weberwildcat
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i am a big bovee fan and we were playing 2 fbs before he got here but as a fan i can't stand seeing these 2 fbs per year any longer.
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WSU football scheduling.
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MrLevski
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I'm NOT a fan of the 2 FBS games a year either. I think building a winning program (ala Montana) would bring in more $$$ long term and also help recruit better players. There might be a few years of tight budgets as a result of playing fewer FBS games.
Until then maybe Weber can threaten to cancel it's football program. When the tried that back in the 90s, it seemed the got a solid year of attendance out of a mediocre season with that marketing trick. :-D
Until then maybe Weber can threaten to cancel it's football program. When the tried that back in the 90s, it seemed the got a solid year of attendance out of a mediocre season with that marketing trick. :-D
smjcpa1
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MrLevski said:
I hope this was said "tongue in cheek". I don't know, but I was at the meeting when Paul (I hate athletics) Thompson said that unless there were a certain number of season football tickets sold, they would cancel football. This was not a marketing "trick". I personally know all of the guys that put together the committee to save Wildcat Football. It was a mediocre season because we lost our starting QB, Brad Otten, to USC. The football coaches did almost NO recruiting because they were pounding the pavement in the city selling season tickets. I could go on and on about this, but what really matters is that we get butts in seats for all the home games. :clap:
MrLevski
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Yes, it was.
And thanks for the info about the threat of canceling the football season being real. I was a student when that was going on and it seems like there was a lot of talk at the time of it being some kind of marketing ploy.
And, for the record, I don't want the Wildcats to cancel football--EVER!
oldrunner
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I don't see it that way at all, AJ. If we ever want to compete at the upper levels of our division, we are going to have to rise to the level of competing with these teams that you are speaking of. We should be recruiting kids that believe they can beat these teams and then we should go out and beat a few of them. We should, at least, be competetive. To say that you just want to play creampuffs all the time is to give in to mediocrity. I say, if you want to be the best you have to play the best. And, if we get a payday at the same time, all the better.
Is it hard?
He!! yes.
Is it good for us?
He!! yes! :thumb:
Is it hard?
He!! yes.
Is it good for us?
He!! yes! :thumb:
Creampuff?? I didnt say a damn thing about playing creampuffs. :roll: What my point is is that we should be playing 1 BIG $$ game a year, such as Oregon, Nebraska, etc... Not 2 mediocre paying FBS teams every year. I understand WSU HAS to play money games, my point is bring on the biggest money games you can find. Not give BYU, Utah, and Ut St hometown discounts. Why is this so fuckig hard for some to understand? :wall: :wall: :wall:oldrunner said:
Waldo2
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I think the schedule hard teams because it makes you stronger approach is misguided. It produces these outcomes: a demoralized team that loses some of their fight. Injuries against bigger and stronger players. A losing record which perpetuates the problem of the being able to recruit high caliber players, sell tickets, attract donors, etc.
The answer in my opinion is to schedule 1 body bag game (i.e. Oregon) and then cupcakes to pad your record. An 8 and 3 record sounds a lot better than 6 and 5. Perception changes so as to view the program as a winner and the recruiting,, ticket sales, and donors follow.
The answer in my opinion is to schedule 1 body bag game (i.e. Oregon) and then cupcakes to pad your record. An 8 and 3 record sounds a lot better than 6 and 5. Perception changes so as to view the program as a winner and the recruiting,, ticket sales, and donors follow.
oldrunner
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These are all valid points. I think that once we have completed the majority of our infrastructure building, that we will be able to schedule a little more like you are suggesting. Over the last 10 years we have been quite agressive in this effort and it is begining to show. A few more good years and maybe we can push this over the top. I feel that our administration and coaches are doing a good job of building. We just need a few more key players to step up, sign up, and take us to that next level. I'm sure it will happen. I just wish it would happen sooner than later. :nod:
My point is this:
I would rather have 1 loss on my record to earn $700k than have 2 losses on my record and earn $600k
Infrastructure, butts in seats, etc.... have NOTHING to do with this.
1 automatic loss for $700k is MUCH better than 2 automatic losses for $600k :twocents:
I would rather have 1 loss on my record to earn $700k than have 2 losses on my record and earn $600k
Infrastructure, butts in seats, etc.... have NOTHING to do with this.
1 automatic loss for $700k is MUCH better than 2 automatic losses for $600k :twocents:
oldrunner
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AJ;
In a perfect world, what you are describing would be wonderful. It's just not that easy to get those $700K games. The $300K to $400K games are much more common. It's not like we just get our pick of games. The higher paying games are usually due to last minute changes in a top 10 team's schedule. It's hard to predict those things happening. I guess, you could just schedule 10 games and then hope something opened up.
In a perfect world, what you are describing would be wonderful. It's just not that easy to get those $700K games. The $300K to $400K games are much more common. It's not like we just get our pick of games. The higher paying games are usually due to last minute changes in a top 10 team's schedule. It's hard to predict those things happening. I guess, you could just schedule 10 games and then hope something opened up.
Get all the jist...but keep in mind that come 2014 (?) when the "playoffs system" begins anew, the FBS teams (at least biggies) will likely drop playing any FCS boys because the damage effect to strength of schedule criteria in picking the contenders. All this might be mute then, and WSU will be lucky to get the Big Bro's of Utah to schedule them. Also consider that even though the payoff for instate games is less, you're looking at considerable savings in travel costs and time away from class issues. Bovee ain't doin such a bad job, he's thinking ahead maybe. :twocents:
weberwildcat
Active member
oldrunner,
are you saying these fbs games have been helping these facilities improvements we saw in the mac era? if so, that makes me less peeved about the fbs games though i still hate them. i am looking forward to the end zone plaza but more excited about the indoor faciltiy which is very important for future recruting in case we get stuck with a not so great coach we could at least have facilities in place to keep us competing.
alumniwsu makes some good points about the changes coming in fbs and forecasting what many are expecting to see....at least with the schools who consider themselves bcs title condtenders wont be able to afford having a fcs opponent on their schedule. i still think there will be plenty of body bag games for all us fcs schools and there will still be plenty of giant payouts. its kinda like fcs schools scheduling a non DI, its a win, its a home game, not everyone is thinking about the fcs playoffs or bcs bowls even though we all want to be there.
i like the idea of more time at home and in class for the student-athletes and i understand the cost savings of no plane tkts/hotels...etc, but unfortunately in college football time away from class is not a priority or a concern or at least it appears that way in general.
if you could tell me playing 2 fbs per year would guarantee a 95% graduation rate of our players then im on board, lets do this every year.
are you saying these fbs games have been helping these facilities improvements we saw in the mac era? if so, that makes me less peeved about the fbs games though i still hate them. i am looking forward to the end zone plaza but more excited about the indoor faciltiy which is very important for future recruting in case we get stuck with a not so great coach we could at least have facilities in place to keep us competing.
alumniwsu makes some good points about the changes coming in fbs and forecasting what many are expecting to see....at least with the schools who consider themselves bcs title condtenders wont be able to afford having a fcs opponent on their schedule. i still think there will be plenty of body bag games for all us fcs schools and there will still be plenty of giant payouts. its kinda like fcs schools scheduling a non DI, its a win, its a home game, not everyone is thinking about the fcs playoffs or bcs bowls even though we all want to be there.
i like the idea of more time at home and in class for the student-athletes and i understand the cost savings of no plane tkts/hotels...etc, but unfortunately in college football time away from class is not a priority or a concern or at least it appears that way in general.
if you could tell me playing 2 fbs per year would guarantee a 95% graduation rate of our players then im on board, lets do this every year.
oldrunner
Active member
catcat;
I don't know the exact breakout of revenue sources or expenditures. I do know that most of our scholarship expenses are covered by Wildcat Club membership donations, that facility improvements come from donations and other administrative funds, that coaches salaries and expenses come mostly out of student fees. Money coming in from these FBS games is most likely dumped into administrative funds. I think that managing money is one of Bovee's strong points.
I don't know the exact breakout of revenue sources or expenditures. I do know that most of our scholarship expenses are covered by Wildcat Club membership donations, that facility improvements come from donations and other administrative funds, that coaches salaries and expenses come mostly out of student fees. Money coming in from these FBS games is most likely dumped into administrative funds. I think that managing money is one of Bovee's strong points.
Jerry Ephing Bovee himself is on record as saying that he turned down a big money game from Oregon and has actually asked them to not call back. So don't tell me the $700k games aren't available. and since money clearly speaks louder than anything then I do believe it is time for me to be heard by NOT renewing my football season tickets and by NOT re-joining the Wildcat club. :finger: I just can't accept scheduling yourself OUT of the playoffs every year anymore! :evil:oldrunner said:
This was posted by a non-WSU fan about our scheduling on championshipsubdivision.com
by LDopaPDX » Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:16 pm
Is the Weber fanbase/alumni/donor groups getting on the ADs ass about the scheduling? Weber does the same thing as EWU, which is scheduling in ways that do nothing but cause problems for the team. Any AD should see value in putting a manageable schedule forth that gives your team the best chance of success and mkaing the playoffs, not seeking a few payouts.
It seems like Weber State does this kind of scheduling a lot, and it really never works. Or at least it makes it far more difficult than it needs to be to make the playoffs. Eastern does the same thing, and I know the AD is starting to take heat for how stupid some of the games are and his aversion to playing at home.
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by LDopaPDX » Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:16 pm
Is the Weber fanbase/alumni/donor groups getting on the ADs ass about the scheduling? Weber does the same thing as EWU, which is scheduling in ways that do nothing but cause problems for the team. Any AD should see value in putting a manageable schedule forth that gives your team the best chance of success and mkaing the playoffs, not seeking a few payouts.
It seems like Weber State does this kind of scheduling a lot, and it really never works. Or at least it makes it far more difficult than it needs to be to make the playoffs. Eastern does the same thing, and I know the AD is starting to take heat for how stupid some of the games are and his aversion to playing at home.
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hawkssb04
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That's all nice in theory AJ, but much harder to pull off than it sounds. There are only so many of those "big" FBS schools that are willing to schedule money games with lower division opponents. Competition is very stiff among smaller schools to land those games. For example, Montana had an incredibly hard time scheduling Tennessee a few years back. Also, with the upcoming BCS playoff system, those same schools are going to be far less inclined to schedule the "confidence builders" against the Weber State's of the world when strength of schedule is going to be much more important to contenders. You think it's hard to get those games now, just wait a few years when it will be close to impossible.ajwildcat said:
weberwildcat
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hawks, if your right, which im still skeptical even with the fbs changes this would be great news for weber fans that hate the 2 fbs games. if it becomes harder to schedule fbs games and less going around the schools hogging 2 of them like us, it may not happen. so if we can only get one that would be pretty cool.
hawkssb04
Active member
Don't look now, but this team was never going to make the playoffs even if WSU had their one patsy game that you are so desperately hung up on as if Bovee's scheduling is causing all the problems. You'd be incredibly naive to think that this year's team was going to win seven games, even under the best of circumstances. Too much distraction with the coaching fiasco, too many losses from last year's squad, too much youth, and now, too many injuries. Get over yourself AJ. Everyone's tired of your fucking whining. :wall:ajwildcat said: