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With apologies to Hawk Harrelson, HE GONE!!!

Beardown said:
Wow, lots of mixed emotions. A good man just lost his job.
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really, are you kidding? he may be a good man, but not a very good head coach. 9-48 really? never put a head set on during game? never had the kids drinkin his kool-aid, nobody was sellin' it out for this guy..... i liked scott as 'guy'. i thought he was a good pr guy, plenty of storys to tell. he just could never get all the pieces put together properly. anyway, he's paid thru december
 
Blofeld must be as giddy as a school girl at this news. Guess he'll be pulling out his wallet now and donating the big bucks like he seemed to indicate he'd do if Downing was fired - that is unless he's full of shit and just likes to hear himself talk.
 
Coach Downing was the best Coach I have ever played for. And believe me, the players loved and respected him. The blame for the record should be shared by the players as well as the coaches. Another positive, he managed to put up with all the trash about him coming from those in this message board that knew knothing what they were talking about and didn't see behind the scenes. This team has gotten so much better in the past five years. He wasn't a perfect coach by any means, but we were not perfect players. I, and every other Bear that played for you will miss you Coach Downing.
 
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xbearsot said:
Coach Downing was the best Coach I have ever played for. And believe me, the players loved and respected him. The blame for the record should be shared by the players as well as the coaches. Another positive, he managed to put up with all the trash about him coming from those in this message board that knew knothing what they were talking about and didn't see behind the scenes. This team has gotten so much better in the past five years. He wasn't a perfect coach by any means, but we were not perfect players. I, and every other Bear that played for you will miss you Coach Downing.
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With all due respect, we don't care what happens behind the scenes. What ever he did and however much everyone liked him (I don't know one person who doesn't like him personally) it didn't transfer to wins on the field and that's what counts. This is one of the, if not the worst period in UNC football and this is long overdue. It's not like we were bitching and moaning because we finished 6-6 every season. We were winning 1 -3 games a season and that counts games against DII teams. Enough is enough.
 
Brian said:
xbearsot said:
Coach Downing was the best Coach I have ever played for. And believe me, the players loved and respected him. The blame for the record should be shared by the players as well as the coaches. Another positive, he managed to put up with all the trash about him coming from those in this message board that knew knothing what they were talking about and didn't see behind the scenes. This team has gotten so much better in the past five years. He wasn't a perfect coach by any means, but we were not perfect players. I, and every other Bear that played for you will miss you Coach Downing.
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With all due respect, we don't care what happens behind the scenes. What ever he did and however much everyone liked him (I don't know one person who doesn't like him personally) it didn't transfer to wins on the field and that's what counts. This is one of the, if not the worst period in UNC football and this is long overdue. It's not like we were bitching and moaning because we finished 6-6 every season. We were winning 1 -3 games a season and that counts games against DII teams. Enough is enough.
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Exactly. The goal of a football coach is to win games, and Downing had a .160 winning percentage. If you have a 16 percent success rate at any job, you should expect to be fired.
 
John Lister 1893-96 0-4 .000
Arthur Kendel 1899-1900 1-1-4 .500
Samuel Abbott 1905 0-2 .000
Ralph Glaze 1917-18 2-6 .250
William Search 1919-21 1-10-1 .125
George Cooper 1922-27 15-29-3 .351
William Saunders 1928-31 12-13-4 .483
John Hancock 1932-42, 45-53 75-77-6 .494
Joe Lindahl 1954-62 35-44-4 .446
William Heiss 1963-65 12-14-2 .464
Bob Blasi 1966-84 107-71-3 .599
Ron Simonson 1985-88 13-30 .302
Joe Glenn 1989-99 98-35 .737
O. Kay Dalton 2000-05 39-31 .557
Scott Downing 2006-pres. 6-39 .133

(Not sure how up to date the Downing part is)
 
Well, this should not come as a shock to anyone!! Yes scott really is a super guy but He knows how the coaching system works and in any field of work,you have to produce or you will be let go. So lets wish him good luck. Now lets hope JayJay has already been talking to people because we cannot afford to wait a month for a new coach!! Onward and upward!! Go BB Bears tonight, beat Wyo !!
 
xbearsot said:
Coach Downing was the best Coach I have ever played for. And believe me, the players loved and respected him. The blame for the record should be shared by the players as well as the coaches. Another positive, he managed to put up with all the trash about him coming from those in this message board that knew knothing what they were talking about and didn't see behind the scenes. This team has gotten so much better in the past five years. He wasn't a perfect coach by any means, but we were not perfect players. I, and every other Bear that played for you will miss you Coach Downing.
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I can see what you're saying and that's why I have mixed emotions, but xbearsot, you've gotta understand the frustrations us fans are having. We come from a winning program and it's hard to swallow 1 and 3 win seasons. Scott is a great guy and I hope he lands a job soon, I really do hope so.
 
I gave before Downing and I'll give after thanks for asking though.

And I agree he was a nice guy which is great for selling insurance, not too many nice guys do that well in this profession, it's sad but true.

Also, I give him credit for the academic side of things and the lack of police blotter activity, you can't discount that but it didn't translate to wins unfortunatly.

I think the frustrating thing is even until the bitter end it was the same old cliches and lack of fire.

My hope was that as the loses continued to mount there would be some urgency but that never seemed to happen. To win at this level you have to have the burning desire in the gut and I never saw that. A good comparison would be Boyle, the guy just refused to lose and that attitude took over the program. Downing seemed all too OK with losing and had quite a few excuses for it over the years and by doing so he gave the kids a reason to think it was OK to lose.

Oh and one other point, the SOuth Dakota game, this is a program far inferrior to UNC before the move and a program that moved up 5 years after we did and they cleaned our clock... Any hope for this regime was totally lost that day and I have a funny feeling in Hinrichs mind it was also.
 
However:
We come from a winning program
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A little reality: only 3 coaches at the school have ever had winning records. Look above for the run down. UNC, as a program, has an overall mark below 500.

You have a right to want success, but to say there's a tradition of it? To have only 3 winning coaches in over 100 years of football at the school means there's a long ways to go before this can be called a consistently winning program.

BTW, I know of what I speak: my alma mater was once referred to as "Futility U".
 
bearsradio said:
However:
We come from a winning program
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A little reality: only 3 coaches at the school have ever had winning records. Look above for the run down. UNC, as a program, has an overall mark below 500.

You have a right to want success, but to say there's a tradition of it? To have only 3 winning coaches in over 100 years of football at the school means there's a long ways to go before this can be called a consistently winning program.

BTW, I know of what I speak: my alma mater was once referred to as "Futility U".
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You make a valid point, however:

Going back to the beginning of the Bob Blasi era in 1966 through the end of the Kay Dalton era in 2005, UNC had an overall record of 257-167, a .606 winning percentage. In those 40 years, the Bears had 27 winning seasons, 12 losing seasons and went 5-5 in 1988. That's a pretty solid winning tradition built over four decades.
 
Blofeld said:
...Also, I give him credit for the academic side of things and the lack of police blotter activity, you can't discount that but it didn't translate to wins unfortunatly.
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This is a very good point and I think it speaks to the quality of person Downing is and the quality of player that he and his staff recruited. It's just a shame it never translated to success on the field.
 
xbearsot said:
Coach Downing was the best Coach I have ever played for. And believe me, the players loved and respected him. The blame for the record should be shared by the players as well as the coaches. Another positive, he managed to put up with all the trash about him coming from those in this message board that knew knothing what they were talking about and didn't see behind the scenes. This team has gotten so much better in the past five years. He wasn't a perfect coach by any means, but we were not perfect players. I, and every other Bear that played for you will miss you Coach Downing.
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Glad they "Loved and respected him". Too bad they didn't play for him. Time to find a new coach and I'll say right off the bat...Peterson ain't gonna get it done. Too bad Hinrichs isn't heading out the door with Downing.

Beardown said:
Wow, lots of mixed emotions. A good man just lost his job.
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Beardown, look at it this way, he'll land somewhere, but 9 - 47 don't git it done 'round here. I could have gone 10-46, and for a hell of a lot less dough!
 
Glory Glory Hallelujah! I thought the day would never come!

UNC does have a winning tradition, as others have pointed out going back 40 years we have had a solid record and any program with back to back national titles has a strong history of success. Comparing KSU to UNC is a not really valid, KSU had the worst winning percentage in D1 from 1940 until Snyder was hired the first time. But I digress...

He is finally gone!!! I'm sure he was a nice guy, and he seemed to be good at recruiting, but he was just not able to get it done. Hopefully Jay wont screw this up, and we can get this program back on track!
 
Glory Glory Hallelujah! I thought the day would never come!

Gee GoBears, I never thought of you as a religious man. :D (But I'm right there with you!)

As far as Jay goes, if he can screw this up...he will. Maybe we should just leave Jay out and let Monfort make the pick. Hell, seems like Monfort makes all the decisions around here anyway.
 
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