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Weight Program

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Beardown

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Our offense and defensive linemen need to get bigger. It was pointed out during a pregame interview with coach Darnell that our offensive line is just not that strong. Is it the weight lifting coaches fault? Is it that we don't have a nice facility? Is it the players work ethic? To me it probably has more to do with the coach. I mean you don't need the most state-of the art facilities to get bigger. I guess I'm old school with that, but isn't it true?

Anyone who payed attention to the line's play should have noticed. Our d-line and o-lines were so small compared to most big sky teams. Hopefully the players make it a comittment to get in the weight room this offseason.
 
The difference between other programs and UNC's development in the weight room has to do with a couple of things:

Age & time with programs: for example, our juniors have only been in this specific weight program for just over a year, because of a lack of consistency. Matching up with 5th year seniors who have been in a specific program for all five of those years shows the physical difference

Our seniors were hampered by the same problem, plus one additional item: no mandatory weights training under the previous staff. Lifting was done on their own time, and some guys got it (VJ, Reed, et al) and others didn't.
 
Wow, no mandatory weight training? That's insane, I'm shocked to hear that actually, that sounds like something out of the 1970's. :?
 
Come on now, I get on this board to read whats going on and see how the program is and I see how the radio guy is still blaming the old staff for the current situation.

First off, There were mandatory lifting times for players. This was done before Ty or the Coach before him got there. Starting at 5 or 5:30 am a group would lift, this would be for an hour and another group would come in at the end. The lifting groups were by positions until Ty's first year when the groups got intermixed by Off and Def and positions. For missing or being late to a lifting you got a thing called Dawn Patrol, which is the worst 1 hour plus of your life on a Friday mourning around 5:30 am. So again, know your facts there Troy.

Second, very few of this none lifting players are on the current roster for this years team. So even if your facts were correct, which there not, I am not sure how it would affect this current team.

So I digress, speculate all you want, talk about current and former teams all you want. Talk about how bad they are for all I care. But would you quit blaming the woes of this team on Dalton and his staff. His none lifting weak kids were able to go 9-2, 2-9, and 4-7 in the first three years of I AA. So stop pointing the finger at them.
 
Further iterating why I wasn't and won't be commenting on the coaching situation again. IF you read my post in full, you'd see I put a late point on the previous regime in there--for the seniors. The rest is based on consistency, which until this past year hasn't been in place--the number one issue was stated as my number one point.

And, formerplayer, I'd suggest talking to the other former players who were part of the interview process for a new coach. There are plenty of people who both played and had other roles with the program who will dispute your claims.
 
formerplayer said:
Come on now, I get on this board to read whats going on and see how the program is and I see how the radio guy is still blaming the old staff for the current situation.

First off, There were mandatory lifting times for players. This was done before Ty or the Coach before him got there. Starting at 5 or 5:30 am a group would lift, this would be for an hour and another group would come in at the end. The lifting groups were by positions until Ty's first year when the groups got intermixed by Off and Def and positions. For missing or being late to a lifting you got a thing called Dawn Patrol, which is the worst 1 hour plus of your life on a Friday mourning around 5:30 am. So again, know your facts there Troy.

Second, very few of this none lifting players are on the current roster for this years team. So even if your facts were correct, which there not, I am not sure how it would affect this current team.

So I digress, speculate all you want, talk about current and former teams all you want. Talk about how bad they are for all I care. But would you quit blaming the woes of this team on Dalton and his staff. His none lifting weak kids were able to go 9-2, 2-9, and 4-7 in the first three years of I AA. So stop pointing the finger at them.
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Did you really pass the English Essay Exam?
 
Troy, I don't have an issue when you comment on the current or past coaching staff. I may come on here and defend them. I don't know this current staff and the the last class of players I know are the ones that just played there last game. Only issue I have like I stated was when you blame something from the current state of the program on the old staff. Actually I don't have an issue if you do it and you are correct, only when you are wrong does it rub me the wrong way.

As for me needing to talk to other former players I can if you want. I still talk to some of them, most of them did not play a down for Downing. That being said I would like to think that when I was required to come in and lift at a certain time or there were consequenses that would be enough to justify my statement. Also I do not know what players were on the interview committee for coach Downing. If you would like to give me there names I have no issue in looking them up and asking them though.

So again I say, I enjoy reading a lot of the things you right, some things I just don't agree with and on occasion I will hop on here and post about it.
 
formerplayer said:
Barely past that English exam. Spell and grammar check only go so far, its will be the down fall for some of us.
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Me too. I am so glad my days of blue books are behinde me.
 
This weight room excuse is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard. I was an athlete when I was at UNC and I lifted in the varsity weight room. Admittedly, it wasn't the biggest facility in the world but it had more weights in it than any human on this planet could lift. I didn't realize you had to have a fancy weight room to get stronger. When we were D-2 the football players flat out worked their asses off in that weight room and we had some monsters tearing it up in there. Any college athlete who is worth a shit doesn't need the coaches requiring them to lift--by the time an athlete gets to college he should have the motivation to get it done. If not, that means they take no pride in themselves or the program. If the players don't care enough to devote their lives to getting bigger, faster and stronger then that is on the coaches. They must be bringing in the wrong players.
 
Funny...I spent a fair amount of my time in the athletic building during my days at UNC, and during the football season, I would see players lifting weights in large groups. Now, considering that these group meetings weren't mandatory, I would sure like to know how they all knew that they needed to be there at the same time? Instinct?
 
jjjj said:
This weight room excuse is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard. I was an athlete when I was at UNC and I lifted in the varsity weight room. Admittedly, it wasn't the biggest facility in the world but it had more weights in it than any human on this planet could lift. I didn't realize you had to have a fancy weight room to get stronger.
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It's more about the space related to the number of athletes needing to access the room. With more than 400 student-athletes needing to use the weight room for their various training regiments, it limits the amount of time athletes from each program can use the room. Factor in class schedules for them, and the times the lift become even more limited.
 
On one final point, formerplayer: you've what you know and I've what I know from talking with multiple people. I am curious if your time on the roster coincided with the overhaul of the staff when guys left to coach with Joe at Wyoming. That's where I've been told the weight training mandate tailed off.
 
Bearsradio,

I was there before and after the time when Coach Applewhite and Coach English for Wyoming. My time there ended before Coach Dalton was fired.
 
bearsradio said:
jjjj said:
This weight room excuse is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard. I was an athlete when I was at UNC and I lifted in the varsity weight room. Admittedly, it wasn't the biggest facility in the world but it had more weights in it than any human on this planet could lift. I didn't realize you had to have a fancy weight room to get stronger.
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It's more about the space related to the number of athletes needing to access the room. With more than 400 student-athletes needing to use the weight room for their various training regiments, it limits the amount of time athletes from each program can use the room. Factor in class schedules for them, and the times the lift become even more limited.
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There were just as many student athletes when I was there and that weight room was good enough to get us two national championships. You can argue about how well our championship teams would do in I-AA but it cannot be disputed that those teams would blow out any team we've had in at least 5 years. I'm guessing that Chadron State doesn't have better facilities than ours and they had their third stringers playing in the third quarter when they blew us out. I don't think CSC even made the playoffs that year.
 
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