Weber State - Game Day Thread

[ewueagfan]

Well this game’s over. How that was not called targeting I’ll never know. Total job by the refs.

 

[luckyintheorder]

Wouldn't want to be in this locker room after the game.. I don't know where the dysfunction has occurred that caused this cascading effect throughout the team.

Weber really isn't that good but give them extra possessions with TO's and fake punts and an average starting field position of the 40+ yard line and bad things can and will happen.

It's not over yet.....

 

[LDopaPDX]

Atrocious defense. Absolutely shocking.

50% of their yards came after contact. Horrible to watch.

 

[LDopaPDX]

Missing an XP to tie the game is absurd. What's it going to take to kick some balls between the uprights? Jeezus, we could've lost two games now instead of just one because our kicking situation is a mess.

 

[EWURanger]

Self-inflicted loss in this one. Had we not turned the ball over twice in the 1st quarter we would have forced them to play from behind. EB did not have his best game…not sure what was wrong with him but he wasn’t seeing the field well.

Also, and I wouldn’t normally say this…but fuck Weber St. and their Coach Jay Hill. Just a really low-class team that talked trash the entire game and took a bunch of cheap shots on our guys. I hope we meet them again and absolutely annihilate these bums.

 

[clawman1]

Atrocious defense. Absolutely shocking.

50% of their yards came after contact. Horrible to watch.

I have to disagree with your stmt about overall defense. IMO the D kept us in the game until they just wore down from several 3 and outs in the second half. The third qtr was practically all 3 and outs. And missed tackles happen when players are tired.
It must be a record somewhere that we miss 3 fake punts, which leaves the D on the field again.
How did the offense get the ball back to make the final drive?? Yes a forced fumble and recovery by the defense.
It's cheap and easy to claim "atrocious defense" but that is not true.

 

[FormerEag]

Atrocious defense. Absolutely shocking.

50% of their yards came after contact. Horrible to watch.

I have to disagree with your stmt about overall defense. IMO the D kept us in the game until they just wore down from several 3 and outs in the second half. The third qtr was practically all 3 and outs. And missed tackles happen when players are tired.
It must be a record somewhere that we miss 3 fake punts, which leaves the D on the field again.
How did the offense get the ball back to make the final drive?? Yes a forced fumble and recovery by the defense.
It's cheap and easy to claim "atrocious defense" but that is not true.

Yep. This looked like an offensive collapse for almost the entire game to me. Special teams was pretty rough too.

 

[LDopaPDX]

Atrocious defense. Absolutely shocking.

50% of their yards came after contact. Horrible to watch.

I have to disagree with your stmt about overall defense. IMO the D kept us in the game until they just wore down from several 3 and outs in the second half. The third qtr was practically all 3 and outs. And missed tackles happen when players are tired.
It must be a record somewhere that we miss 3 fake punts, which leaves the D on the field again.
How did the offense get the ball back to make the final drive?? Yes a forced fumble and recovery by the defense.
It's cheap and easy to claim "atrocious defense" but that is not true.

Yep. This looked like an offensive collapse for almost the entire game to me. Special teams was pretty rough too.

Sorry guys, I totally disagree. If we were playing an offensive juggernaut with a bad defense, sure the 35-34 scoreline may have been a bad look for the offense. But we played the most one-dimensional team in the Big Sky. Everyone knew they had a fantastic defense and a woeful offense. They were held to 7 points on their home field last week. Hanging 34 on a great D is decent work... it could've been better, but it was certainly good enough to win. Giving up 35 to a terrible offense is a killer.

If you dare re-watch this game, take a look at how many times we hit their ball carrier in the gap, only to have them plow right through a defender and get 7 yards. It was perpetual, on virtually every drive. That's what made it so hard to watch... our coaches got the players into the right position, and they just whiffed on tackles. Their big 3rd down run to ice the game was emblematic of the whole game; we had the runner dead to rites at the line of scrimmage, but he breaks an arm tackle and easily walks down the field for a first down. The number of missed tackles in this game had to be more than 50... and again, that's against an offense that everyone else has been able to stonewall.

For sure, our special teams was brutal. 3/3 on fake punts, two of which were obvious fake punts that everyone in the building knew was going to be a fake. More bad kickoff returns and an extra point that was aimed at Zip's. Those are serious problems, but we've known all year we are struggling in those areas. A defense that had showed some progression only to collapse against a bad offense is a surprise.

The only thing I'd really pin on the offense is a lack of urgency throughout the game. It seems weird to me that Eric Barriere is such a great runner when the chips are down, but doesn't seem to try those same bold runs early in the game. But when required, he pulled through and should've tied the game had it not been for a failed PAT. But scoring 5 TDs on the best or second best defense while giving up 35 to one of the worst offenses in the conference is two completely different trajectories.

 

[Obzerver]

Couple of observations; play calling-not sure if eb3 has green light to audible plays. not sure if it showed on broadcast bet noticed several times when play was dialed up eb3 shook his head and put his hands out as if he didn't agree with the call. when we were down by 2 td's in the 4th looks as if eb3 just decided no matter the call he was going to run and try himself to get us back into the game. he did not have his best game same with wr drops.defense- i thought they palayed well most of the game but they ended up playing 20 more plays than they should have by games end and still gave the ball back to offense when it mattered. they threw 3 diff qb's at the defense with different skill sets, something they have not shown before.
Although down 2 td's it still felt like we could win the game. nobody quit and with the momentum after the last td if we had tied it up we had a great chance to win in ot...but who knows. i will tell you the that last td was high of highs and within seconds low of lows. can't get these swing of emotions any ole day...made me feel alive!

 

[MLEagle]

Atrocious defense. Absolutely shocking.

50% of their yards came after contact. Horrible to watch.

I have to disagree with your stmt about overall defense. IMO the D kept us in the game until they just wore down from several 3 and outs in the second half. The third qtr was practically all 3 and outs. And missed tackles happen when players are tired.
It must be a record somewhere that we miss 3 fake punts, which leaves the D on the field again.
How did the offense get the ball back to make the final drive?? Yes a forced fumble and recovery by the defense.
It's cheap and easy to claim "atrocious defense" but that is not true.

Yep. This looked like an offensive collapse for almost the entire game to me. Special teams was pretty rough too.

Sorry guys, I totally disagree. If we were playing an offensive juggernaut with a bad defense, sure the 35-34 scoreline may have been a bad look for the offense. But we played the most one-dimensional team in the Big Sky. Everyone knew they had a fantastic defense and a woeful offense. They were held to 7 points on their home field last week. Hanging 34 on a great D is decent work... it could've been better, but it was certainly good enough to win. Giving up 35 to a terrible offense is a killer.

If you dare re-watch this game, take a look at how many times we hit their ball carrier in the gap, only to have them plow right through a defender and get 7 yards. It was perpetual, on virtually every drive. That's what made it so hard to watch... our coaches got the players into the right position, and they just whiffed on tackles. Their big 3rd down run to ice the game was emblematic of the whole game; we had the runner dead to rites at the line of scrimmage, but he breaks an arm tackle and easily walks down the field for a first down. The number of missed tackles in this game had to be more than 50... and again, that's against an offense that everyone else has been able to stonewall.

For sure, our special teams was brutal. 3/3 on fake punts, two of which were obvious fake punts that everyone in the building knew was going to be a fake. More bad kickoff returns and an extra point that was aimed at Zip's. Those are serious problems, but we've known all year we are struggling in those areas. A defense that had showed some progression only to collapse against a bad offense is a surprise.

The only thing I'd really pin on the offense is a lack of urgency throughout the game. It seems weird to me that Eric Barriere is such a great runner when the chips are down, but doesn't seem to try those same bold runs early in the game. But when required, he pulled through and should've tied the game had it not been for a failed PAT. But scoring 5 TDs on the best or second best defense while giving up 35 to one of the worst offenses in the conference is two completely different trajectories.

This game was lost by (1) the coaching staff for not figuring out how to stop a fake punt or trying an onside kick from the damn 50 yard line after a gift 15 yard penalty. (2) special teams that were horrible again and couldn’t figure out how to stop a fake damn punt or make a PAT!!! (3) the offense with 3 turnovers plus 3 more fumbles that we recovered ourselves, and numerous 3 and outs. Eric missed badly on at least 7 or 8 throws and the offense never found a rhythm.

The defense bares the least blame for this loss in my opinion. They were not perfect, but they gave their offense and special teams plenty of opportunities to help them win this game and just didn’t do it.

The good news is we played like complete crap against a good team that had their season on the line and lost by one point. If we play well we can and will beat any team in the country.

 

[LDopaPDX]

Man, I'm just seeing this 100% different. No doubt we could have done better in all 3 phases, but our offense is so good and defense so mediocre that our offense is getting blamed for only playing decent. The defense was not decent, they were damn bad. And special teams was worse. The worst part about those fake punts is we should have just stayed in our base defense, because two of them were obvious fake attempts based on the situation.

Here's the total points scored by each Big Sky offense just today...
Sac State 44
Weber State 35
Eastern 34
Montana 34
Montana State 27
UC Davis 24
Northern Colorado 17
Idaho 14
Cal Poly 13
Southern Utah 9
Idaho State 9
NAU 0

There's now way I could blame a team that was the third most productive offense today while playing the best or second best defense in the conference. The problem is that we gave up the second-most points despite playing one of the worst offenses. The totals are what they are, when you score 35 you should win if your defense even has an average day.

Styles make matchups, and an average defense would've won us the game. We were sub-average. UC Davis and Montana State allowed a *combined* 21 points to Weber over 8 quarters; we gave up 35 in 4. Only Cal Poly (38) and Dixie State (41) gave up more points to Weber than we did, and those teams are a collective 1-13.

I reiterate, just watch our tackling on pretty much any drive after the first quarter. We must've averaged 10 missed tackles on every one of their scoring drives. Ultimately, the coaches got the players to where they were supposed to be on the field, but we didn't make the plays. If you want to win conference titles and playoff games, you need players to make plays. We just didn't do it today. Hopefully, this lesson gets learned the hard way, but learned nonetheless. Montana State is gonna be foaming at the mouth to finally beat us for the first time in a decade in two weeks.

 

[ewueagfan]

Man, I'm just seeing this 100% different. No doubt we could have done better in all 3 phases, but our offense is so good and defense so mediocre that our offense is getting blamed for only playing decent. The defense was not decent, they were damn bad. And special teams was worse. The worst part about those fake punts is we should have just stayed in our base defense, because two of them were obvious fake attempts based on the situation.

Here's the total points scored by each Big Sky offense just today...
Sac State 44
Weber State 35
Eastern 34
Montana 34
Montana State 27
UC Davis 24
Northern Colorado 17
Idaho 14
Cal Poly 13
Southern Utah 9
Idaho State 9
NAU 0

There's now way I could blame a team that was the third most productive offense today while playing the best or second best defense in the conference. The problem is that we gave up the second-most points despite playing one of the worst offenses. The totals are what they are, when you score 35 you should win if your defense even has an average day.

Styles make matchups, and an average defense would've won us the game. We were sub-average. UC Davis and Montana State allowed a *combined* 21 points to Weber over 8 quarters; we gave up 35 in 4. Only Cal Poly (38) and Dixie State (41) gave up more points to Weber than we did, and those teams are a collective 1-13.

I reiterate, just watch our tackling on pretty much any drive after the first quarter. We must've averaged 10 missed tackles on every one of their scoring drives. Ultimately, the coaches got the players to where they were supposed to be on the field, but we didn't make the plays. If you want to win conference titles and playoff games, you need players to make plays. We just didn't do it today. Hopefully, this lesson gets learned the hard way, but learned nonetheless. Montana State is gonna be foaming at the mouth to finally beat us for the first time in a decade in two weeks.

Offense was absolutely terrible.

 

[luckyintheorder]

Couple of observations; play calling-not sure if eb3 has green light to audible plays. not sure if it showed on broadcast bet noticed several times when play was dialed up eb3 shook his head and put his hands out as if he didn't agree with the call. when we were down by 2 td's in the 4th looks as if eb3 just decided no matter the call he was going to run and try himself to get us back into the game. he did not have his best game same with wr drops.defense- i thought they palayed well most of the game but they ended up playing 20 more plays than they should have by games end and still gave the ball back to offense when it mattered. they threw 3 diff qb's at the defense with different skill sets, something they have not shown before.
Although down 2 td's it still felt like we could win the game. nobody quit and with the momentum after the last td if we had tied it up we had a great chance to win in ot...but who knows. i will tell you the that last td was high of highs and within seconds low of lows. can't get these swing of emotions any ole day...made me feel alive!

Couldn't see EB3's reactions to play calls but not surprised. Out of sync the whole game. Like you, thought Eag's could still win 2TD's down and had their shot to tie. Unlike Dopa, thought the defense played pretty well given the starting field possession was near the 40 all game for Weber. Didn't understand the DL slants late that gave up a couple of key first downs off the edge and middle line stunts that allowed the QB to run up the middle (too many Youngstown state flashbacks) but on the whole, this team did not give up. Believe the D over efforted near the end and it put them out of position. It happens.

Four three and outs in a row in the second half and it had very little to do with the Weber defense... the complaint has always been Eagles score so fast the defense has to spend so much time on the field, that wasn't the case in this one. There was nothing special about special teams and the decision to short kick every KO was ludicrious, the lack of awareness on 3 fake punts was horrendous. It was like giving up 6 TO's in the game. Hard to win that way.

Want to harsh on the DC and OC but know it won't do any good. Best got mired in some minutia and it didn't help the team focus on being 1-0.. I know it when I see it, this one was mental. Hope the team rebounds and runs the table the rest of the way..

 

[EWURanger]

This loss boils down to TO’s by the offense and poor Special Teams play. The O didn’t have it’s best performance but if the special teams played marginally better we’d have won.

As well, it’s hard to blame the defense when the punt coverage team consistently put the D in positions where they’re defending a short field. Exhibit 2, getting fooled by a fake punt not once, twice, but 3 times. The final cous de gras was missing the game tying extra point.

 

[clawman1]

Better to lose now and learn some lessons than in the playoffs... that is IF we make it. We have two more tough games left, MSU at home and UCD on the road.

 

[Obzerver]

SWX rerun bout to start...see what it looked like from another angle..maybe it will change the result

 

[LDopaPDX]

SWX rerun bout to start...see what it looked like from another angle..maybe it will change the result

I always think after a loss that one more Scotch might change the result. It doesn't. And then I have a headache in the morning.

 

[chicagoeag]

Did EWU not hire a spec teams coach because of $$$$?

Three fake punts on Saturday and a missed XP.

Plus, you're playing a team that wins on defense and spec teams.

Granted the defense isn't great, but this seems to be a coaching issue where Weber knew they could do it over and over.

:roll:

 

[Obzerver]

chicagoeag, you asked "Did EWU not hire a spec teams coach because of $$$$"? It wouldn't surprise since nobody seems to have that designation under coaching staff. Heath Pulver use to be along with his tight ends job up until last season. Since nobody claims on bio's assume whoever got the short stick is part timing it. Seems this has been a sore spot off and on.. not sure we have ever had a specific kicking specialist on staff ever. Had my binocs with me at the last game and think the unlucky chap who is instructing special teams was giving "heads up" advice before each play:

 

[walkon79]

Self-inflicted loss in this one. Had we not turned the ball over twice in the 1st quarter we would have forced them to play from behind. EB did not have his best game…not sure what was wrong with him but he wasn’t seeing the field well.

Also, and I wouldn’t normally say this…but fuck Weber St. and their Coach Jay Hill. Just a really low-class team that talked trash the entire game and took a bunch of cheap shots on our guys. I hope we meet them again and absolutely annihilate these bums.

Watch the replay of the MSU/WSU game. Same thing! :evil: