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The PAC/MWC Dominoes Begin to Fall

In response to sting and the clown, I don't know what conferences you two have been following the past 30 years but the BSC is a horrid Olympic sports conference, mainly because most of those member institutions barely have the wherewithal to sponsor football, let alone all the other sports that comes along with D1 membership. Sure there may be some exceptions (NAU's national XC dominance) but leaving the BSC for the BW is a no brainer move. It's not even a fair debate to compare the Olympic sports programs of the BW to the BSC. This is a very good move for our programs.

We were in the BSC because we were one of the few public universities in CA to have the balls and fortitude to maintain a football program after all the Title IX fallout in the early 90's. Similar to our situation now, there were limited options in joining a football conference to provide that program a home. If we didn't have the stones to keep football 30+ years ago, we would already be in the BW. Fortunately, the landscape has changed and making a run of it in football independence is palatable which means we can find a better fit for our Olympic programs.
 
Hornet25 said:
He generally aggregates and re-tweets. Not a reporter, but he does get dropped nuggets when it's useful to someone.

Probably heard something, but rumors are flying left and right this week, so wouldn't hold my breath.
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Yeah that would be my guess too - I would not be surprised if there was a last-minute push in the background by Dr. Wood and company to get a football only invite for the PAC. I'm sure we are throwing out very low or no media payouts during the first deal. Also, the PAC institutions need 8 football schools by 7/1/26, but adding just Texas State still leaves FIVE OOC games to schedule each year. The argument for Sacramento has always been market size, ease of travel, and potential.

I still don't think we're truly in the mix, but I can see where dudes trying to get clicks think we're an interesting longshot.
 
SDHornet said:
In response to sting and the clown, I don't know what conferences you two have been following the past 30 years but the BSC is a horrid Olympic sports conference, mainly because most of those member institutions barely have the wherewithal to sponsor football, let alone all the other sports that comes along with D1 membership. Sure there may be some exceptions (NAU's national XC dominance) but leaving the BSC for the BW is a no brainer move. It's not even a fair debate to compare the Olympic sports programs of the BW to the BSC. This is a very good move for our programs.

We were in the BSC because we were one of the few public universities in CA to have the balls and fortitude to maintain a football program after all the Title IX fallout in the early 90's. Similar to our situation now, there were limited options in joining a football conference to provide that program a home. If we didn't have the stones to keep football 30+ years ago, we would already be in the BW. Fortunately, the landscape has changed and making a run of it in football independence is palatable which means we can find a better fit for our Olympic programs.
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The Big West is about as low as its ever been, while I would say the Big Sky has had some improvements and has been adding sports.

I think the Big West is better for Volleyball, Baseball and Softball. For the rest of our programs, I think it's a slight step down. Men's Soccer has already been competing there, but its a bad conference overall. Basketball is an absolute wash, especially when you consider that the Big West was a multiple bid league in our lifetimes.
 
stingthemgood said:
The Big West is about as low as its ever been, while I would say the Big Sky has had some improvements and has been adding sports.

I think the Big West is better for Volleyball, Baseball and Softball. For the rest of our programs, I think it's a slight step down. Men's Soccer has already been competing there, but its a bad conference overall. Basketball is an absolute wash, especially when you consider that the Big West was a multiple bid league in our lifetimes.
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Nah, you gotta do better than the "trust me bro" on this statement. Reference some metrics or rankings to support your argument, because I don't see anything other than XC that the BSC is better than the BW in, but maybe I missed something.
 
stingthemgood said:
The Big West is about as low as its ever been, while I would say the Big Sky has had some improvements and has been adding sports.

I think the Big West is better for Volleyball, Baseball and Softball. For the rest of our programs, I think it's a slight step down. Men's Soccer has already been competing there, but its a bad conference overall. Basketball is an absolute wash, especially when you consider that the Big West was a multiple bid league in our lifetimes.
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The Big West was 12th in the NET rankings this year for men's hoops, the Big Sky was 21st. What are you even smoking?
 
stingthemgood said:
I was operating under the policy of "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" but I have to weigh in at this point.

While the BW conference saves travel costs exponentially for our programs -- you do not leave your conference and sign a new conference deal when your goal is to then hope to move to a third conference in 2-3 years. This puts you in a recruiting and scheduling hellscape. Basketball and Football will be fine -- the rest of the sports will have very little clue the amount of non-conference games they'll have, nor will they have a clue of who the opponents will be to sell to recruits.

Say what you will about the savings -- but you can no longer sell traveling to some of the most beautiful parts of the country (and Moscow) playing against passionate fan bases to recruits. You will sell going to Long Beach to play in front of a 1/5th full Walter Pyramid with fans that won't clap for the defense chant, yet alone say it out loud.
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You also sell recruits on going to La Jolla, Orange County and - I'm obviously biased - Santa Barbara. Beautiful parts of the country.
Salt Lake City too.
 
HeavyistheClown said:
Yeah, sports and passionate in the BW don’t equate. Instead of the bus league, this will be the commuter league made up of schools that invest half of what Sac does in their sports, with many, if not all with sub par D1 facilities just like the Hornets who are trying to distance themselves from staring in the mirror.

If you are obese and trying to lose weight, you don’t hang out with the neighborhood kids at the same ice cream parlor.
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"made up of schools that invest half of what Sac does in our sports."

I can't complain if this is the result of said investment. Producing NBA players and NBA champions.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937043445018755247
 
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HeavyistheClown isn't giving enough credit to BW venues. Especially the other incoming members of Utah Valley and Cal Baptist. While they aren't palaces, they aren't glorified gyms either. I haven't been there yet but l think Cal Baptist will have the nicest arena in the league.

UVU will have the largest basketball arena by capacity and has invested in other facilities. Namely breaking ground on a new soccer stadium in 2024.
www.uvu.edu

UVU Celebrates Groundbreaking for UCCU Soccer Stadium

Hundreds of Utah Valley University soccer fans and community members joined with Wolverine student-athletes and university leaders on April 9 to celebrate and break ground on the new UCCU Stadium, a soccer-specific facility to be built on UVU’s Orem Campus.
www.uvu.edu

Just a sample size of what you're going to see.
 
jdgaucho said:
HeavyistheClown isn't giving enough credit to BW venues. Especially the other incoming members of Utah Valley and Cal Baptist. While they aren't palaces, they aren't glorified gyms either. I haven't been there yet but l think Cal Baptist will have the nicest arena in the league.

UVU will have the largest basketball arena by capacity and has invested in other facilities. Namely breaking ground on a new soccer stadium in 2024.
www.uvu.edu

UVU Celebrates Groundbreaking for UCCU Soccer Stadium

Hundreds of Utah Valley University soccer fans and community members joined with Wolverine student-athletes and university leaders on April 9 to celebrate and break ground on the new UCCU Stadium, a soccer-specific facility to be built on UVU’s Orem Campus.
www.uvu.edu

Just a sample size of what you're going to see.
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But not your gym... lol
 
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