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Worst loss ever?

I think Chadron loss was worse as we were never in that game. Yesterdays tough to take as we had our chances but failed to do so. With Downing gone there were expectations that things would be different but looks like it is going to take some time to change the direction the program has been going the last 6 years. I sure do miss the days when we would line up and run the ball on teams instead of going to the spread and become a finesse
team.
 
Beardown said:
Bearsfan24 said:
gobears2010 said:
I'd just like to say that Lindenwood was A LOT better than I expected them to be. A ton of speed on that squad and that RB would start for any team in the Big Sky.

I'm not knocking Lindenwood, they are a good program, but I didn't think they were THAT good to where they should've beat UNC. UNC has better size and athletes, but Lindenwood was better fundamentally. They tackled better, ran the offense better (which was similar to UNC's), and obviously coached better.

I'm not sure that we have better athletes. I said it since we announced the schedule and I looked at their film and roster. They have just as much speed and size. And yes, we were out-coached.

I don't think Lobato was the problem. He had a nice first drive that led us to a score and missed a couple passes but Pat Walker dropped an easy touch down pass when he got behind the defender. The pass was a little high, but Walker should have caught that, easy TD. I wouldn't put this on Lobato. He didn't have a good game, but not horrible either. That being said, Orms still should start. I don't get it. Coach Boyer was a good QB here and he's been around the game for a while, not sure why he doesn't notice the players rally around Orms. I just don't get it. :ohno:

I agree and I think most of us here seem to think that Orms should have started this game. The team needs his leadership and confidence that he can bring out in this team. We needed a leader out there and we just didn't have one until it was too late. One good thing that will come out of this loss is that CSU will overlook us now and will be focusing on their game with CU.
 
I agree and I think most of us here seem to think that Orms should have started this game. The team needs his leadership and confidence that he can bring out in this team. We needed a leader out there and we just didn't have one until it was too late. One good thing that will come out of this loss is that CSU will overlook us now and will be focusing on their game with CU.[/quote][/quote]

I do agree that Orms probably should have started the game; however, he did play the entire 2nd half, and we were ahead at that point. I think coaching is an issue. He should have never gone out of bounds on the last play, and taken the field goal to the far hash mark. This gave Lindenwood a time advantage, and made an easy field goal more difficult. These are fundamentals that should come from coaching, but with all the game experience Orms has had, he should have been aware of these factors.
 
This was Lobato's first start and with any quarterback with any team, nerves play a huge factor. This is still his team and if he can play next week, he should get the start. Either 2 things are going to happen, he is going to succeed or fail. If he statistically fails but the coaches keeps him in, then we all know this is a rebuilding year. I don't understand why the talk about putting Orms back in at starter. He had his opportunity last year and couldn't do anything with it. He led his team to a 3 win season, completed only 52% of his passes and had a td/int ratio of 2:1. That is not acceptable stats for a quarterback if you want to win. And lastly his arm is weak and he has no shot of ever taking his game to the next level, so why waste another year, when you have Lobato and Baca for 2 years. Both of these guys have the size and tools to possibly play at the next level. Whether they do or not is up to them but to me, those 2 guys are 1 and 2 on the depth chart. Move Orms to WR or DB and let him enjoy his senior year. If he truly has team leadership then he can do it at another position. Let's see what Lobato can do next week.
 
The Chadron State loss in 07 was bad but we had no chance in that game. We had a young and talent less offense. When your D is in on the field more more than half the game this is a big problem. The second problem was Danny Woodhead, simply the best d2 player ever. He has every rushing stat in NCAA football (FCS,FBS,D2,D1,NAIA). So with that being said they were in the D2 final four as well. Lindenwood doesn't have that caliber of player on either side. The running back at Lindenwood was a good athlete but could not start at any other Big Sky school besides idaho state, NC, and Portland state maybe. Flat out we are making excuses and to why Collins could not prepare his team to beat this team. Or are we as a team just don't match up well with anyone this year. Jace Davis , Cameron Dean hurt . And no talent on offense or Defense. Too many question marks on this team and coaching staff.
 
BigBlueBear said:
The Chadron State loss in 07 was bad but we had no chance in that game. We had a young and talent less offense. When your D is in on the field more more than half the game this is a big problem. The second problem was Danny Woodhead, simply the best d2 player ever. He has every rushing stat in NCAA football (FCS,FBS,D2,D1,NAIA). So with that being said they were in the D2 final four as well. Lindenwood doesn't have that caliber of player on either side. The running back at Lindenwood was a good athlete but could not start at any other Big Sky school besides idaho state, NC, and Portland state maybe. Flat out we are making excuses and to why Collins could not prepare his team to beat this team. Or are we as a team just don't match up well with anyone this year. Jace Davis , Cameron Dean hurt . And no talent on offense or Defense. Too many question marks on this team and coaching staff.

Exactly.
C'mon guys, Lindenwood is now the biggest fastest meanest albeit the dumbest team you've ever seen, and they can win more games in the BSC?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Terrible loss, terrible scheduling, but the culture remains for now.

It is exactly what it is, and only some time will tell if it turns into something else.


Lindenwood!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
Okay....time to turn the page. It has been interesting to read the array of comments. Everything from no talent to loaded with talent; soft to solid. The answer to the board question re the worst loss ever: it was the worst loss ever for this staff and this team. The more energy wasted on the grand thought of wins and losses, the less energy available to focus on individual and therefore team improvements. Players are going to make physical and mental errors and get coached. The real question becomes "how will they be coached"? Will the coaches blame individuals for missteps? Will they correct issues with technique/approach/ or ridicule? Comments re "Downing's kids" are irrelevant. Now they are all "Collins' kids", and if we intend to remain BEARS fans, our kids. Were the right kids used in the right situations?????I'm sure the coaches believed in their decision making process.....weather it's play calling, personnel packages, or special team concerns.
Putting aside the individual agendas of people who write on this board, we can all agree that Coach Collins is our coach, these are the players on our team, and we have a limited number of opportunities to be successful.
GO BEARS!!!!
 
mountainbear said:
Okay....time to turn the page. It has been interesting to read the array of comments. Everything from no talent to loaded with talent; soft to solid. The answer to the board question re the worst loss ever: it was the worst loss ever for this staff and this team. The more energy wasted on the grand thought of wins and losses, the less energy available to focus on individual and therefore team improvements. Players are going to make physical and mental errors and get coached. The real question becomes "how will they be coached"? Will the coaches blame individuals for missteps? Will they correct issues with technique/approach/ or ridicule? Comments re "Downing's kids" are irrelevant. Now they are all "Collins' kids", and if we intend to remain BEARS fans, our kids. Were the right kids used in the right situations?????I'm sure the coaches believed in their decision making process.....weather it's play calling, personnel packages, or special team concerns.
Putting aside the individual agendas of people who write on this board, we can all agree that Coach Collins is our coach, these are the players on our team, and we have a limited number of opportunities to be successful.
GO BEARS!!!!

Well said. I just can't imagine being a Senior and going through another season like the past 3. I hope the represent well against CSU and find a way to go .500 in the Big Sky and maybe beat North Dakota. I would love for this team to find some sort of identity.
 
As I said before - terrible loss. All aspects of the team were outplayed - offense, defense and special teams. D2, NAIA, whatever. We should not lose that game at home and it should not even be close. I hope I am wrong but it looks like it is shaping up to be another long season.

There are a lot of issues with this team but I think the biggest is that Earnest made a mistake with the coaching staff. Neither coordinator has much experience and it showed on Saturday. The play calling on both sides of the ball was downright pathetic.

Here is my idea for improvement. OK - I admit it is not a realistic scenario, but IMHO it would pay immediate dividends. Earnest needs to walk into the offensive coordinator's office and demote him. He then needs to pick up the phone and beg Dalton to come back as the offensive coordinator for a couple of years and groom Boyer, Grable, Armour whomever to take over for him. That would get rid of the "fast paced spread" offense that destroys you when you go 3 and out every time and only chew up one minute on the clock (or when you can't eat up the clock at the end of the game when you need to). It would also help to protect the defense by getting them off the field more letting the DC grow into the role at this level. Oh well - pipe dreams I know.
 
uncfootballrules said:
As I said before - terrible loss. All aspects of the team were outplayed - offense, defense and special teams. D2, NAIA, whatever. We should not lose that game at home and it should not even be close. I hope I am wrong but it looks like it is shaping up to be another long season.

There are a lot of issues with this team but I think the biggest is that Earnest made a mistake with the coaching staff. Neither coordinator has much experience and it showed on Saturday. The play calling on both sides of the ball was downright pathetic.

Here is my idea for improvement. OK - I admit it is not a realistic scenario, but IMHO it would pay immediate dividends. Earnest needs to walk into the offensive coordinator's office and demote him. He then needs to pick up the phone and beg Dalton to come back as the offensive coordinator for a couple of years and groom Boyer, Grable, Armour whomever to take over for him. That would get rid of the "fast paced spread" offense that destroys you when you go 3 and out every time and only chew up one minute on the clock (or when you can't eat up the clock at the end of the game when you need to). It would also help to protect the defense by getting them off the field more letting the DC grow into the role at this level. Oh well - pipe dreams I know.

Irrevelant pipe dreams at that...Any offense (including an uptempo spread) has a 4-minute game plan to slow down the pace when it's needed. That was not the cause of the loss on Saturday. There were a lot of correctable errors made and I'm confident will be coached through...both by the players and the staff. In fact, the crowd could have participated more when the players needed us. There were several times that players would turn towarad the homeside stands for noise to help build some momentum and their efforts were not met with what we should expect of ourselves as true Bear fans! I like Mountainbear's post in another thread...let's move on and support this program! It will not be an overnight change, but the culture shift has begun. We need to stay the course and get it done, fans included!
 
PlayerParent said:
uncfootballrules said:
As I said before - terrible loss. All aspects of the team were outplayed - offense, defense and special teams. D2, NAIA, whatever. We should not lose that game at home and it should not even be close. I hope I am wrong but it looks like it is shaping up to be another long season.

There are a lot of issues with this team but I think the biggest is that Earnest made a mistake with the coaching staff. Neither coordinator has much experience and it showed on Saturday. The play calling on both sides of the ball was downright pathetic.

Here is my idea for improvement. OK - I admit it is not a realistic scenario, but IMHO it would pay immediate dividends. Earnest needs to walk into the offensive coordinator's office and demote him. He then needs to pick up the phone and beg Dalton to come back as the offensive coordinator for a couple of years and groom Boyer, Grable, Armour whomever to take over for him. That would get rid of the "fast paced spread" offense that destroys you when you go 3 and out every time and only chew up one minute on the clock (or when you can't eat up the clock at the end of the game when you need to). It would also help to protect the defense by getting them off the field more letting the DC grow into the role at this level. Oh well - pipe dreams I know.

Irrevelant pipe dreams at that...Any offense (including an uptempo spread) has a 4-minute game plan to slow down the pace when it's needed. That was not the cause of the loss on Saturday. There were a lot of correctable errors made and I'm confident will be coached through...both by the players and the staff. In fact, the crowd could have participated more when the players needed us. There were several times that players would turn towarad the homeside stands for noise to help build some momentum and their efforts were not met with what we should expect of ourselves as true Bear fans! I like Mountainbear's post in another thread...let's move on and support this program! It will not be an overnight change, but the culture shift has begun. We need to stay the course and get it done, fans included!


So we are supposed to cheer the garbage this team has produced for years now? I'll cheer for the team when they give me something to cheer about and I haven't seen anything close to good football in many years from UNC. I realize people say good fans cheer no matter what but that's not my personality. That would be like cheering when I find out I've been demoted at work but at least I wasn't laid off--or cheer when I find out my dog got hit by a car but at least he wasn't killed. Come on, the fans were watching UNC get dominated by an NAIA team and the players thought that warranted applause . . . pathetic. These players need to realize that it is up to them, and them only, to turn it around. They can give up like they have for many seasons now and have plenty of excuses like not enough fan support, or they can power through like the 90's football team did, or our basketball team recently did. Those teams had no fan support either--until they started winning.


BTW PlayerParent, I'm not intending to personally bash your son, I know there are players on the team doing everything they can to win, I'm talking about what I perceive to be the team attitude.
 
It will be interesting to see how Lindenwood does the rest of the season. If they get beat by any of the DII teams and thrashed by South Dakota then I will feel like we were truly a terrible team. If they blow out all these teams then it might not hurt so bad knowing that we got beat by a really good team. They sure looked a lot better than us on Saturday.
 
PlayerParent said:
uncfootballrules said:
As I said before - terrible loss. All aspects of the team were outplayed - offense, defense and special teams. D2, NAIA, whatever. We should not lose that game at home and it should not even be close. I hope I am wrong but it looks like it is shaping up to be another long season.

There are a lot of issues with this team but I think the biggest is that Earnest made a mistake with the coaching staff. Neither coordinator has much experience and it showed on Saturday. The play calling on both sides of the ball was downright pathetic.

Here is my idea for improvement. OK - I admit it is not a realistic scenario, but IMHO it would pay immediate dividends. Earnest needs to walk into the offensive coordinator's office and demote him. He then needs to pick up the phone and beg Dalton to come back as the offensive coordinator for a couple of years and groom Boyer, Grable, Armour whomever to take over for him. That would get rid of the "fast paced spread" offense that destroys you when you go 3 and out every time and only chew up one minute on the clock (or when you can't eat up the clock at the end of the game when you need to). It would also help to protect the defense by getting them off the field more letting the DC grow into the role at this level. Oh well - pipe dreams I know.

Irrevelant pipe dreams at that...Any offense (including an uptempo spread) has a 4-minute game plan to slow down the pace when it's needed. That was not the cause of the loss on Saturday. There were a lot of correctable errors made and I'm confident will be coached through...both by the players and the staff. In fact, the crowd could have participated more when the players needed us. There were several times that players would turn towarad the homeside stands for noise to help build some momentum and their efforts were not met with what we should expect of ourselves as true Bear fans! I like Mountainbear's post in another thread...let's move on and support this program! It will not be an overnight change, but the culture shift has begun. We need to stay the course and get it done, fans included!

You have to understand that a lot of the frustration right now is spewing over from the Downing era. A lot of people that have followed UNC and post on this board, suffered through the Downing times. What we saw on Saturday was more of the same. Now I'm not comparing Collins staff to Downing's, but you get the point. What I saw Saturday wasn't good, and gives me little hope for the season, now I know its not fair to throw away the season after one game, but you have to understand that a lot of us are use to seeing what we saw, and that's why we think the way we do.

I don't know what happen on Saturday, and call Lindenwood whatever you want, but they should've never beat UNC. They were good, and yes I did underestimate them, but still. But that's the part that doesn't bother me. What does, is how UNC looked at times, or most of the time. They didn't look very good. The offense couldn't get going (which seems to be the case every year), and I blame most of that on the play calling though. The defense, which was suppose to be the strength of the team, got gashed and couldn't hold a 3rd & long situation to save their lives. How many times was Lindenwood able to convert on 3rd & long? Also when your D gives up over 400 yards of total offense, and your offense only puts up over 200.

I think everyone got a big wake up call on Saturday, and hopefully they can learn from it and learn fast. I realize this is process with the new coaching staff and new system being implemented. But, it just didn't look very good on Saturday, and I hope this team comes out and proves me wrong. I know the season is young, there's a lot of games left to be played, so we'll see.

budbear said:
It will be interesting to see how Lindenwood does the rest of the season. If they get beat by any of the DII teams and thrashed by South Dakota then I will feel like we were truly a terrible team. If they blow out all these teams then it might not hurt so bad knowing that we got beat by a really good team. They sure looked a lot better than us on Saturday.

Yeah it will be interesting. I was thinking the same thing.
 
jjjj said:
PlayerParent said:
uncfootballrules said:
As I said before - terrible loss. All aspects of the team were outplayed - offense, defense and special teams. D2, NAIA, whatever. We should not lose that game at home and it should not even be close. I hope I am wrong but it looks like it is shaping up to be another long season.

There are a lot of issues with this team but I think the biggest is that Earnest made a mistake with the coaching staff. Neither coordinator has much experience and it showed on Saturday. The play calling on both sides of the ball was downright pathetic.

Here is my idea for improvement. OK - I admit it is not a realistic scenario, but IMHO it would pay immediate dividends. Earnest needs to walk into the offensive coordinator's office and demote him. He then needs to pick up the phone and beg Dalton to come back as the offensive coordinator for a couple of years and groom Boyer, Grable, Armour whomever to take over for him. That would get rid of the "fast paced spread" offense that destroys you when you go 3 and out every time and only chew up one minute on the clock (or when you can't eat up the clock at the end of the game when you need to). It would also help to protect the defense by getting them off the field more letting the DC grow into the role at this level. Oh well - pipe dreams I know.

Irrevelant pipe dreams at that...Any offense (including an uptempo spread) has a 4-minute game plan to slow down the pace when it's needed. That was not the cause of the loss on Saturday. There were a lot of correctable errors made and I'm confident will be coached through...both by the players and the staff. In fact, the crowd could have participated more when the players needed us. There were several times that players would turn towarad the homeside stands for noise to help build some momentum and their efforts were not met with what we should expect of ourselves as true Bear fans! I like Mountainbear's post in another thread...let's move on and support this program! It will not be an overnight change, but the culture shift has begun. We need to stay the course and get it done, fans included!


So we are supposed to cheer the garbage this team has produced for years now? I'll cheer for the team when they give me something to cheer about and I haven't seen anything close to good football in many years from UNC. I realize people say good fans cheer no matter what but that's not my personality. That would be like cheering when I find out I've been demoted at work but at least I wasn't laid off--or cheer when I find out my dog got hit by a car but at least he wasn't killed. Come on, the fans were watching UNC get dominated by an NAIA team and the players thought that warranted applause . . . pathetic. These players need to realize that it is up to them, and them only, to turn it around. They can give up like they have for many seasons now and have plenty of excuses like not enough fan support, or they can power through like the 90's football team did, or our basketball team recently did. Those teams had no fan support either--until they started winning.


BTW PlayerParent, I'm not intending to personally bash your son, I know there are players on the team doing everything they can to win, I'm talking about what I perceive to be the team attitude.

That's a great post and that's pretty much how I feel. I felt pretty great when Collins was hired, but then he hired some not so great, imo assistant coaches. I've been pretty critical of Amour and I believe it's justified. He's brought in an offense that just because Oregon perfects it, doesn't mean we will come close. You guys ripped me good because I thought it was foolish to not try to hire Peterson back. We had a pretty good offense last year and he probably just installed half, if that into last year. We would have been in year 2 of his offense. We could be lighting teams up. I don't know if he would have left for Tulsa or not, but we should have given him his job back here. The guy could coach. As far as the players, it's mostly on them. I've already got my tix to CSU so I'll use them, but after that I don't know if I feel like spending a dime on another ticket. Can ANYONE after 6 years of losing blame me??? I'll ALWAYS be Blue and Gold, but I work hard for every dime and right now it's not something I want to spend money on. I miss seeing Nottingham Field but man after 6 years of shit play I don't blame anyone for not showing up. Look at the basketball team and you see this community wanting to support a winner. It could happen to football.
 
Beardown said:
jjjj said:
PlayerParent said:
uncfootballrules said:
As I said before - terrible loss. All aspects of the team were outplayed - offense, defense and special teams. D2, NAIA, whatever. We should not lose that game at home and it should not even be close. I hope I am wrong but it looks like it is shaping up to be another long season.

There are a lot of issues with this team but I think the biggest is that Earnest made a mistake with the coaching staff. Neither coordinator has much experience and it showed on Saturday. The play calling on both sides of the ball was downright pathetic.

Here is my idea for improvement. OK - I admit it is not a realistic scenario, but IMHO it would pay immediate dividends. Earnest needs to walk into the offensive coordinator's office and demote him. He then needs to pick up the phone and beg Dalton to come back as the offensive coordinator for a couple of years and groom Boyer, Grable, Armour whomever to take over for him. That would get rid of the "fast paced spread" offense that destroys you when you go 3 and out every time and only chew up one minute on the clock (or when you can't eat up the clock at the end of the game when you need to). It would also help to protect the defense by getting them off the field more letting the DC grow into the role at this level. Oh well - pipe dreams I know.

Irrevelant pipe dreams at that...Any offense (including an uptempo spread) has a 4-minute game plan to slow down the pace when it's needed. That was not the cause of the loss on Saturday. There were a lot of correctable errors made and I'm confident will be coached through...both by the players and the staff. In fact, the crowd could have participated more when the players needed us. There were several times that players would turn towarad the homeside stands for noise to help build some momentum and their efforts were not met with what we should expect of ourselves as true Bear fans! I like Mountainbear's post in another thread...let's move on and support this program! It will not be an overnight change, but the culture shift has begun. We need to stay the course and get it done, fans included!


So we are supposed to cheer the garbage this team has produced for years now? I'll cheer for the team when they give me something to cheer about and I haven't seen anything close to good football in many years from UNC. I realize people say good fans cheer no matter what but that's not my personality. That would be like cheering when I find out I've been demoted at work but at least I wasn't laid off--or cheer when I find out my dog got hit by a car but at least he wasn't killed. Come on, the fans were watching UNC get dominated by an NAIA team and the players thought that warranted applause . . . pathetic. These players need to realize that it is up to them, and them only, to turn it around. They can give up like they have for many seasons now and have plenty of excuses like not enough fan support, or they can power through like the 90's football team did, or our basketball team recently did. Those teams had no fan support either--until they started winning.


BTW PlayerParent, I'm not intending to personally bash your son, I know there are players on the team doing everything they can to win, I'm talking about what I perceive to be the team attitude.

That's a great post and that's pretty much how I feel. I felt pretty great when Collins was hired, but then he hired some not so great, imo assistant coaches. I've been pretty critical of Amour and I believe it's justified. He's brought in an offense that just because Oregon perfects it, doesn't mean we will come close. You guys ripped me good because I thought it was foolish to not try to hire Peterson back. We had a pretty good offense last year and he probably just installed half, if that into last year. We would have been in year 2 of his offense. We could be lighting teams up. I don't know if he would have left for Tulsa or not, but we should have given him his job back here. The guy could coach. As far as the players, it's mostly on them. I've already got my tix to CSU so I'll use them, but after that I don't know if I feel like spending a dime on another ticket. Can ANYONE after 6 years of losing blame me??? I'll ALWAYS be Blue and Gold, but I work hard for every dime and right now it's not something I want to spend money on. I miss seeing Nottingham Field but man after 6 years of shit play I don't blame anyone for not showing up. Look at the basketball team and you see this community wanting to support a winner. It could happen to football.

You realize it's not just Oregon running a no-huddle, spread offense, right? At least half of the current AP Top 25 runs a similar offense to what Armour is installing at UNC, not to mention Eastern Washington and Montana, the top two teams in the Big Sky and defending national champs Auburn.

Get with the programs, the no-huddle spread is what successful college football teams are using these days and Peterson's offense is quickly becoming a relic of the past.
 
Beardown said:
jjjj said:
PlayerParent said:
uncfootballrules said:
As I said before - terrible loss. All aspects of the team were outplayed - offense, defense and special teams. D2, NAIA, whatever. We should not lose that game at home and it should not even be close. I hope I am wrong but it looks like it is shaping up to be another long season.

There are a lot of issues with this team but I think the biggest is that Earnest made a mistake with the coaching staff. Neither coordinator has much experience and it showed on Saturday. The play calling on both sides of the ball was downright pathetic.

Here is my idea for improvement. OK - I admit it is not a realistic scenario, but IMHO it would pay immediate dividends. Earnest needs to walk into the offensive coordinator's office and demote him. He then needs to pick up the phone and beg Dalton to come back as the offensive coordinator for a couple of years and groom Boyer, Grable, Armour whomever to take over for him. That would get rid of the "fast paced spread" offense that destroys you when you go 3 and out every time and only chew up one minute on the clock (or when you can't eat up the clock at the end of the game when you need to). It would also help to protect the defense by getting them off the field more letting the DC grow into the role at this level. Oh well - pipe dreams I know.

Irrevelant pipe dreams at that...Any offense (including an uptempo spread) has a 4-minute game plan to slow down the pace when it's needed. That was not the cause of the loss on Saturday. There were a lot of correctable errors made and I'm confident will be coached through...both by the players and the staff. In fact, the crowd could have participated more when the players needed us. There were several times that players would turn towarad the homeside stands for noise to help build some momentum and their efforts were not met with what we should expect of ourselves as true Bear fans! I like Mountainbear's post in another thread...let's move on and support this program! It will not be an overnight change, but the culture shift has begun. We need to stay the course and get it done, fans included!


So we are supposed to cheer the garbage this team has produced for years now? I'll cheer for the team when they give me something to cheer about and I haven't seen anything close to good football in many years from UNC. I realize people say good fans cheer no matter what but that's not my personality. That would be like cheering when I find out I've been demoted at work but at least I wasn't laid off--or cheer when I find out my dog got hit by a car but at least he wasn't killed. Come on, the fans were watching UNC get dominated by an NAIA team and the players thought that warranted applause . . . pathetic. These players need to realize that it is up to them, and them only, to turn it around. They can give up like they have for many seasons now and have plenty of excuses like not enough fan support, or they can power through like the 90's football team did, or our basketball team recently did. Those teams had no fan support either--until they started winning.


BTW PlayerParent, I'm not intending to personally bash your son, I know there are players on the team doing everything they can to win, I'm talking about what I perceive to be the team attitude.

That's a great post and that's pretty much how I feel. I felt pretty great when Collins was hired, but then he hired some not so great, imo assistant coaches. I've been pretty critical of Amour and I believe it's justified. He's brought in an offense that just because Oregon perfects it, doesn't mean we will come close. You guys ripped me good because I thought it was foolish to not try to hire Peterson back. We had a pretty good offense last year and he probably just installed half, if that into last year. We would have been in year 2 of his offense. We could be lighting teams up. I don't know if he would have left for Tulsa or not, but we should have given him his job back here. The guy could coach. As far as the players, it's mostly on them. I've already got my tix to CSU so I'll use them, but after that I don't know if I feel like spending a dime on another ticket. Can ANYONE after 6 years of losing blame me??? I'll ALWAYS be Blue and Gold, but I work hard for every dime and right now it's not something I want to spend money on. I miss seeing Nottingham Field but man after 6 years of shit play I don't blame anyone for not showing up. Look at the basketball team and you see this community wanting to support a winner. It could happen to football.

I don't think Peterson would have made much of a difference if he would have stayed. I remember seeing some shitty play calling when he was here too. Lindenwood ran the same offense as UNC did, but how were they able to put up over 400 yards of total offense and we weren't? It comes down to execution and play calling. Those two things have to improve if we want to see a better offense on the field.
 
You realize it's not just Oregon running a no-huddle, spread offense, right? At least half of the current AP Top 25 runs a similar offense to what Armour is installing at UNC, not to mention Eastern Washington and Montana, the top two teams in the Big Sky and defending national champs Auburn.

Get with the programs, the no-huddle spread is what successful college football teams are using these days and Peterson's offense is quickly becoming a relic of the past.

I'm not sure that Petersen was the answer. That being said I don't think you need to run the spread to be a successful college program. We won a lot of games around here running a pro style offense. The key is to be proficient and play to your strengths. The fact is we don't have Cam Newton or LaMichael James in the backfield and have never had a lot of those types of players. We do get very nice players that can run between the tackles for a 4.5 yard average opening up play action and the down the field passing game. Just because the spread is the hot offense right now does not mean that is what we have to run. It is OK to have our own identity. Would't mind getting back to an ass kicking mentality vs. we're going to outsmart and finesse you.
 
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In my mind, it's worse than the Chadron game. I'm usually not one of guys that always say "told you so" but I'll do it any ways. I told you so. We have a gimmick offense and a horrible defense. It's going to be a long year folks. BTW, Jay needs to be fired for scheduling this game. :twisted: :twisted:







In no way is this loss compared to Chadron. Let's not forget that Chadron was the Div.2 final four contestant. And oh yeah Danny Woohead!!! Yeah did we forget Woodhead leads all NCAA football 1,2,3 ,NAIA he is the all time leading rusher period. Has no one on that team that could play anywhere else in the BiG sky , let's stop making excuses and giving players undeserved credit. The Rb from Lindenwood was ok , but where else could start in the big sky besides here at NC or Idaho St. No where is that answer! Let's face it the team was unprepared and just beat up and down the field all game. There is no excuse an NAIA school should beat you at home just like Downing Lost in 2007 to Chadron , those games have to be wins no if's about it they are a must. Collins showed me alot that game which was nothing. Offense looked to be defeated like the 2007 team, and the defense couldn't stop a nose bleed. Owens and Riggins should be better than by now.
 

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