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Starting Five!

Itiger

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The new line up is working well! Although the team is not getting offensive production from the five spot, Hajek on the court seems to help with interior defense, although we are consistently getting out scored in the paint!

I'm hoping Rahe doesn't change the starting 5 when conference play starts! Olds, wasn't there some talk of going small in the BSC? Do you think the current 5 will take us to the end of the season?
 
We did out score YBU 30-14 in the paint. Our rebounding and defense have been better with James in the starting lineup. We have been lucky this year, so far, to have had no injuries. My feelings are that the starting lineup is set unless there are injuries or special circumstances. My feelings are that this has been a great move. It gets players into more natural positions, improves our rebounding, improves our interior defense, and makes the transition into next year easier. Next year I fully expect the starting front court to be Braxton, Bolomboy, and Hill. :twocents:
 
oldrunner said:
We did out score YBU 30-14 in the paint. Our rebounding and defense have been better with James in the starting lineup. We have been lucky this year, so far, to have had no injuries. My feelings are that the starting lineup is set unless there are injuries or special circumstances. My feelings are that this has been a great move. It gets players into more natural positions, improves our rebounding, improves our interior defense, and makes the transition into next year easier. Next year I fully expect the starting front court to be Braxton, Bolomboy, and Hill. :twocents:

Agreed!! The only reason that UVU was able to keep the game close was because of their 28 free throw attemps. Weber was at 12 until the final min. 12 to 28 on our home floor?!?!? I saw one of the refs after the game. I asked him why the game was so lopsided. He didn't reply, merely laughed. Whereupon, I gave him my view of his career options. I recommend that he should probably look into some other career options, because his being a college ref doesn't really look like a promising gig. I think he said something to me afterwards but I just told him he was late for his date with Dick. WORST REFS IN THE HISTORY OF THE DEE! Yikes...

As for the starting five. I like it. I don't understand why Hajek can play well against a 6-10 former football player, but struggled against a 6-6 kid who weighed probably 30-40lbs less than him. Hajek has to get the ball with 5' of the basket or there is little hope of him finishing. I'd rather see Bolomboy in the high post, but we all know he is a terrible passer. He can hit jump shots. Other than that...Golden is the spark we need off the bench. I feel his shooting percentage will improve. Also, I loved Coston's toughness on Saturday. Our JCs are getting better. Don't like Hunter's fear of shooting. He needs to pull the trigger when he is wide open.
 
This might be one of those home and home contracts that dictates that the traveling team brings their refs. I sit in the second row behind the visiting team and hear a lot of what goes on between the visiting coach and the refs. At one point in the game Hunsaker called the ref by his first name, the ref came right over to him, Hunsaker put his arm around him and asked him why he made a particular call. The ref told him that he had to make the call, that it was just too obvious if he didn't, and he used those words. When they parted, Hunsaker patted him on the butt a couple of times, the ref put his arm around Hunsaker and returned the favor with a couple of pats on his butt. These kinds of couples are allowed in Utah now, but a spouse should not be allowed to ref their games. I'm sure it wasn't a mistress sort of situation or they wouldn't have been so demonstrative.
 
oldrunner said:
These kinds of couples are allowed in Utah now, but a spouse should not be allowed to ref their games. I'm sure it wasn't a mistress sort of situation or they wouldn't have been so demonstrative.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
Maybe he will improve, but golden has not come close to playing up to his potential. I was way wrong on this kid. So far this season, he is the second to worst shooter on the team. Second only to Hunter. At least Hunter has the best assist to turnover ratio. Golden has one of the worst; he has more turnovers than assists and is only one assist ahead of Hill for worst of the starters. I feel that it is time to not have him in the starting lineup.

I think we should either go back to the big lineup with Hajek or start one of the freshman guards in his place.

For me, Golden and Johnson-Coston have been huge disappointments. They could surprise everyone and get better, but it sure doesn't look like it right now. :coffee:
 
Interesting dilemma. If you play Hajek you get zero offensive production, but I think better interior defense. Coston to me is a major miss. He just doesn't have the height or skills to contribute. Hill is a huge question mark. The foul trouble seems to be an issue. Can't play defense with your chest instead of your feet!

What I think is hurting us is not having a Tresnak type player in the middle. Everything started with Trez and if he had nothing he would kick it out to Dev for an open shot! I agree that Joel is a helluva athlete, but his passing and ball handling skills are a problem. Hajeks is even worse! Memories of Trez dumping the ball to Joel and Dev are just too distant! Imagine how Golden would perform if he had the ability to find a spot and square his shoulders. He's not athletic enough to create his own space!

The team has a leadership problem. Senglin's eyes get big when he sees other players step up! He wants to be the man so he holds the ball until he can get a shot! Those game winning shots are due to the fact he won't distribute the ball for anyone else to shoot! I knew in the last minutes of the game that he wasn't going to give the ball up because he didn't like what Richardson was doing! He wanted to be the man! My son called it at the 4 minutes left mark that Senglin was now going to fall apart! I'm sure he wasn't the only one to predict it! I also felt he was trying to show he was the man on the big stage in Oklahoma! I thought that experienced would've humbled him! This team still has the potential to be very good AND win the conference, but coach Rahe is going to need to make some changes. The team is at a critical point in the season. It could go south quickly if he doesn't set clear expectations. 17 shots by Senglin and 7 for Joel is a joke! Joel will not be POY and I'm not sure he'll be 1st team BSC unless he adopts the mantra that this is his team!
 
Midmajor?? said:
Interesting dilemma. If you play Hajek you get zero offensive production, but I think better interior defense. Coston to me is a major miss. He just doesn't have the height or skills to contribute. Hill is a huge question mark. The foul trouble seems to be an issue. Can't play defense with your chest instead of your feet!

What I think is hurting us is not having a Tresnak type player in the middle. Everything started with Trez and if he had nothing he would kick it out to Dev for an open shot! I agree that Joel is a helluva athlete, but his passing and ball handling skills are a problem. Hajeks is even worse! Memories of Trez dumping the ball to Joel and Dev are just too distant! Imagine how Golden would perform if he had the ability to find a spot and square his shoulders. He's not athletic enough to create his own space!

The team has a leadership problem. Senglin's eyes get big when he sees other players step up! He wants to be the man so he holds the ball until he can get a shot! Those game winning shots are due to the fact he won't distribute the ball for anyone else to shoot! I knew in the last minutes of the game that he wasn't going to give the ball up because he didn't like what Richardson was doing! He wanted to be the man! My son called it at the 4 minutes left mark that Senglin was now going to fall apart! I'm sure he wasn't the only one to predict it! I also felt he was trying to show he was the man on the big stage in Oklahoma! I thought that experienced would've humbled him! This team still has the potential to be very good AND win the conference, but coach Rahe is going to need to make some changes. The team is at a critical point in the season. It could go south quickly if he doesn't set clear expectations. 17 shots by Senglin and 7 for Joel is a joke! Joel will not be POY and I'm not sure he'll be 1st team BSC unless he adopts the mantra that this is his team!

Funny. You hit it on the nose! Senglin wants to be Dev like and be the man, but don't look for Joel to fill that role. That's not who he is. Joel wants to do his thing and go home! He's a quiet, loner type of guy. The team could use his leadership, but it's not going to come from Bolomboy. He's not comfortable with that role! The starting 5 has one alpha and that Senglin! Everyone else is a quiet follower! Rahe doesn't really look for guys with attitude. I think we could use a little attitude right now!
 
Looking at our team this year, Senglin needs to be the man. Many folks jumped on him yesterday for his play at the end of the game. I thought the charging call was questionable. But someone needs to step up in the closing minutes. Senglin is that guy. He can get to the basket and he can knock down 3s. Don't forget Barry used to take some wild drives to the basket in the final minutes last year -- sometimes he got fouled, sometimes he turned it over.
What lost the game last night was the inability to get a defensive rebound in the last couple of minutes. On one series EWU must have had 4 chances, ending with a Harvey 3 that cut the lead to 1 and really got the crowd into it. If Weber pulls down a rebound there and possibly converts at the other end, we are up 6, not 1.
As for the starting 5, I don't think it matters much which option the coaches go with. What matters is who is playing the last 8-10 minutes of the game. And if Richardson keeps performing the way he did yesterday, then he will have to be on the floor with Senglin, Gittens, Hill and Bolomboy.
 
Where was Hunter yesterday? Is he in the dog house?

Richardson had a hell of a game. He has confidence and is long. He needs to be getting more time. If not starting.

Senglin is the man but doesn't need to push it so much. Our offense was working yesterday. Why not run it and look for a better shot? Weber went away from what was working. Instead of pushing it on offense the Cats wasted time and had to settle for a bad shot. Senglin is good but he isn't great at getting to the line. Why slow it down too? That takes the team out of their groove and allows for teams like Eastern to catch up. Senglin had a solid game and I want the ball in his hands but he needed to make better decisions yesterday.

Personally I like the big lineup with James. He just needs to produce more than 4pfs 2rbs and 0pts on 0-2 shooting.
 
WSUProf said:
Looking at our team this year, Senglin needs to be the man. Many folks jumped on him yesterday for his play at the end of the game. I thought the charging call was questionable. But someone needs to step up in the closing minutes. Senglin is that guy. He can get to the basket and he can knock down 3s. Don't forget Barry used to take some wild drives to the basket in the final minutes last year -- sometimes he got fouled, sometimes he turned it over.
What lost the game last night was the inability to get a defensive rebound in the last couple of minutes. On one series EWU must have had 4 chances, ending with a Harvey 3 that cut the lead to 1 and really got the crowd into it. If Weber pulls down a rebound there and possibly converts at the other end, we are up 6, not 1.
As for the starting 5, I don't think it matters much which option the coaches go with. What matters is who is playing the last 8-10 minutes of the game. And if Richardson keeps performing the way he did yesterday, then he will have to be on the floor with Senglin, Gittens, Hill and Bolomboy.

I disagree that Senglin needs to be the man in the sense that he needs to be the go-to guy at the end of games. Last night's game was a great example of this-- look at his last 6-8 possessions. Weber has predicable let downs at the ends of halves and last night was no exception. I believe it is often due to a change from pushing the offense, benefiting from their TEAM athleticism, to a more deliberate, time consuming half-court offense, in which an individual player will usually try to force something and/or turn it over. Give this team time to think, and they'll make poor decisions. Basically, a change from playing to win to playing not to lose.

Senglin does need to be the man as far as being a vocal leader who can make good decisions while being a facilitator. He must let the game come to him to be the kind of talent we saw last year. This year's roster MUST excel as a team, not as individuals. This is where the coaching staff needs to "develop bigs." Teach Senglin, Bolomboy, Hajek, and Hill how to play the inside-out game that Rahe has said so many times that's the kind of game they play. Neither side of the current equation knows how to play that game or maybe they are just not capable. Coston can fit into this kind of system just fine in the high post if he knows what he's doing and there is a team effort-- he, too, will struggle to be Berry type of impact player but has a capable skill set.

Weber should have never gotten in the position where they needed a Senglin game winner or a Berry-type carrying of the team. The game was lost the 2-4 minutes before each half and from being worked on the glass, in the paint, and some poor defensive decisions with Harvey and poor offensive decisions to not go with the hot hand (Richardson). Although I'm down on Golden and Coston too, Weber's inability to get Senglin, Gittens, Hill, Bolomboy, and Hajek working a inside-out game together is equally frustrating.
 
SWWeatherCat said:
WSUProf said:
Looking at our team this year, Senglin needs to be the man. Many folks jumped on him yesterday for his play at the end of the game. I thought the charging call was questionable. But someone needs to step up in the closing minutes. Senglin is that guy. He can get to the basket and he can knock down 3s. Don't forget Barry used to take some wild drives to the basket in the final minutes last year -- sometimes he got fouled, sometimes he turned it over.
What lost the game last night was the inability to get a defensive rebound in the last couple of minutes. On one series EWU must have had 4 chances, ending with a Harvey 3 that cut the lead to 1 and really got the crowd into it. If Weber pulls down a rebound there and possibly converts at the other end, we are up 6, not 1.
As for the starting 5, I don't think it matters much which option the coaches go with. What matters is who is playing the last 8-10 minutes of the game. And if Richardson keeps performing the way he did yesterday, then he will have to be on the floor with Senglin, Gittens, Hill and Bolomboy.

I disagree that Senglin needs to be the man in the sense that he needs to be the go-to guy at the end of games. Last night's game was a great example of this-- look at his last 6-8 possessions. Weber has predicable let downs at the ends of halves and last night was no exception. I believe it is often due to a change from pushing the offense, benefiting from their TEAM athleticism, to a more deliberate, time consuming half-court offense, in which an individual player will usually try to force something and/or turn it over. Give this team time to think, and they'll make poor decisions. Basically, a change from playing to win to playing not to lose.

Senglin does need to be the man as far as being a vocal leader who can make good decisions while being a facilitator. He must let the game come to him to be the kind of talent we saw last year. This year's roster MUST excel as a team, not as individuals. This is where the coaching staff needs to "develop bigs." Teach Senglin, Bolomboy, Hajek, and Hill how to play the inside-out game that Rahe has said so many times that's the kind of game they play. Neither side of the current equation knows how to play that game or maybe they are just not capable. Coston can fit into this kind of system just fine in the high post if he knows what he's doing and there is a team effort-- he, too, will struggle to be Berry type of impact player but has a capable skill set.

Weber should have never gotten in the position where they needed a Senglin game winner or a Berry-type carrying of the team. The game was lost the 2-4 minutes before each half and from being worked on the glass, in the paint, and some poor defensive decisions with Harvey and poor offensive decisions to not go with the hot hand (Richardson). Although I'm down on Golden and Coston too, Weber's inability to get Senglin, Gittens, Hill, Bolomboy, and Hajek working a inside-out game together is equally frustrating.

Great post. I agree 93%..... The only problem is we don't have a player that can execute the inside out game! Joel cannot handle the ball! Turnovers and an inability to feel the double team is a concern. Hajek and Coston are even worse. It's a very different team from prior years. I'm also not sure Senglin can execute an entry pass! :twocents:
 
I guess the way I see it is if colligate basketball players who have both won conference awards can't be taught to identify and pass out of a double team or make an entry pass, then we have a coaching problem.
 
Bolomboy is a frustrating ball handler. Every time he touches the ball I cringe. He can shot but cant play with his back towards the basket. Who is Weber's big man coach?
 
talhadfoursteals said:
Bolomboy is a frustrating ball handler. Every time he touches the ball I cringe. He can shot but cant play with his back towards the basket. Who is Weber's big man coach?

This is just Rahe being stubborn, but there's really no one else. Hajek is Superman, but he has hands of steel! I don't see it in Hill! He just doesn't bring the wood inside. If anything he's the invisible man! Van pelt just isn't getting a shot. We can't discuss Braxton until next year, but he could've been a good factor in conference play. Coston just isn't a factor inside. Doesn't have the size.
We are struggling inside.... That's my biggest concern about this team this year and next!
 
Midmajor?? said:
talhadfoursteals said:
Bolomboy is a frustrating ball handler. Every time he touches the ball I cringe. He can shot but cant play with his back towards the basket. Who is Weber's big man coach?

This is just Rahe being stubborn, but there's really no one else. Hajek is Superman, but he has hands of steel! I don't see it in Hill! He just doesn't bring the wood inside. If anything he's the invisible man! Van pelt just isn't getting a shot. We can't discuss Braxton until next year, but he could've been a good factor in conference play. Coston just isn't a factor inside. Doesn't have the size.
We are struggling inside.... That's my biggest concern about this team this year and next!

Has Braxton played this year? I've seen him on the bench and in warm ups. I'd like to see him in a game to see what he could do. He and Vanpelt don't get off the bench! Tal? Do we have a bigs coach? Bolomboy is playing out of position! He a team first guy playing out of position!
 
Cats meow! said:
Midmajor?? said:
talhadfoursteals said:
Bolomboy is a frustrating ball handler. Every time he touches the ball I cringe. He can shot but cant play with his back towards the basket. Who is Weber's big man coach?

This is just Rahe being stubborn, but there's really no one else. Hajek is Superman, but he has hands of steel! I don't see it in Hill! He just doesn't bring the wood inside. If anything he's the invisible man! Van pelt just isn't getting a shot. We can't discuss Braxton until next year, but he could've been a good factor in conference play. Coston just isn't a factor inside. Doesn't have the size.
We are struggling inside.... That's my biggest concern about this team this year and next!

Has Braxton played this year? I've seen him on the bench and in warm ups. I'd like to see him in a game to see what he could do. He and Vanpelt don't get off the bench! Tal? Do we have a bigs coach? Bolomboy is playing out of position! He a team first guy playing out of position!

Braxton is a redshirt so we won't see him this season
 
Back2WSU said:
Cats meow! said:
Midmajor?? said:
talhadfoursteals said:
Bolomboy is a frustrating ball handler. Every time he touches the ball I cringe. He can shot but cant play with his back towards the basket. Who is Weber's big man coach?

This is just Rahe being stubborn, but there's really no one else. Hajek is Superman, but he has hands of steel! I don't see it in Hill! He just doesn't bring the wood inside. If anything he's the invisible man! Van pelt just isn't getting a shot. We can't discuss Braxton until next year, but he could've been a good factor in conference play. Coston just isn't a factor inside. Doesn't have the size.
We are struggling inside.... That's my biggest concern about this team this year and next!

Has Braxton played this year? I've seen him on the bench and in warm ups. I'd like to see him in a game to see what he could do. He and Vanpelt don't get off the bench! Tal? Do we have a bigs coach? Bolomboy is playing out of position! He a team first guy playing out of position!

Braxton is a redshirt so we won't see him this season
Thanks! Sorry I missed that! He's always in uniform on the bench! I didn't know red shirts could dress. He's got good size as does VanPelt. Weber needs to get an attitude inside. Tal is right. Bolomboy is ineffective with his back to the rim and handling the ball. He can make the NBA, but not as a 5.
 
talhadfoursteals said:
Bolomboy is a frustrating ball handler. Every time he touches the ball I cringe. He can shot but cant play with his back towards the basket. Who is Weber's big man coach?

Big man coach is Duft, right? I guess you have to really wonder at this point.
 
Doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result is the definition of insanity, right? Coaches have not really tried anything different all year long. Seems to me like a change might give some players who think they are doing well enough a kick in the a$$.
 

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