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State Hornet Picks Up the Torch on Arena Bait and Switch
- Thread starter Kadeezy
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Weak excuse, no mention of Spanos bailing on his pledge. No mention of the money dance needed to shift funds from the event center to the fieldhouse because of Spanos’ failure to follow up on his commitment. No mention of the economic disaster that followed in ’07.
Just as I figured Gonzo didn’t follow through this spring because of the lack of up front money. Students alone can't finance this project.
I'm fine with this. Last thing we need is a half ass attempt to build something that doesn't address the needs at hand. A coordinated fund raising effort can get this thing built, would be a great statement by the next AD if he/she can head up this effort.
Well not many more approved the thing in 2004 to begin with (count me in that crowd 
) so that argument goes both ways. The bigger issue is why didn't Wanless coordinate the various athletic programs to crash those survey's. I can't wait to see some fresh faces calling the shots here.
) so that argument goes both ways. The bigger issue is why didn't Wanless coordinate the various athletic programs to crash those survey's. I can't wait to see some fresh faces calling the shots here.superhornet
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I'm surprised the paper got away with this. Usually, if a school paper has the you-know-whats to take on the administration, they get shut down. Standard freedom of the press rights get checked at the door when you're in school.
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hno:Kadeezy said:
I'm not sure 400 students shot it down. It's more like 400 students gave Gonzo an excuse to not make a tough decision. If it's a lack of upfront money to get the project going, then so be it. But don't shift the blame to the students. People are rarely going to say please take more money from me. The school has to make those tough decisions if it's within their power and I think it is at this point in time.
I still reply to the nice students who call me looking for donations, that I refuse to do anything until the school can figure out a way to construct an events center and an updated stadium.
The school touts its MBA program as world class, yet it baffles me as to why a school with so much business acumen can't put their collective heads together and create a working business-funding plan on how to materialize these facilities. By not doing ANYTHING it really throws egg in the face of the business school and it's perceived status, not to mention the university. Destination Campus, really?
Instead of waiting for an 'elephant' kill donation, why not harness the 200+K alumni and solicit donations? If the clowns in the corner office can't figure out how to crowd raise they need to get out of the way. :thumbdown:
The school touts its MBA program as world class, yet it baffles me as to why a school with so much business acumen can't put their collective heads together and create a working business-funding plan on how to materialize these facilities. By not doing ANYTHING it really throws egg in the face of the business school and it's perceived status, not to mention the university. Destination Campus, really?
Instead of waiting for an 'elephant' kill donation, why not harness the 200+K alumni and solicit donations? If the clowns in the corner office can't figure out how to crowd raise they need to get out of the way. :thumbdown:
Super Hornet said:I'm surprised the paper got away with this. Usually, if a school paper has the you-know-whats to take on the administration, they get shut down. Standard freedom of the press rights get checked at the door when you're in school.
Not here, when I was at the State Hornet, there was pretty much no limits to the topic. We had a faculty editor, but he was hippy liberal and let everything pass.
If they promote the Vagina Monologues, what harm is poking a mule with a stick?
Yup, students already gave their consent to pay for it in 2004. The “vote” that happened via the recent surveys was almost split 50-50 and is nothing more than a “recommendation”. It is not a binding referendum like the one passed in ’04, hence why the Student Event Center (SEC) will never technically be dead. The Well/SEC expansion website identified that $45M was/is needed up front to make the financial aspect of the project feasible. Since this latest push materialized within the past year, there is no doubt that $45M wasn’t raised considering the new downtown arena is gobbling up the lion share of the local business dollars.Hornet25 said:
The issue I have is the lack of effort (at least publicly) to raise private funds for this project. The SEC will have a broad function and can pull in donations from M&W hoops, gym, and volleyball fans/alums/supporters as well as those who have an interest or desire to improve campus life and overall visibility. If the private big donor dollars aren’t there then there needs to be a plan to capture the “little” people who are willing to throw in a few coins into the plate as well. If some sort of comprehensive effort can materialize then I have no doubt that at some point the SEC gets built, until then...
The Green Hornet
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I'm not so sure the powers that be really want a new arena and renovated stadium. With that, they'll have to start producing teams with winning records and maybe even some conference championships, thus more pressure.
The way it is now, the coaches and A.D. have a built in excuse as to why we can't do better than .500 in hoops and football - poor and old facilities makes it too difficult to recruit the best, subsequently, we can't do any better than we are right now. And that leads to job security for them, which is what they want, so they can get to full retirement without having to leave and start over someplace else.
The way it is now, the coaches and A.D. have a built in excuse as to why we can't do better than .500 in hoops and football - poor and old facilities makes it too difficult to recruit the best, subsequently, we can't do any better than we are right now. And that leads to job security for them, which is what they want, so they can get to full retirement without having to leave and start over someplace else.
josephpoint
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I work for the state and assume our AD and president (like me) are eligible for a pension at 55 years old and 5 years of service. Assume both these men are 55 or older and have been employed by the state for over 5 years. We all get 2 percent or more of our highest annual pay times years of service and assume they make huge saleries. They are both already just fine. They can retire, get great pensions and working doing something else does not impact them getting a pension. Plus state workers have great 401K programs that they have probably tapped into and they will get social security checks to boot.
Always baffeled as to why a fundraising campaign has never been started to replace Hornet Gym and upgrade Hornet Stadium Can u imagine how much would have been collected by now since we joined Div 1 in 1991. All these lost years.
The gym and football stadium were even poor facilities going back to the Div II years.
Always baffeled as to why a fundraising campaign has never been started to replace Hornet Gym and upgrade Hornet Stadium Can u imagine how much would have been collected by now since we joined Div 1 in 1991. All these lost years.
The gym and football stadium were even poor facilities going back to the Div II years.
The more tournament games I watch, the more frustrated I get with this situation. There are inherent disadvantages when it comes to our football program. Namely, not having any chance of getting into a BCS conference. But, we have no excuse for our basketball program. Win and you get to go to the dance.
The school has an opportunity to win a national title. I know that won't happen, but in football, you're not even afforded the opportunity. There is an abundance of talent in California and only 12 men on each squad. You should be able to pick up recruits simply because there aren't enough available slots at higher profile schools in the area. But when those recruits look at our gym, you automatically lose that second tier.
I know everyone knows this already but it's frustrating that no one has the guts to get it done. I don't believe that coaches don't want better facilities. I think our president is playing politics or being lazy instead of doing what's best for the school.
I'm done venting on this subject.
The school has an opportunity to win a national title. I know that won't happen, but in football, you're not even afforded the opportunity. There is an abundance of talent in California and only 12 men on each squad. You should be able to pick up recruits simply because there aren't enough available slots at higher profile schools in the area. But when those recruits look at our gym, you automatically lose that second tier.
I know everyone knows this already but it's frustrating that no one has the guts to get it done. I don't believe that coaches don't want better facilities. I think our president is playing politics or being lazy instead of doing what's best for the school.
I'm done venting on this subject.
We just need an AD who has the energy and drive to want to put his/her mark on Hornet athletics. This effort won’t come from anyone currently in the department. A fresh perspective and new energy can create a push to get something built.
As far as Gonzo goes I think he would have no problem getting this done if he (and others) can get the money in line. The campus has seen massive expansion under his tenure, unless he has thrown in the towel I’m hard pressed to think he wouldn’t help push this forward. Student fees alone aren’t enough to finance this project.
As far as Gonzo goes I think he would have no problem getting this done if he (and others) can get the money in line. The campus has seen massive expansion under his tenure, unless he has thrown in the towel I’m hard pressed to think he wouldn’t help push this forward. Student fees alone aren’t enough to finance this project.
superhornet
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I don't understand what the problem is. It's more than just athletics. If we have a good arena, we can rent it out throughout the year and make bank. Fresno State does that. SDSU does that. Heck, even the unmentionable school down I-5 does it (occasionally, anyway). We've been known to rent out the football stadium (Surge/Goldminers, Pig Bowl, NCAA Track, USATF Olympic Trials, etc.). Why can't we do the same with a good arena? Plus, most arenae have digital signs attached to them; we could sell advertising on that. It just doesn't make any sense....
Super Hornet said:
Because the Kings control the money. They don't have an arena, neither will the state school. :notworthy:
My one wish was they would have moved to Seattle. Sac State would probably be pushing dirt for a new events center by now had that materialized.
Sorry Kings fans, but I am a Hornet fan first and this is really just a one horse town anyway.
superhornet
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Why Seattle, GCM? Why not the Pond? They had a potential deal there, too.
The territorial rights fees aren't an issue, either, as they would exist in BOTH locations (though, admittedly, it would be essentially double in Anaheim as they would have to pay both the Lakers and the Clippers). Portland will claim territorial rights to Seattle with the Super Sonics gone....
The territorial rights fees aren't an issue, either, as they would exist in BOTH locations (though, admittedly, it would be essentially double in Anaheim as they would have to pay both the Lakers and the Clippers). Portland will claim territorial rights to Seattle with the Super Sonics gone....
Green Cookie Monster said:
Hush your mouth GCM.
There is no reason that the Kings and Hornets can't coexist. There is no money control in this town. For years, the Maloofs alienated corporate sponsors and Sac State did not end up benefiting. So why would the Kings leaving benefit us? Not having an arena at Sac State has nothing to do with the Kings. Sac State needs the same thing that the Kings needed in order to get an arena done. Strong leadership and feet on the ground soliciting corporations and individuals for donations.
