In the time Rahe has been here, has he won a quality OOC game? (No CIT games) When will one of his teams win a game against a team that the cats aren't expected to beat? Other than beating USU, which win in the OCC is the best? UT-Arlington? What is the record for Rahe vs. the State of Utah? This program will never reach new heights until these wins happen... We can out recruit anyone apparently, but we can't beat any quality programs. When does a Rahe coached team break through this barrier? Maybe Rahe is a great recruiter, and not a good in game coach. He recruited stars to USU, and then Stew used them to elevate the program. He had Lillard and and never got anything done. He has had some of the top three pointer shooters in team history and nothing to show for it (Lillard, Bam, Bull, Nick, JP, etc.) I feel Rahe's approach to the OCC is wrong, he only seems to look for improvement and team chemistry; wins seem like a bonus. He only cares about conference games, which is important, but those OCC games need to be just as important, including in-state games. If we are content with a 16th seed every year, then okay, screw the OOC games and play the bench. I am a Rahe fan and feel he is the best for now. I haven't missed a game in person all year, but we need to compete with the teams on the schedule year in and year out. You can only use Dame for so long in recruiting. I know that runs in a NCAA tourney are a even better recruiting tool ( ie: Gonzaga, Butler, VCU, Belmont, George Mason, Creighton, Northern Colorado :rofl: etc) I also love how Coach Hill is going to begin going hard at local talent, I wish Rahe did this more, and if he won some OCC games, including in-state, I know he could land some.
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When Does Rahe Get a Quality OOC Win?
- Thread starter WSUfan1
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I like Rahe, but I don't know about anybody else, but I have grown increasingly frustrated with him since losing to Montana St. @ home in the BSC tourney. How does a coach not make it to the NCAA's with Lillard?
I'm beginning to think Rahe is Stew Jr. to a fault. Abegglan did more in a couple years than Morrill & Rahe combined through their entire careers.
Rahe calls himself a creature of habit, I think he could also be called too predictable, stubborn, & unable or unwilling to adjust on the fly. Damn I hate everything about this season thus far..... :wall:
I'm beginning to think Rahe is Stew Jr. to a fault. Abegglan did more in a couple years than Morrill & Rahe combined through their entire careers.
Rahe calls himself a creature of habit, I think he could also be called too predictable, stubborn, & unable or unwilling to adjust on the fly. Damn I hate everything about this season thus far..... :wall:
In addition to Dayton, Oral Roberts on the road was another good OOC win last year.
Why would we not count the CIT last year? I understand your frustration, but I'm not sure how you can suggest that Rahe can't win good OOC games because you will exclude the CIT. Air Force, Northern Iowa (on the road), and ORU (at home) are all great OOC wins and should be added to the discussion.
Why would we not count the CIT last year? I understand your frustration, but I'm not sure how you can suggest that Rahe can't win good OOC games because you will exclude the CIT. Air Force, Northern Iowa (on the road), and ORU (at home) are all great OOC wins and should be added to the discussion.
DeeWildcatTailgater
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16 seed every year?? Our conference has been earning a 13 or 14 seed lately. When is the last time Weber or a Bigsky team earned a 16 seed?
Midmajor??
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No doubt the team is not meeting expectations, but it might be too early to question Coach Rahe's strategy. Maybe we should wait until March to evaluate the year?
I admit, very disappointed so far, but winning conference would sweeten my taste.
I admit, very disappointed so far, but winning conference would sweeten my taste.
heyoh22 said:
At the time, the Dayton win was impressive. But how did Dayton finish the season? At 17-14, no post-season play. The win looked less and less impressive. ORU was nice, but I believe we were favored to win, lets be real, ORU isnt the best of the best. The CIT was fun, but AF was bairly a .500 team, ORU (see before), Cal Poly (expected to win), Northern Iowa, this was a great win, yes on the road, but was their team really excited about this game, did they really want to be playing in the CIT? In the Rahe era, I am talking about OOC games.. We all know he has under achieved post-season play, including the BSC tourney games (see every year but 06-07). I have waited every March to evaluate the team, and the outcome is always the same, cant beat Montana, cant beat the press, meltdowns, poor free throw shooting etc.I have serious doubts about this team, Trez has been a non factor in every game minus BYU. He got beat around by UVU's center, and thrown to the wolves in UCLA.
DeeWildcatTailgater said:
PSU in 2008.. With Montana completely embarrassing the Sky last March, there will be no love for the Sky this year. The conference has a whole is terrible, has the conference earned at least one good win so far? I think the Sky has been competitive, but not where it should be. I think its fair to say, the winner of the BSC tourney will get a 16 seed or play-in game...
Since Rahe was hired, BSC Tournament Champion:
07' WSU 15th seed
08' PSU 16th seed
09' PSU 13th seed
10' UM 14th seed
11' UNC 15th seed (the "new Gonzaga.")
12' UM 13th seed
13' UM 13th seed
The average is about a 14 seed, however I would be amazed if the Sky got anything better than a 16 this year.
SWeberCat02
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Two things Rahe has been awful at, winning vs USU/Utah/BYU, and winning OOC games on the road.
Record vs USU: 2-8
Record vs Utah: 2-4
Record vs BYU: 0-8
Record vs all three: 4-20 (.166)
Record vs OOC in true road games: 8-35 (.186)
Wins: @Portland, @Cal St Bakersfield, @S Utah, @S Utah, @UC Irvine, @Dayton, @Oral Roberts, @N Iowa
Record vs USU: 2-8
Record vs Utah: 2-4
Record vs BYU: 0-8
Record vs all three: 4-20 (.166)
Record vs OOC in true road games: 8-35 (.186)
Wins: @Portland, @Cal St Bakersfield, @S Utah, @S Utah, @UC Irvine, @Dayton, @Oral Roberts, @N Iowa
SWeberCat02
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Big Sky is 22-60 (.268) vs D1 teams so far, with 4 left to play. Add that to the terrible showings in the NCAA tournament the last few years and the conference champ will be lucky to get a 15th seed this year.WSUfan said:
hno:
DeeWildcatTailgater
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PSU was only given that seed because they came out of nowhere to win the conference tourney. This will happen again in other conferences this season likely raising our bid. Just curious, what's the BigSky's record in D-1 home games and road games this year?
Webergrad02
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Do I need to bring you all some egg nog? It's Christmas Eve.
Yes there are some things that could improve under coach Rahe. It has not been the best start to the season, but I don't think the year is a total loss. We have one of the best coaches in the league and I really think that if we can get these young players to mesh, the future will be bright.
Yes there are some things that could improve under coach Rahe. It has not been the best start to the season, but I don't think the year is a total loss. We have one of the best coaches in the league and I really think that if we can get these young players to mesh, the future will be bright.
SWeberCat02
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Home: 13-10DeeWildcatTailgater said:
Road: 7-43
Neutral: 2-7
Webergrad02
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Come on Detailgater, admit that we are a bad conference or santa is going to put you on the naughty list.
Wow. You guys are starting to resemble the Montana message board for bi-polarity. Just comparing the mood swing between national signing day and today, you could get whiplash.
I guess high expectations can do that to you. Being a Bengal, we don't have that issue. But I will say this -- before Randy came on board, nobody in the Big Sky feared playing Weber State. The last several years, he has taken the program to a new level. Sure, continually losing to Montana in the BSC has got to irritate you, but you've had some great teams, great seasons and the CIT run last year was about as good as it gets for Big Sky teams these days.
I don't know why the league has fallen so far in terms of quality of play over the last 10 years, but I certainly don't see the Big Sky champ getting more than a 15 or 16 seed -- and I fear that if one team doesn't "emerge" to dominate during league play, the play-in game could be a possibility.
No Randy Rahe is not the second coming of Ron A. or Phil Johnson or Dick Motta, but he's been pretty darn good. Any program in the Big Sky other than Montana certainly would have taken him and his record over the last five years.
I guess high expectations can do that to you. Being a Bengal, we don't have that issue. But I will say this -- before Randy came on board, nobody in the Big Sky feared playing Weber State. The last several years, he has taken the program to a new level. Sure, continually losing to Montana in the BSC has got to irritate you, but you've had some great teams, great seasons and the CIT run last year was about as good as it gets for Big Sky teams these days.
I don't know why the league has fallen so far in terms of quality of play over the last 10 years, but I certainly don't see the Big Sky champ getting more than a 15 or 16 seed -- and I fear that if one team doesn't "emerge" to dominate during league play, the play-in game could be a possibility.
No Randy Rahe is not the second coming of Ron A. or Phil Johnson or Dick Motta, but he's been pretty darn good. Any program in the Big Sky other than Montana certainly would have taken him and his record over the last five years.
Webergrad02
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Randy (.654) actually has a better winning % than Ronnie A (.643) at Weber.
SWeberCat02
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Conference road wins: UNC @ K St, NAU @ TX-San Antonio, UM @ S Dakota St, ISU @ San Fran, MSU @ C Mich, Sac St @ UC Davis, and MSU @ Portland.SWeberCat02 said:
Things started out promising with UNC beating K State, and the conference was 3-3 in the first weekend of the season. But has been downhill since then. The conference hasn't won a game vs DI since UNC beat UC Riverside in Greeley on Dec 16. 10 straight overall losses.
