Tie - Breaker if EWU & UND run the table

[dudeitsaid]

It's a little early for this, as there is a lot of football to still be played. But there are three teams that are currently undefeated in league play. UND has the easiest road to run the table, but do face a resurgent Weber team that could knock them off of their pedestal. Weber could also potentially run the table in league play, though they face both UND and Cal Poly, so they would have to be the real deal to pull it off. We have, IMO, the toughest slate to stay unblemished. UM will be tough, and Cal Poly will be tougher. And then, we will be PSU's superbowl, and they often make it a tough game, even if they aren't strong.

That being said, it would be interesting to end up at the end tied with a BSC team that we haven't played with both teams having zero losses. It seems to me, it would be settled by the Sagarin, if they stuck with the tie-breaker rules from 2014. If that's the case, it should be EWU.


http://www.bigskyconf.com/news/2014/11/14/FB_1114145749.aspx

2014 -TIE-BREAKER
When two or more Conference members are tied in the final Conference standings, the tie shall be broken for purposes of determining the NCAA FCS automatic bid only, and shall be determined on the following basis:
1. Head-to-head Competition
2.Record against common CONFERENCE opponents in descending order
3. Record against common NON-CONFERENCE opponents
4. Sagarin Rating
5. Coin Flip

 

[dudeitsaid]

Current Sagarin Ratings for top BSC teams:

1 EWU - Currently 86 overall
2 UM - 94th
3 Cal Poly - 117
4 UND - 131
5 NAU - 141
6 SUU - 155
7 Weber - 175

I don't think UND or Weber would catch us even if either win out. Crazy NAU is currently above SUU or Weber. Not that Sagarin is keying in on the inner workings of the BSC, but NAU is not the same team without Cookus.

 

[LDopaPDX]

Coin flip? You'd be talking about a one-in-a-million scenario where teams are tied in the Sagarin.

 

[SloStang]

It's a little early for this, as there is a lot of football to still be played. But there are three teams that are currently undefeated in league play. UND has the easiest road to run the table, but do face a resurgent Weber team that could knock them off of their pedestal. Weber could also potentially run the table in league play, though they face both UND and Cal Poly, so they would have to be the real deal to pull it off. We have, IMO, the toughest slate to stay unblemished. UM will be tough, and Cal Poly will be tougher. And then, we will be PSU's superbowl, and they often make it a tough game, even if they aren't strong.

That being said, it would be interesting to end up at the end tied with a BSC team that we haven't played with both teams having zero losses. It seems to me, it would be settled by the Sagarin, if they stuck with the tie-breaker rules from 2014. If that's the case, it should be EWU.


http://www.bigskyconf.com/news/2014/11/14/FB_1114145749.aspx

2014 -TIE-BREAKER
When two or more Conference members are tied in the final Conference standings, the tie shall be broken for purposes of determining the NCAA FCS automatic bid only, and shall be determined on the following basis:
1. Head-to-head Competition
2.Record against common CONFERENCE opponents in descending order
3. Record against common NON-CONFERENCE opponents
4. Sagarin Rating
5. Coin Flip

Probably stating the obvious, but both teams would be Co Big Sky Champions. The tie breaker is only for the auto bid.

 

[dudeitsaid]

It's a little early for this, as there is a lot of football to still be played. But there are three teams that are currently undefeated in league play. UND has the easiest road to run the table, but do face a resurgent Weber team that could knock them off of their pedestal. Weber could also potentially run the table in league play, though they face both UND and Cal Poly, so they would have to be the real deal to pull it off. We have, IMO, the toughest slate to stay unblemished. UM will be tough, and Cal Poly will be tougher. And then, we will be PSU's superbowl, and they often make it a tough game, even if they aren't strong.

That being said, it would be interesting to end up at the end tied with a BSC team that we haven't played with both teams having zero losses. It seems to me, it would be settled by the Sagarin, if they stuck with the tie-breaker rules from 2014. If that's the case, it should be EWU.


http://www.bigskyconf.com/news/2014/11/14/FB_1114145749.aspx

2014 -TIE-BREAKER
When two or more Conference members are tied in the final Conference standings, the tie shall be broken for purposes of determining the NCAA FCS automatic bid only, and shall be determined on the following basis:
1. Head-to-head Competition
2.Record against common CONFERENCE opponents in descending order
3. Record against common NON-CONFERENCE opponents
4. Sagarin Rating
5. Coin Flip

Probably stating the obvious, but both teams would be Co Big Sky Champions. The tie breaker is only for the auto bid.

Exactly, and if both ran the table, they would both be in the playoffs no matter who won the autobid, so it wouldn't make for much but an interesting discussion.

And to Dopa's point, I thought that was funny regarding the Sagarin, then coin flip as well. :lol: Guess they gotta plan for every contingency!

 

[ewueagle2010]

If EWU runs the table, they'll be a 1 or 2 seed with home field throughout the playoffs, with or without the autobid.

 

[Siouxfan512]

If both win out, is there a chance of both being seeded? If this were to happen, I don't think it is even a discussion that EWU gets the edge with their strength of schedule. Just curious if we could see two teams seeded, or if that may come down to what happens in other conferences.

Definitely a lot that can still happen in the next month or so.

 

[marceagfan5]

If both win out, is there a chance of both being seeded? If this were to happen, I don't think it is even a discussion that EWU gets the edge with their strength of schedule. Just curious if we could see two teams seeded, or if that may come down to what happens in other conferences.

Definitely a lot that can still happen in the next month or so.

Yes....I'd put EWU in the 1-3 seed and UND 6-8

 

[sammamisheag]

If both win out, EWU will have a Top 4 seed based on their schedule.

UND won't have ranked team on their schedule for the whole season.

 

[EWU98]

Ouch no ranked teams for UND is going to hurt them seriously. That's too bad.

 

[marceagfan5]

If both win out, EWU will have a Top 4 seed based on their schedule.

UND won't have ranked team on their schedule for the whole season.

Stoney brook and cal poly are both ranked, South Dakota is just on the outside as well

 

[scottywashere11]

A little off topic, but does anyone know of a website that tracks FCS football team series? For instance, if I wanted to look at the historical wins vs losses between EWU & UND, EWU & MSU, etc... The Wikipedia page for the Governors Cup does a great job at tracking this between EWU and UM.

 

[marceagfan5]

A little off topic, but does anyone know of a website that tracks FCS football team series? For instance, if I wanted to look at the historical wins vs losses between EWU & UND, EWU & MSU, etc... The Wikipedia page for the Governors Cup does a great job at tracking this between EWU and UM.

The eastern athletic website has it, for opponents we play this year

 

[scottywashere11]

A little off topic, but does anyone know of a website that tracks FCS football team series? For instance, if I wanted to look at the historical wins vs losses between EWU & UND, EWU & MSU, etc... The Wikipedia page for the Governors Cup does a great job at tracking this between EWU and UM.

The eastern athletic website has it, for opponents we play this year

Awesome! Thanks marc!

 

[WILDCAT]

A little off topic, but does anyone know of a website that tracks FCS football team series? For instance, if I wanted to look at the historical wins vs losses between EWU & UND, EWU & MSU, etc... The Wikipedia page for the Governors Cup does a great job at tracking this between EWU and UM.

I use this site quite a bit, it is updated at the end of every football season and is very accurate. Just Pick Eastern Washington from the Div 1aa tab on the top and then select opponents on the left side of the page and it will have a list of EVERY opponent Eastern has played and records against.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/

 

[scottywashere11]

A little off topic, but does anyone know of a website that tracks FCS football team series? For instance, if I wanted to look at the historical wins vs losses between EWU & UND, EWU & MSU, etc... The Wikipedia page for the Governors Cup does a great job at tracking this between EWU and UM.

I use this site quite a bit, it is updated at the end of every football season and is very accurate. Just Pick Eastern Washington from the Div 1aa tab on the top and then select opponents on the left side of the page and it will have a list of EVERY opponent Eastern has played and records against.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/

This is SO cool. It is exactly what I was hoping to find! Thanks Wildcat!

 

[mtgrizfankb1]

No chance UND gets a seed. Even if they win out they ain't getting a seed. Best chance for the sky to get two seeds is UM wins out and EWU only loses to UM. That would put EWU at like. 5-6 and UM at a 7-8. UND just isn't a able to jump enough teams to get to the top 8. Unless EWU and UM both lose a game thennnn maybe UND gets a seed. I just don't think anyone outside of the sky thinks UND is legit. That being said I see EWU as 3-4 and no other sky member seeded.

 

[WILDCAT]

A little off topic, but does anyone know of a website that tracks FCS football team series? For instance, if I wanted to look at the historical wins vs losses between EWU & UND, EWU & MSU, etc... The Wikipedia page for the Governors Cup does a great job at tracking this between EWU and UM.

I use this site quite a bit, it is updated at the end of every football season and is very accurate. Just Pick Eastern Washington from the Div 1aa tab on the top and then select opponents on the left side of the page and it will have a list of EVERY opponent Eastern has played and records against.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/

This is SO cool. It is exactly what I was hoping to find! Thanks Wildcat!

:thumb:

 

[kalm]

No chance UND gets a seed. Even if they win out they ain't getting a seed. Best chance for the sky to get two seeds is UM wins out and EWU only loses to UM. That would put EWU at like. 5-6 and UM at a 7-8. UND just isn't a able to jump enough teams to get to the top 8. Unless EWU and UM both lose a game thennnn maybe UND gets a seed. I just don't think anyone outside of the sky thinks UND is legit. That being said I see EWU as 3-4 and no other sky member seeded.

Seedimg is not based on conference affiliation. If UND and UM both win out, UND has a better resume. They would also have a better resume than UTC who finishes with Wofford and Bama. The MVFC and CAA one loss teams all play each other. UND would definitely be in the discussion.

Griz are now hearing footsteps from both directions...

 

[mtgrizfankb1]

No chance UND gets a seed. Even if they win out they ain't getting a seed. Best chance for the sky to get two seeds is UM wins out and EWU only loses to UM. That would put EWU at like. 5-6 and UM at a 7-8. UND just isn't a able to jump enough teams to get to the top 8. Unless EWU and UM both lose a game thennnn maybe UND gets a seed. I just don't think anyone outside of the sky thinks UND is legit. That being said I see EWU as 3-4 and no other sky member seeded.

Seedimg is not based on conference affiliation. If UND and UM both win out, UND has a better resume. They would also have a better resume than UTC who finishes with Wofford and Bama. The MVFC and CAA one loss teams all play each other. UND would definitely be in the discussion.

Griz are now hearing footsteps from both directions...

Nobody said it was based on conf affiliation....plus UND doesn't have a better resume. They wont have a top 25 win. SD won't be top 25 at year end and Cal Poly has EWU and Weber left, if they lose again I doubt they stay 25 material. Montana in this senerio would have a EWU win and a road loss to a just outside top 25 team and UND would have a loss to a just outside 25 team. Montana would have a 1 loss record and UND would have 2 losses. One FBS I know. Plus Montana has history on their side. Unfair as it is the committee with 100% give a seed or home game to Montana WAY before a 1st time playoff team in UND. I don't think this happens anyway as I think EWU wins out and is the lone Seed from the sky