Stupid TSN...

[Kadeezy]

Is anyone else amused that we lost votes and UCD picked up votes in a bye week?

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/tsn-div-1aa-poll.htm

 

[DrMike]

our SOB (strength of bye) was higher than yours!

or was it the BS (bye strength) that changed things?

i've come to the conclusion that most of these guys are guessing once they get past the top 5! some of those teams getting votes have losing records, and a strength of schedule that is laughable.

 

[superhornet]

It's not so much that we lost votes, but that we lost points. Goodness knows how the votes we got were structured.

The Manure Pile did NOT pass us, so I'm not so worried about that. Notice that McNeese came back to us.

Complain if we're not ranked after we take down EWU.

 

[DrMike]

McNeese is 2-4, with a win over Lamar and Northwestern St. who votes for them?

 

[The Green Hornet]

It's amazing how different some of the rankings are depending on the pollsters. Pulling out the FCS teams from Sagerin's Rankings, he's got Delaware first (TSN has them 2nd), but he has NAU 2nd and TSN has them 22nd; a huge difference! Sagerin has Mt St 6th (TSN = 15th), EWU 7th (TSN=8th) and MT 14th (TSN=7th).

Sacramento State is up to 17th in Sagerin now and 105th counting all 245 D-1 teams. We began the season at 180th, I think. On 9-22, we were the 38th FCS team in Sagerin. We are now ranked ahead of 31 FBS teams; not bad. Delaware is 56th overall.

 

[SloStang]

McNeese is 2-4, with a win over Lamar and Northwestern St. who votes for them?

To be fair to McNeese State their 4 losses are to Missouri, LSU (gave them a good game, down 16-10 at the half), #5 SFA (had the lead and SFA scored the go ahead TD with 53 seconds left) and Cal Poly. I would bet they win at least 4 of their last 5 games.

 

[StungAlum]

McNeese is 2-4, with a win over Lamar and Northwestern St. who votes for them?

To be fair to McNeese State their 4 losses are to Missouri, LSU (gave them a good game, down 16-10 at the half), #5 SFA (had the lead and SFA scored the go ahead TD with 53 seconds left) and Cal Poly. I would bet they win at least 4 of their last 5 games.

So what?! Montucky and Montucky State were/are both ranked and the Hornets only lost by a TOTAL of 6 points! What was the point margin against McNeese? Probably not 6 points.

Missouri 50-6
Cal Poly 40-14
SFA 32-27
LSU 32-10

The above losses hardly constitute a good season or being ranked anywhere in the top 50, or receiving any votes.

 

[SloStang]

McNeese is 2-4, with a win over Lamar and Northwestern St. who votes for them?

To be fair to McNeese State their 4 losses are to Missouri, LSU (gave them a good game, down 16-10 at the half), #5 SFA (had the lead and SFA scored the go ahead TD with 53 seconds left) and Cal Poly. I would bet they win at least 4 of their last 5 games.

So what?! Montucky and Montucky State were/are both ranked and the Hornets only lost by a TOTAL of 6 points! What was the point margin against McNeese? Probably not 6 points.

Missouri 50-6
Cal Poly 40-14
SFA 32-27
LSU 32-10

The above losses hardly constitute a good season or being ranked anywhere in the top 50, or receiving any votes.

I am not saying they deserved to be ranked or even be receiving votes. I am just saying they are a better team then their record. It would not shock me to see them run the table.

 

[StungAlum]

McNeese is 2-4, with a win over Lamar and Northwestern St. who votes for them?

To be fair to McNeese State their 4 losses are to Missouri, LSU (gave them a good game, down 16-10 at the half), #5 SFA (had the lead and SFA scored the go ahead TD with 53 seconds left) and Cal Poly. I would bet they win at least 4 of their last 5 games.

So what?! Montucky and Montucky State were/are both ranked and the Hornets only lost by a TOTAL of 6 points! What was the point margin against McNeese? Probably not 6 points.

Missouri 50-6
Cal Poly 40-14
SFA 32-27
LSU 32-10

The above losses hardly constitute a good season or being ranked anywhere in the top 50, or receiving any votes.

I am not saying they deserved to be ranked or even be receiving votes. I am just saying they are a better team then their record. It would not shock me to see them run the table.

Still not buying what you're selling, I just don't see how a team that has been routed/blown out three times is any good, not to mention losing to SFA, a regional foe. If Sac had that record, your opinion would be very different I'm sure.

 

[SloStang]

McNeese is 2-4, with a win over Lamar and Northwestern St. who votes for them?

To be fair to McNeese State their 4 losses are to Missouri, LSU (gave them a good game, down 16-10 at the half), #5 SFA (had the lead and SFA scored the go ahead TD with 53 seconds left) and Cal Poly. I would bet they win at least 4 of their last 5 games.

So what?! Montucky and Montucky State were/are both ranked and the Hornets only lost by a TOTAL of 6 points! What was the point margin against McNeese? Probably not 6 points.

Missouri 50-6
Cal Poly 40-14
SFA 32-27
LSU 32-10

The above losses hardly constitute a good season or being ranked anywhere in the top 50, or receiving any votes.

I am not saying they deserved to be ranked or even be receiving votes. I am just saying they are a better team then their record. It would not shock me to see them run the table.

Still not buying what you're selling, I just don't see how a team that has been routed/blown out three times is any good, not to mention losing to SFA, a regional foe. If Sac had that record, your opinion would be very different I'm sure.

No bad losses. Missouri is #16/#18 FBS team, Cal Poly is #21/#22 FCS team, 5 point last minute loss to the #4/#5 FCS team and a 22 point loss to the #6 FBS school. How many of those games to you think Sac State would win?

 

[jj2319]

None other than Cal Poly

 

[SloStang]

None other than Cal Poly

:roll: :lol: :roll:

 

[StungAlum]

McNeese is 2-4, with a win over Lamar and Northwestern St. who votes for them?

To be fair to McNeese State their 4 losses are to Missouri, LSU (gave them a good game, down 16-10 at the half), #5 SFA (had the lead and SFA scored the go ahead TD with 53 seconds left) and Cal Poly. I would bet they win at least 4 of their last 5 games.

So what?! Montucky and Montucky State were/are both ranked and the Hornets only lost by a TOTAL of 6 points! What was the point margin against McNeese? Probably not 6 points.

Missouri 50-6
Cal Poly 40-14
SFA 32-27
LSU 32-10

The above losses hardly constitute a good season or being ranked anywhere in the top 50, or receiving any votes.

I am not saying they deserved to be ranked or even be receiving votes. I am just saying they are a better team then their record. It would not shock me to see them run the table.

Still not buying what you're selling, I just don't see how a team that has been routed/blown out three times is any good, not to mention losing to SFA, a regional foe. If Sac had that record, your opinion would be very different I'm sure.

No bad losses. Missouri is #16/#18 FBS team, Cal Poly is #21/#22 FCS team, 5 point last minute loss to the #4/#5 FCS team and a 22 point loss to the #6 FBS school. How many of those games to you think Sac State would win?

A loss is a loss! No matter how you try to spin it, they're record says theyre crap! By the way, Sac has two 3 point losses to ranked teams, both losses were in the final minutes of the game plus a win over a then #21 ranked WSU team.

2-4 is a crap record, it's a losing record. No team with a losing record is a good team, maybe an okay team, but not a good team.

 

[superhornet]

No team with a losing record is a good team, maybe an okay team, but not a good team.

So you're saying that a team at 0-1 is no good by definition?

 

[StungAlum]

No team with a losing record is a good team, maybe an okay team, but not a good team.

So you're saying that a team at 0-1 is no good by definition?

That's one game, many teams start out o-1 and finish the season with winning records. Conversely, not many teams that are 2-4 end the season well. I'm sure you could name many teams that have ended up with winning records after a 2-4 start, that's not the point. If Sac was 2-4 right now no one would be saying they were better than their record shows, PERIOD! A 2-4 team, that has had chances to prove itself, isnt good.

 

[SloStang]

All I am saying who you lose to and how you play them has to be taken into consideration. Which Sac State team would you consider better this year? A Sac State that is 2-4 and it's 4 losses are getting blown out by Idaho State, Northern Colorado, Savanah State and San Diego or a Sac State team losing close games to Montana, NAU, Weber State and Montana State? Like I said, who you play and how you play them has to be taken into consideration. McNeese State is not as bad as their 2-4 record. Their 4 losses have been to good teams. They play very well against the #4 FCS team and gave the #6 FBS team a good game.

 

[superhornet]

All I am saying who you lose to and how you play them has to be taken into consideration. Which Sac State team would you consider better this year? A Sac State that is 2-4 and it's 4 losses are getting blown out by Idaho State, Northern Colorado, Savanah State and San Diego or a Sac State team losing close games to Montana, NAU, Weber State and Montana State? Like I said, who you play and how you play them has to be taken into consideration. McNeese State is not as bad as their 2-4 record. Their 4 losses have been to good teams. They play very well against the #4 FCS team and gave the #6 FBS team a good game.

:idea:

 

[StungAlum]

All I am saying who you lose to and how you play them has to be taken into consideration. Which Sac State team would you consider better this year? A Sac State that is 2-4 and it's 4 losses are getting blown out by Idaho State, Northern Colorado, Savanah State and San Diego or a Sac State team losing close games to Montana, NAU, Weber State and Montana State? Like I said, who you play and how you play them has to be taken into consideration. McNeese State is not as bad as their 2-4 record. Their 4 losses have been to good teams. They play very well against the #4 FCS team and gave the #6 FBS team a good game.

That's BCS talk and there's no room for that stuff in a league that has a playoff system. You can't get to the playoffs based on strength of schedule last time I checked, it's all about wins and who a team has defeated.

 

[superhornet]

All I am saying who you lose to and how you play them has to be taken into consideration. Which Sac State team would you consider better this year? A Sac State that is 2-4 and it's 4 losses are getting blown out by Idaho State, Northern Colorado, Savanah State and San Diego or a Sac State team losing close games to Montana, NAU, Weber State and Montana State? Like I said, who you play and how you play them has to be taken into consideration. McNeese State is not as bad as their 2-4 record. Their 4 losses have been to good teams. They play very well against the #4 FCS team and gave the #6 FBS team a good game.

That's BCS talk and there's no room for that stuff in a league that has a playoff system. You can't get to the playoffs based on strength of schedule last time I checked, it's all about wins and who a team has defeated.

Explain that to the Cow Poly and U of San Diego teams that got shafted on the playoffs with outstanding records but no SOS to speak of.

 

[StungAlum]

All I am saying who you lose to and how you play them has to be taken into consideration. Which Sac State team would you consider better this year? A Sac State that is 2-4 and it's 4 losses are getting blown out by Idaho State, Northern Colorado, Savanah State and San Diego or a Sac State team losing close games to Montana, NAU, Weber State and Montana State? Like I said, who you play and how you play them has to be taken into consideration. McNeese State is not as bad as their 2-4 record. Their 4 losses have been to good teams. They play very well against the #4 FCS team and gave the #6 FBS team a good game.

That's BCS talk and there's no room for that stuff in a league that has a playoff system. You can't get to the playoffs based on strength of schedule last time I checked, it's all about wins and who a team has defeated.

Explain that to the Cow Poly and U of San Diego teams that got shafted on the playoffs with outstanding records but no SOS to speak of.

If they were good enough for the playoffs they would have made it, but they didnt. There conference doesnt have an auto bid, therefore they arent entitled to squat. The at large bids, possibly they should have gone undefeated if they wanted one.