and not start him this year. If they decide to play him on the wing, he could be a starter this year. Any way you cut it, he will get a lot of time on the floor. I also think that it's going to be hard to keep Gittins off the floor.

Whom ever starts, the bench is going to win some games for us. :thumb: :thumb:
 
Based on the line-ups that were used in the P&W scrimmage, the coaches are clearly looking at Hill in either the 3 or 4 spot. Fuller looks to be just a 4.
I would guess that Williams will get the start at the 3, at least to start with. Experience does matter. Plus, I think bringing Hill off the bench will be better right now. Especially with Hajek out.
As far as the rotation, I know a lot of folks are thinking we'll go 10 deep, that just doesn't seem to be Rahe's style. I expect an 8 man rotation with 1 or 2 others getting only single digit minutes, at best. Who those 8 will be will be interesting to see. Lot's of options, I think.
 
I like Gittens starting. I believe he is our best defensive guard and he was very impressive handling and passing the ball. I could see Williams starting too, but I like the idea having a veteran coming off the bench.

1. Richardson
2. Berry
3. Gittens
4. Bolomboy
5. Tresnak

Our first 4 in are. Senglin, Williams, Hill, and Fuller. I can see Hajek getting some minutes and Fulton too here and there. I love our depth. I can see Bolomboy playing a lot of center too. We have the best depth at the SF and PF positions. I also think Hill will be primarily a PF. I think next hear he might even start there with Bolomboy at the Center spot. I can't wait to see how it all comes together. :rockon:
 
I don't think we can make lineup conclusions from the P/W game. I don't think that we ever saw the 'starting' lineup together on the floor at any one time. If anything, the coaches may have been looking at matchups and pairings.

The coaches having a difficult choice to make is a good thing. :thumb: :thumb:
 
It would annoy me as a fan of the other big sky schools to see 8 freshmen listed on the weber roster knowing we were a land slide for 1st. Also don't tell them we have 11 scholarship players.

We have good guards and the best front court in the big sky so I think we can afford one inexperienced starter in conf play. Ooc is harder to predict.
 
catcat said:
It would annoy me as a fan of the other big sky schools to see 8 freshmen listed on the weber roster knowing we were a land slide for 1st. ...

I guess it would annoy me more if Weber were wining the conference. It sure seems like they've been picked about every year but can't seem to get the job done. As a Weber fan, I am annoyed the State of Montana has all but owned Weber the past five years when it counts. I sure hope the next five are a different story.
 
That lineup could work. One thing is becoming more clear to me, that there will likely never be a time when one of the two senior guards is not on the floor. For example, I don't think you will see Senglin, Williams, and Gittins together unless the game is a blowout or everybody is in foul trouble. The same is not true for the post players. We could see all sorts of combinations there. :coffee:
 
talhadfoursteals said:
ajwildcat said:
1. Senglin
2. Richardson
3. Berry
4. Bolomboy
5. Treznak

Interesting...that could definitely work.

Tough to put a freshman in as the starting point guard, I think. Plus, I think Richardson has really turned into a top flight point. He had a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio last year.
I do agree with others here that the range of options for who to make the 5th starter is a very good thing.
I'll guess we'll see what the coaches think in 5 days. I'm interested to see not just who starting 5 is, but what kind of line-ups Rahe will trot out on the floor throughout the game.
 
oldrunner said:
That lineup could work. One thing is becoming more clear to me, that there will likely never be a time when one of the two senior guards is not on the floor. For example, I don't think you will see Senglin, Williams, and Gittins together unless the game is a blowout or everybody is in foul trouble. The same is not true for the post players. We could see all sorts of combinations there. :coffee:

Interesting observation, re: the post-players. Might depend on how quickly Hajek gets back. But even then, I'd be surprised if we see a lot of minutes with both Tresnak and Bolomboy on the bench (absent foul trouble, of course).
 
One of the reasons that I think we will see a variety of post player combinations is that Tres and Joel are both a little prone to foul trouble. I also think that many teams will try to defend them by getting them off the floor with foul trouble. We all know how quick with a whistle our BSC refs are. That is why we could see Fulton playing center or even Leeks getting a little time at center. When James gets back into playing shape, sometime in December, that dynamic will change quite a bit. Our other walk on post player, Brady Borklund, has another knee injury and is out indefinitely. It is within the realm of possibilities to see Hill and Fuller as the two post players, depending on match ups and foul trouble. One injury changes the landscape significantly. :coffee:

Saturday can't get here quick enough! :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
Teams shouldn't be too excited to get either Bolomboy or Tres off the floor. The Cats have options and lots of depth in the 4/5 area. Yes, we all know that the Cats need Hajek back, but he will be back, until then, it is more of an opportunity for our other bigs to get some time in and gain a little more experience. As for Hajek, I've heard he is coming along great, and should be able to start exercising sometime in the next couple of weeks. He might be back sooner than expected, but knowing the Wizard, I'm thinking he won't push anything and rather have a 100% Hajek than a 75%.

Until then, Weber could go to a small lineup and have either Hill or Fuller at the 4 and Fulton at the 5 if either or both Tres and Joel are in foul trouble. In all actuality, if Weber really needed to, Hill could play the 5 and Fuller the 4. Not that we really want to see that happen, I'm just saying, if the need arises, then the Cats have the weapons to make it work. We all know that Fulton can play either the 4 or 5, but his defensive abilities are a huge liability, while offensively he can really hurt teams if he gets hot.
 
I would think Rahe would be prepared for such foul trouble with sets designed for 2 forwards rather than a traditional 4/5, he certainly has the bodies to do it.
 
Tough to put a freshman in as the starting point guard, I think.

If my memory serves me right, the last time Weber stated a freshman as point guard, things worked out pretty well for both the player and the team... :thumb:
I'm not saying our current guys are at the same level as D-Lill, but you never know...
 
If my memory serves me, Damian started out at the 2 spot. He may have played a little point, at first, but was moved to point late in the season or the next year as a primary position. He was recruited as a wing player and got moved to point by default. We have a solid, senior point guard. Sengin would have to beat Richardson to start at that position and I'm not sure that can happen. The problem centers around asking a freshman to learn two positions in an already complex system. I don't see that happening either. The question is if it's better to get him more time playing on the wing or less time at the point, while prepping him for next year. That will be a tough choice. :coffee:
 
oldrunner said:
If my memory serves me, Damian started out at the 2 spot. He may have played a little point, at first, but was moved to point late in the season or the next year as a primary position. He was recruited as a wing player and got moved to point by default. We have a solid, senior point guard. Sengin would have to beat Richardson to start at that position and I'm not sure that can happen. The problem centers around asking a freshman to learn two positions in an already complex system. I don't see that happening either. The question is if it's better to get him more time playing on the wing or less time at the point, while prepping him for next year. That will be a tough choice. :coffee:

Lilliard did start his freshman year at the two, with McCoy running the point. As I recall, Lilliard had played point in HS and just wasn't comfortable at the 2. After the two switched positions, both his and McCoy's #s went up.
 
I also recall that Lillard had a lot of adjusting to do once he was switched. Comparing Lillard to Senglin is not really fair. I do see some similarities in their skills and abilities. However, Damian was off the charts in confidence, and leadership. As time goes on, I think Senglin will develop that same attitude. I'm not seeing it now, as we start the season. Maybe by league play. :thumb:
 

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