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WAC: Highlights from Commissioner Karl Benson

BroadwayVik

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Here are the highlights from the call, which lasted nearly 90 minutes.

* In opening statement, Benson calls moves by Nevada and Fresno State “selfish actions.”

* Says WAC will pursue current FBS and FCS schools for expansion options.

* Says Nevada did not sign binding agreement but that UN president Milt Glick agreed to the agreement in subsequent call with Benson. WAC legal counsel thinks Reno campus will be held to the verbal agreement.

* Thinks there’s an opportunity to structure an arrangement that would allow BYU to be part of the WAC in some form.

* Says discussions with BYU began in July.

* Binding agreement introduced to WAC board a week ago Monday — knowing that if the BYU piece fell into place that the MWC might make a run at existing WAC members: “We took that action to deter a school from accepting an invitation from the Mountain West.

* “I don’t think at this juncture we’re prepared to rule out non-football members.”

* Eight schools is the goal to re-establishing the football structure.

* Transition period from FCS schools making the jump to FBS. “We’re going to focus on trying to identify current FBS members … and had discussions with other FBS schools that are within the WAC footprint.”

*Learned of decisions by FSU and Nevada at 5 p.m. yesterday on three-way teleconference with the school presidents.

* On moves by FSU and Nevada: ”The other six WAC board members were under the belief that the action taken by the eight schools last Friday indicated a willingness to move this forward knowing the potential outcome would have included BYU and would have stabilized the WAC. On Friday, there was expressed solidarity and four days later there was a departure.”

* WAC expects $5 million payments from Nevada and Fresno State within 60 days.

* Nevada and FSU failed to meet the WAC’s July 1 deadline to leave after the 2010-11 school year. “At this juncture, I would expect the to WAC enforce participation in the 2011 season.”

* Is WAC still alive as an option for BYU? “I would hope that’s the case.”

* On the remaining members: “I believe strongly that the six schools that are left are in better shape than Boise State was when it joined the WAC in 2001.”

* “In preliminary discussion about what the arrangement (with BYU) would look like, we were looking at four-to-six football games per year that we would provide.”

* WAC would not seek any legal action against BYU if the Cougars don’t join in all sports save football.

* On apparent predatory relationship between WAC and MWC: “Craig (Thompson) has a job to do, and I have a job to do … I don’t look at it as necessarily predatory. In today’s intercollegiate environment, it has become fairly routine.”

* MWC’s move “certainly did not surprise me … and was the reason we adopted the binding agreement last Friday.”

* Six members required for NCAA championship events (i.e., March Madness) but seat at BCS table is probably subject for review.

* Moratorium on FCS schools moving to FBS expires next summer. Schools would apply to NCAA next June and be eligible for bowl games in second year of FBS play. In other words: new WAC members (coming from FCS) would be eligible for its bowl games in 2013.

* “There are schools in the WAC footprint that could be the next Boise State.”

* Asked about UC Davis and Sacramento State (and Poly) as candidates: “They have components that would allow them to make the move if they decided. We’ve had conversations with those schools in the past. Whether this is the time, those are institutional decisions … The WAC would look at them as potential candidates.”

* On the departure penalty: “I wish at this time that I would have made it $20 million.”

* On current ESPN contract: “It’s subject to renegotiation. At some point, once the dust settles … we’ll sit down with ESPN and determine what the terms of the contract will be.”

* Had a conference call this morning with remaining six members and believes there is support to move forward. But schools will ultimately act “in their best interest.”

* “In my opinion, it was very clear that Fresno State and Nevada invitations a direct result of BYU’s interest in going independent and going into the WAC.”

* Is the WAC’s survival in jeopardy? “Absolutely not. We have the commitments from the presidents and chancellors that they are prepared to move forward under the WAC umbrella.”

* On Louisiana Tech jumping to C-USA: “We’ve known Conference USA would be a better geographic fit … Our dependency on Louisana Tech more of a priority. (It) has become an even more valuable member of the WAC.”

* “Good assumption” that the WAC will pursue eastern schools in order to provide good geographic fits for LaTech.

* Nevada and Fresno State won’t be eligible for their revenue distributions following the 2011-12 season.

* Earliest WAC would add new members is 2012.

* On Texas-San Antonio (a football startup) as possible addition: “I’m sure they will be on our list. Texas State has also been a school that has shown tremendous potential.”

* Was the binding agreement actually signed? “There are seven signed agreements in a file in the WAC office.” (Nevada is the exception.) Remaining six schools are not bound by it.

* On Montana jumping to FBS: “(It) would be another prospective candidate.”

* Chances of adding anyone for 2011-12: “I don’t think it’s possible.”

* On what, if any role Boise State played in Nevada and Fresno State jumping to the MWC: No comment.

* Asked (by me) about bowl partnerships starting in 2012, after Nevada and Fresno State are gone: They will be “subject to discussions. If you look at what we have in place today, we’re very pleased … The current membership and any future members will have to demonstrated that they have value as bowl participants.” (Note: WAC will have two years left on current bowl agreements in the post-Nevada/FSU world).

* Next year is the first year of increased rights fees from ESPN.

* On his future as WAC commissioner: “I’ve been energized by this process. The possibilities with BYU the last six weeks have been stimulating. Now my goal is to take the six schools that are committed to the WAC and put together another structural change for the WAC.”

* Current membership requirement to be a viable NCAA conference is six. In order to be considered a conference, there must be continuity of membership of five years.

* The $10 million in penalty fees due to Fresno State and Nevada could be used to lure new members.

* Asked (by me) about the possibility of expanding to 12 teams and splitting into eastern and western divisions: “That’s fair, assuming that we get into the central time zone more and that, if we have the right schools and the right numbers, that it would balance the east and west. That’s something we’ve considered in the past” (and, he said, would consider in the future).
 
Looks like Montana is looking at moving to the WAC.

http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2010/09/27/bmurphy/wac_membership_committee_hear_presentations_five_schools_includi
 
What?! Moving without MSU?! MSU won't be happy about that.

Sounds like a lot of money for the opportunity to maybe just maybe play in a bowl. Montana already fills their stadium - are they going to build a bigger one? Or will they make up the money with advertising? Or does the TV share of WAC members cover it? They must know something I don't.
 
From the Salt Lake Tribune
Montana has not publicly stated a desire to move up to the Football Bowl Subdivision, but it’s reportedly considering such a move, along with Sacramento State and Portland State.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/sports/50365412-77/state-wac-football-membership.html.csp
 
What the Tribune didn't say was that Montana was also at the meeting in Dallas: they had an "informal" 45 min. meeting. They said they were undertaking a feasibility study of the move, and no decision would be made until the study was done. And, presumably, after talking with MSU.

Funny, they're talking about UTSA as a football school. Going from ground zero to FBS in three years? Hard to believe.

As for PSU, I haven't heard a whisper about making a presentation. I'd be very surprised if we could come up with the money needed to make the move. Too bad, because we're ideally situated for the WAC. PGE is a little small at 20,000, but I reckon the WAC could live with that. We have the media market, and don't threaten anyone's recruitment base.
 
pdxfan said:
As for PSU, I haven't heard a whisper about making a presentation. I'd be very surprised if we could come up with the money needed to make the move.

If Portland State wants to go the WAC they will find a way to get the money and PGE is expandable to 24,000

Some of the smaller stadiums in the WAC
Kibbie Dome: 16,000
Romney Stadium 25,500
 
The WAC met with eight schools, including Texas St., UTSA, Montana and two non football schools, Denver and Seattle, are known/been mentioned in the news.

Who are the other three schools? Is Portland St? Sac St?
 
I'm sure Portland State is in the running. What PSU brings to the conference table is a stadium capable of expansion and the 22nd largest media market in the nation, 6th largest in the West. I think PSU would rise to the challenge, make the necessary adjustments and play competitively well provided an invitation. The Vikings would galvanize as a team and play with greater purpose, a higher sense of mission.

The new uniforms look like FBS unis.

While the WAC is in a need situation now, I think, given their druthers, they would prefer NOT to have geographically-outlying teams like Louisiana Tech in the conference. LA Tech may be able to fill a gap in C-USA should SMU be invited along with TCU into the Big XII. They just played Southern Miss and lost by a single point. They would fit well in to that conference and would undoubtedly prefer playing there.

For that matter, I would prefer WAC membership not dipping into Texas so as to fill in membership with teams from the 11 contiguous Western States and Hawai'i only. That would make the conference truly Western-Athletic. My choice would be to elevate PSU, the Montana's and Sac-Davis.
 
Today, Commissioner Benson said the league could extend invitations in 30 or 60 days. “That’s our goal.”

Montana is considered by Benson as a "mini-Boise State."
 
Seattle U. & University of Denver would fit much, much better in the WCC. The significance of "other-than-football" media markets has them being courted by the WAC, however.

Seattle-Gonzaga
Portland-San Francisco
St. Mary's-Santa Clara

BYU-Denver
Pepperdine-Pacific
LMU-San Diego
 
BroadwayVik said:
Seattle U. & University of Denver would fit much, much better in the WCC. The significance of "other-than-football" media markets has them being courted by the WAC, however.

Seattle-Gonzaga
Portland-San Francisco
St. Mary's-Santa Clara

BYU-Denver
Pepperdine-[TBD]
LMU-San Diego

But the WCC didn't want Seattle or Denver. Neither team, was invited to become the 10th member of the WCC, after BYU was admitted.
 
Their loss. Gonzaga apparently doesn't want Seattle because they're afraid Seattle will gobble up all the Seattle-area recruits. Kind of a grimy, selfish perspective.
 
An e-mail from the Montana AD surfaced and ended up online at the Missoulian. Some of you will find some of this vexing, but it is fascinating to see what would normally never escape the boardroom.

http://m.missoulian.com/article_44bbeda2-cdde-11df-9730-001cc4c002e0.html
 
This has been discussed over on the CollegeChampionship forum ad infinitum. Conclusion is that the AD is not so lightly pushing Montana to the WAC. I'm sure the president of Montana and no few board members are not happy with the "leaking" of this letter to the public. The really laughable part is where he insists that Montana faculty and staff consider themselves as the "peers" of Oregon and Washington (i.e. the Pac-10), not of the Big Sky schools. But the numbers he cites are seriously questioned too. Be interesting to see if he survives this leak.
 
pdxfan said:
This has been discussed over on the CollegeChampionship forum ad infinitum. Conclusion is that the AD is not so lightly pushing Montana to the WAC. I'm sure the president of Montana and no few board members are not happy with the "leaking" of this letter to the public. The really laughable part is where he insists that Montana faculty and staff consider themselves as the "peers" of Oregon and Washington (i.e. the Pac-10), not of the Big Sky schools. But the numbers he cites are seriously questioned too. Be interesting to see if he survives this leak.

Montana is clearly not a peer of Oregon and Washington athletically or academically. Oregon offers sixty something PhDs and UW half again more? Montana offers twenty?
 
Well, you can't blame them for trying. Like UO and OSU, Montana and MSU sit as the only universities in the state, with Montana clearly the flagship. They have around 15,000 students, 2500 of them grad students. They have a law school and school of journalism - on the surface they look like a miniature UO. Very small "traditional" grad programs - PSU comes close to matching them in no. of Phd programs. They don't come even close to UO in that. Nor in endowment. Nor, as you say, in athletics. I don't think any serious faculty at Montana would claim parity with UO (or UW). If the AD really heard this, he heard it from a dean or two - and we know how reality-bound they are.

No, this letter is from an AD who wants Montana to move to the WAC. He'll make a lot more money in the WAC - though Monana may go broke.
 
Please provide the link to that forum.

The way that read to me is O'Day telling a booster that it is NOT easy for even Montana to make the jump.

Color me incredulous that the discussion became about who Montana faculty regard as their peers. How would PSU faculty respond? Might that not be more about aspirations than about reality? So what?
 
Go to www.championshipsubdivision.com/forums, click on "football", then skim down to the title "Montana Athletic Director discusses FCS".

I think what he's saying is that in the FCS even though UM is at the top in football their expenses are going up at least $250,000 every year and their income is maxed out. FBS costs a lot, but brings in potentially a lot more. He maintains the playoff system keeps student athletes in games longer, and out of classes. FBS doesn't. He maintains that "deans and faculty" at UM feel that their peers are the deans and faculty (and everything else) at UO, UW etc., not the schools of the Big Sky. And he argues that "things go better when academics and athletics are working among their own kind".

There's a good deal of obfuscation here, but on the whole it's pushing for WAC membership.

Yes, faculty do make comparisons regularly, but usually they're realistic. No one at PSU thinks they're teaching in programs the likes of Berkeley or Harvard, though they might - in many cases rightly so - think they're as good as individual faculty members at those schools. Berkeley has a History Dept. of around 35-40; PSU has 17. No comparison. Back in the 70s we were very consciouly trying to catch up to UO, primarily because UO prevented us from duplicating their degrees and it pissed us off. Now that we're well up in Phd programs we don't even think about UO anymore. UO often discounts PSU - but we know better.

I think Montana would be making a serious mistake joining the WAC and the FBS - but they might be in the proess of psyching themselves into it.
 
O.K. Just a rumor on another board (South Dakota State's fan board) but the Big Sky just invited....

Southern Utah
University of South Dakota (not the state university)
University of North Dakota (same thing)

Apparently the Sky is thinking that the Montana schools are already gone (to the WAC).
 

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