Randy Stewart, who is currently the secondary coach at CAL, has always thought sac state should be a national power house at the fcs level. Pretty sure he will go after the job if it comes available. I know he would do a great job. He has coach d1 football for 30+ years, as well as recruited California and built relationships up and down the state for 30+ years.
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Green Laser
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sac916 said:
30 years as a position coach never even a coordinator? No thanks!
Green Laser
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sac916 said:
Where and how successful?
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The Fresno State defense had its strongest season during Stewart's three-year stint as defensive coordinator in 2010 when the Bulldogs ranked second in the Western Athletic Conference in pass defense (208.77 ypg), fourth in total defense (367.23 ypg), fourth in rushing defense (158.46 ypg) and fifth in scoring defense (30.00) while holding five opponents to 20 points or fewer. Fresno State was also known for making big plays, ranking second in the WAC and tied for ninth nationally by averaging 2.85 sacks per game with a total of 37.0 (-240 yards).
In his first game as Fresno State's defensive coordinator in 2009 the Bulldogs pitched a shutout against UC Davis. Fresno State would finish third in the WAC in 2009 in both scoring defense (28.38 ppg) and pass defense (199.62 ypg), ranking 32nd nationally in the latter.
The Fresno State defense had its strongest season during Stewart's three-year stint as defensive coordinator in 2010 when the Bulldogs ranked second in the Western Athletic Conference in pass defense (208.77 ypg), fourth in total defense (367.23 ypg), fourth in rushing defense (158.46 ypg) and fifth in scoring defense (30.00) while holding five opponents to 20 points or fewer. Fresno State was also known for making big plays, ranking second in the WAC and tied for ninth nationally by averaging 2.85 sacks per game with a total of 37.0 (-240 yards).
In his first game as Fresno State's defensive coordinator in 2009 the Bulldogs pitched a shutout against UC Davis. Fresno State would finish third in the WAC in 2009 in both scoring defense (28.38 ppg) and pass defense (199.62 ypg), ranking 32nd nationally in the latter.
OldSchoolHornet
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The ONLY chance we have to get things on the right track is to get rid of Wanless and Sperbeck.
Can anyone name a major booster that has stepped forward during the Wanless era who has given even the slightest indication that Wanless had anything to do with bringing them and their money on board? I'm not talking about Wanless taking credit for money that Bob Mattos raised...I'm not talking about the good ol' boy cash that Dick Sperbeck has raised to keep his son's job...I'm talking about people who have put up significant money because they having a working relationship with the AD. I personally have never heard of one.
In all fairness, Sperbeck is better than Mooshagian, but that's about it. Wanless hired both of them, so don't expect him to fire Sperbeck at the risk of admitting he went 0-2 in the football HC hiring department.
For the guy making jokes about Sac State's football legacy...feel free to stop by the Alumni pregame tent before the Davis game and talk to ex-players from the '88 team who never ever lost a game to the Aggies...including beating them twice in the same season...who won 10 games in a season...and who went to the semi's in the national playoffs.
The staff at the time was Bob Mattos and a bunch of quality assistants who truly understood Hornet Football. Not all of them played for Sac State, but enough of them did to allow the staff to understand where the program had been and where it needed to go next.
Can anyone name a major booster that has stepped forward during the Wanless era who has given even the slightest indication that Wanless had anything to do with bringing them and their money on board? I'm not talking about Wanless taking credit for money that Bob Mattos raised...I'm not talking about the good ol' boy cash that Dick Sperbeck has raised to keep his son's job...I'm talking about people who have put up significant money because they having a working relationship with the AD. I personally have never heard of one.
In all fairness, Sperbeck is better than Mooshagian, but that's about it. Wanless hired both of them, so don't expect him to fire Sperbeck at the risk of admitting he went 0-2 in the football HC hiring department.
For the guy making jokes about Sac State's football legacy...feel free to stop by the Alumni pregame tent before the Davis game and talk to ex-players from the '88 team who never ever lost a game to the Aggies...including beating them twice in the same season...who won 10 games in a season...and who went to the semi's in the national playoffs.
The staff at the time was Bob Mattos and a bunch of quality assistants who truly understood Hornet Football. Not all of them played for Sac State, but enough of them did to allow the staff to understand where the program had been and where it needed to go next.
OldSchoolHornet said:
I was there in '88, that year got me hooked on Hornet football. It has been downhill ever since. Some exceptional players at times, but overall, lacking.
josephpoint
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yes that was a wonderful year. Ending the 18 years of losses to the Aggies and going oh so close to the Div II national championship game.
Then you haven't been paying close attention. Here is a link to endowments of 10k+ made to various Hornet programs: http://www.hornetsports.com/fan_info/hornetclub/endowmentsOldSchoolHornet said:
Note that most of those have been made since Wanless has been here.
Recent upgrades to the women's hoops and gymnastics locker rooms were recently completed. This money didn't come from a tree. Also this Heritage Room just came online: http://www.hornetsports.com/generalnews/heritageroom
Now was all this 100% Wanless' doing? Probably not, but they got done under his watch so he gets to claim the successes along with the failures.
There was also funding for the fieldhouse, and donors that were lined up for the event center before it was skuttled in '07. Not sure if Wanless had much to do with that or if it was mainly Gonzalez but that effort will need to be repeated to line up funds for the event center planned to break ground in late '14. More should have been done but it wasn't, more needs to be done to get where we need to be.Fund raising needs to get better, that why Nelligan was brought on board to help with those issues.
Sperbeck's hire wasn't a total bust. He rebuilt the program and made national headlines without the use of a can of Pam. I agree this program has gone as far as it can under Sperbeck and it's time for a change, but Sperbeck does deserve some credit for at least bringing some relevance back to Hornet football.
Pretty sure you are referring to me. The fact that you have to go back to the D2 days in '88 to find any Hornet football relevance speaks volume to the "legacy" we have. We need someone capable of taking this program to the next level, and quite frankly I don't see how being a Hornet alum is a prerequisite for that task. If Hornet FB alumni wants to take over the reigns and have one of "their guys" calling the shots, I sure as hell hope the folks prompting this idea open their wallets and bring some stadium upgrades with them.
OldSchoolHornet
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To the contrary...I've been paying very close attention. It seems as though you have too and yet you can't produce any evidence of a single entity that has come out publicly and stated Wanless is the reason they came forward with their money. Or, maybe you didn't understand the question.
I never said Sperbeck's hire was a total bust but the fact is he has only ever managed to win six games in any season. He has not built a staff or a solid program and there is absolutely no indication he ever will. If/when we only win four or five games this year what do you think his excuse will be? Does he get credit for that?
As far as the legacy situation...those players and coaches who were involved in the late 80's are absolutely the reason we are in the Big Sky today. In anticipation of moving to 1AA Bob Mattos scheduled Big Sky opponents and those Hornet teams found a way to compete and win at that level with as few as 22 scholarships. That is absolutely the definition of legacy. After Mike Clemons bailed to UOP a handful of loyal assistants and John Volek literally saved the football program. Without those coaches and a handful of exceedingly loyal players we would be Hayward, Chico, SF State...again, legacy. Other than Bob Mattos saving the program in the early 80's there has never been a more significant act. I don't care if it happened in the 80's and 90's, those events are the definition of legacy. I completely understand your feelings regarding Mooshagian and Sperbeck as far as not continuing the legacy. With the resources that were made available to them relative to the resources that were provided to their predecessors they should have taken this program MUCH further. They were obviously not the right men for the job and that brings us right back to Wanless.
I never said Sperbeck's hire was a total bust but the fact is he has only ever managed to win six games in any season. He has not built a staff or a solid program and there is absolutely no indication he ever will. If/when we only win four or five games this year what do you think his excuse will be? Does he get credit for that?
As far as the legacy situation...those players and coaches who were involved in the late 80's are absolutely the reason we are in the Big Sky today. In anticipation of moving to 1AA Bob Mattos scheduled Big Sky opponents and those Hornet teams found a way to compete and win at that level with as few as 22 scholarships. That is absolutely the definition of legacy. After Mike Clemons bailed to UOP a handful of loyal assistants and John Volek literally saved the football program. Without those coaches and a handful of exceedingly loyal players we would be Hayward, Chico, SF State...again, legacy. Other than Bob Mattos saving the program in the early 80's there has never been a more significant act. I don't care if it happened in the 80's and 90's, those events are the definition of legacy. I completely understand your feelings regarding Mooshagian and Sperbeck as far as not continuing the legacy. With the resources that were made available to them relative to the resources that were provided to their predecessors they should have taken this program MUCH further. They were obviously not the right men for the job and that brings us right back to Wanless.
I understand the question. You want a donor to come out banging a drum by having a press release that they donated money because Wanless asked the, otherwise you won’t believe Wanless had anything to do with it. Bottom line is money has been and is being raised for endowments, scholarships and some minor upgrades. Someone has to facilitate those people to open their wallets, whether or not it is directly because of Wanless doesn’t take away from that fact that donations are being made.OldSchoolHornet said:
Claiming Wanless is 0-2 on coaching hires sounds like you are writing off Sperbecks accomplishments. Sperbeck made this program relevant, even with his 6 win peak. We are no longer that guaranteed win people see on their schedule. 2 Pac12 wins and a win over Montana are something no other Hornet coach can claim. He should have had more wins against the top BSC programs (EWU, UM, MSU) and he should have more Causeway wins. Sperbeck sure as hell takes the blame for failing to get this program to the next level (BSC Championship and/or playoffs); no one is arguing that.
I’m not knocking what past Hornets have done on and off the field. I’m doubting that there are any Hornet alums out there qualified and experienced to take this program to the next level (BSC Championship and/or playoffs). It’s great there have been people around that kept this program alive and they should be celebrated, but what does that have to do with our current situation? Are any of those guys you mentioned going to throw their hat in the ring for next HC? Are any of those guys going to lead fundraising efforts to bolster the program under a new HC? Why is being a Hornet alum a perquisite to be named the next head coach? What Hornet alums out there are qualified and capable of taking this program to the next level? My point remains that limiting the next HC hire to “Hornet alums only” makes no sense at all.
Hornet football has moved passed the "survival" stage (thanks to that legacy you reference) and imo has moved past the "rebuilding" stage (thanks to Sperbeck). The next HC needs to take this program such that we are regularly competing for BSC titles and landing regular playoff berths. If the next HC doesn't/can't do that then we are taking a step backwards.
OldSchoolHornet
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Thank you for admitting not one single booster has ever credited Wanless as a prominent piece of the fundraising equation. There are many people on the Sac State payroll whose livelihood depends on them bringing in booster money. To say Wanless has been a paramount figure in fundraising is absurd...if he left tomorrow their jobs would be easier and fundraising would increase. Feel free to ask one of them.
With the level of resources, time and support Sperbeck has been given he has CLEARLY underperformed. Losing six or seven games a year and getting out-coached by the Aggies has not helped the image of our football program. He is just the wrong guy and he has proven it redundantly...I haven't heard him take the blame for that. I'm not saying he's a bad guy...I'm saying he has badly mismanaged the resources he has been given.
Your position of not considering ex-Hornets for the next HC is about as rational as thinking they should only consider ex-Hornets. Open it up and see who shows up. Now that they are paying $200+ there will some interest that has not been there in the past. There are two or three legitimate candidates that fall into the ex-Hornet category (and no, I'm not talking Greg or Clancy)
The suggestion of Randy Stewart was intriguing...although I was surprised only one guy on this site seemed to know who he is. Last time around Lyle Setencich inquired about the job and your guy Wanless didn't know who he was, so don't feel badly.
With the level of resources, time and support Sperbeck has been given he has CLEARLY underperformed. Losing six or seven games a year and getting out-coached by the Aggies has not helped the image of our football program. He is just the wrong guy and he has proven it redundantly...I haven't heard him take the blame for that. I'm not saying he's a bad guy...I'm saying he has badly mismanaged the resources he has been given.
Your position of not considering ex-Hornets for the next HC is about as rational as thinking they should only consider ex-Hornets. Open it up and see who shows up. Now that they are paying $200+ there will some interest that has not been there in the past. There are two or three legitimate candidates that fall into the ex-Hornet category (and no, I'm not talking Greg or Clancy)
The suggestion of Randy Stewart was intriguing...although I was surprised only one guy on this site seemed to know who he is. Last time around Lyle Setencich inquired about the job and your guy Wanless didn't know who he was, so don't feel badly.
So then who do you attribute the recent donations to? Note: I won’t believe you unless you provide a link to a presser providing full disclosure on who enticed the contribution.OldSchoolHornet said:
BTW here is a nifty little link to the basic Hornet financials since ’05. Contributions have tripled, ticket sales have doubled, and licensing fees and whatever “other” is have almost doubled thru ’12.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/
Agreed. He is the wrong guy to get us to the next level, but based on his body of work he was apparently the right guy to pull this program out of the gutter.
I’ve never advocated for this. Go back and re-read my comments in this thread (hint: it’s my first post on page 2).
OldSchoolHornet
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Guess I got confused when I read your statement..."I'm doubting there are any Hornet alums out there qualified and experienced to take this program to the next level."
You still have not provided a lick of proof that Wanless has been instrumental in any specific area of fundraising. Hell, Dick and his scotch and Geritol drinking Fabulous Forties Crew raise more money for football than Wanless ever will...and he knows it. And no, I don't have a "presser" for that fact. :lol:
You still have not provided a lick of proof that Wanless has been instrumental in any specific area of fundraising. Hell, Dick and his scotch and Geritol drinking Fabulous Forties Crew raise more money for football than Wanless ever will...and he knows it. And no, I don't have a "presser" for that fact. :lol:
superhornet
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Hornets to consider:
Angus McClure
Jon Osterhout
Non-Hornets:
Mike Canales
Mike Van Diest
I have no shred of evidence on their level of interest, but they would ALL be good hires. I know nothing about these others who have been mentioned, but would be willing to listen.
I would also be willing to consider SD for the job....
Angus McClure
Jon Osterhout
Non-Hornets:
Mike Canales
Mike Van Diest
I have no shred of evidence on their level of interest, but they would ALL be good hires. I know nothing about these others who have been mentioned, but would be willing to listen.
I would also be willing to consider SD for the job....
HornetHope
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Sperbeck will get an admin job...done too much and Dick's money etc are too important.
For all the kicking the mule we have done, the guy HAS got us to a place that intrigues some coaches. Very few were interested in a HC job without an O Coordinator for the first 5 years of the job. We peaked as a middle of the pack, but heck of alot better than duking it out with ISU for the gutter.
BTW I was here for "legacy" in 83,84,85,86,87,88. I remember the legacy of the 58-12 whoopins by the manure pile.
I also remember the "legacy" for the season in 1988. Down 27-0 at Cow Poly, Mattos thought he would humiliate his team by sticking the 3rd string Tony Trosin in. Who went in the game and threw 4 TD's over 300 yds. He remained QB rest of the season but only b/c the HC put himself in that spot. That legacy was so good that the Trosin boys chose to attend Sac State....er....uh....Cal Poly?
No, the FB team was not the reason we went DI, there were a few active in student govt that pushed through a student initiative, and got Dr. Gerth to approve it...
For all the kicking the mule we have done, the guy HAS got us to a place that intrigues some coaches. Very few were interested in a HC job without an O Coordinator for the first 5 years of the job. We peaked as a middle of the pack, but heck of alot better than duking it out with ISU for the gutter.
BTW I was here for "legacy" in 83,84,85,86,87,88. I remember the legacy of the 58-12 whoopins by the manure pile.
I also remember the "legacy" for the season in 1988. Down 27-0 at Cow Poly, Mattos thought he would humiliate his team by sticking the 3rd string Tony Trosin in. Who went in the game and threw 4 TD's over 300 yds. He remained QB rest of the season but only b/c the HC put himself in that spot. That legacy was so good that the Trosin boys chose to attend Sac State....er....uh....Cal Poly?
No, the FB team was not the reason we went DI, there were a few active in student govt that pushed through a student initiative, and got Dr. Gerth to approve it...
Green Laser
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sac916 said:
Are you Randy or his kid? All of your posts have to do with a guy no one has heard of and seems to have a less than compelling resume.
Green Laser
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HornetHope said:
I can't remember exactly what happened in the 1988 Cal Poly game. I thought that the story was that Dano Graves' dad was a LB for Poly and put our starting QB out opening the door for Tony Trosin to take over.
The original plan from the mid 80s when Tom Pucci was AD was that basketball would lead us to D1 not football. The plan was to have basketball and other sports go D1 and have a full scholarship
D2 football program which would follow when ready. That plan was blown up when the NCAA required schools to have all sports D1 or none which killed D2 in the west and forced our hand.
Super Hornet said:
No, no, no
