2014 Starting 5

[Itiger]

:+1:

Just my opinion, but I think it would be a huge disservice to Zack and the team to play him this year, when his role would be so small. In my evaluation, he is the #5 big man in the system and would rarely see any PT. Next year, after a years development and added maturity, he could be a substantial contributor.

Why burn a year for nothing? :twocents:

5th????? :doh: :doh:

 

[wsucatfan]

:+1:

Just my opinion, but I think it would be a huge disservice to Zack and the team to play him this year, when his role would be so small. In my evaluation, he is the #5 big man in the system and would rarely see any PT. Next year, after a years development and added maturity, he could be a substantial contributor.

Why burn a year for nothing? :twocents:

5th????? :doh: :doh:

He sure didn't look like the 5th best big to me. I think we'll see Zach playing this year.

 

[oldrunner]

OK. I'll bite on that.

Who do you think he is beating out for 4th, James or Jaelyn?

Or, Do you think he should be starting in place of Bolomboy or Hill?

Or, do you think that Hill is going to replace Gittens at 3, making Zack the 4th big?

I just want to understand what parallel universe you are coming from. :stir:

 

[Webergrad02]

Olds I am sorry but I am starting to think you have something personal against Braxton. In person and on the board you continually point out the negative when the Braxton subject comes up. I don't think you can think of JC as a big. I know he plays 4 but he is so undersized that I am not sure you lump him in with Hajek, Braxton and Bolomboy. Offensively I like Zach's game better than Hajek's. On defense James has the edge over him. Yes between JC and Braxton I would rather see Braxton play, but they are totally different players.

 

[oldrunner]

I love Zack. I think he is going to be great for us. Just not this year.

OK. Let's say that we are not lumping all of the bigs together, even though that is exactly what happens. Let's say that we are just looking at centers, 5s. That would put Zack at #3. He would see the floor about once every third or fourth game, for 5 minutes or less. In your minds, is that worth burning a full year of eligibility? Or, is that role better played by someone else? I've watched these guys play about 7 times now and the P/W game was the best I have seen out of Zack, and I still don't think he played better than James. I don't see how you have him beating James out for playing time. Maybe you know something that I don't know, but I just don't see it. I think that it is wishful thinking our your part. I've been hopeful too. Let's face it, if Zack is good enough to beat out our 5th year senior, it would make our team that much better. When I take an honest look at it, I just can't see that it has happened.

I think that everyone can see Zack's potential, but potential doesn't beat USU or BYU.

 

[Da Bears]

Olds I am sorry but I am starting to think you have something personal against Braxton. In person and on the board you continually point out the negative when the Braxton subject comes up. I don't think you can think of JC as a big. I know he plays 4 but he is so undersized that I am not sure you lump him in with Hajek, Braxton and Bolomboy. Offensively I like Zach's game better than Hajek's. On defense James has the edge over him. Yes between JC and Braxton I would rather see Braxton play, but they are totally different players.

It's all good! Let's not forget we're comparing a true Freshman to 5th year Seniors and JUCO transfers. It's a good thing for Weber that we have first year players that can compete at this high of a level. It really doesn't matter if he's redshirted or if he plays this year, having this type of player at Weber is good for our program and will help attract higher caliber recruits. It's important that the future not just be about winning the BSC or getting to the NCAA's. The future needs to be about winning some games at the dance.

Old's will come around..... By January he'll be Braxton's biggest fan! :fuel:

 

[wsucatfan]

To me it looked like the starting 5 will be

PG: Senglin
SG: Golden
SF: Gittens
PF: Hill
C : Bolomboy

I think we will see Braxton and Hunter being the first two off the bench. Hajek, Coston, and Richardson/Jefferson will end up seeing time as well.

I have only seen the P & W game, so I'm not sold on either of the JC transfers being a starter, so just going off that:

PG: Senglin
SG: Gittens
SF: Hill
PF: Bolomboy
C : Hajek

Go big or go home.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

To me it looked like the starting 5 will be

PG: Senglin
SG: Golden
SF: Gittens
PF: Hill
C : Bolomboy

I think we will see Braxton and Hunter being the first two off the bench. Hajek, Coston, and Richardson/Jefferson will end up seeing time as well.

I have only seen the P & W game, so I'm not sold on either of the JC transfers being a starter, so just going off that:

PG: Senglin
SG: Gittens
SF: Hill
PF: Bolomboy
C : Hajek

Go big or go home.

I actually like the thought of that lineup but offensively can it work or would it be too crowded around the paint? I wanna see Gittens, Hill, and Bolomboy on the floor together but I think all three need space for their athleticism.

 

[oldrunner]

I actually like the lineup with Hajek at center and Hill on the wing. That would likely give Braxton 10 to 15 minutes a game and not allow him to get a red shirt year. The only problem I see with that is that Golden is the second best shooter, ball handler, and scorer on the team. He needs to be on the floor to space it out for Bolomboy and Hill to maneuver inside and not allow the other team to double down on them.

Every time I start thinking about that, I realize how valuable it is to have a guy like Hajek as the first big off the bench. I actually feel that Braxton's chances of beating out Johnson-Coston are better.

Having witnessed, over the years, how Randy positions players, I see Hill getting very limited time on the wing this year. I do see him being moved there in the future, just not sure when. Maybe next year. In the meantime, I don't see how we keep Gittens and Golden off the floor. :twocents:

 

[Midmajor??]

I actually like the lineup with Hajek at center and Hill on the wing. That would likely give Braxton 10 to 15 minutes a game and not allow him to get a red shirt year. The only problem I see with that is that Golden is the second best shooter, ball handler, and scorer on the team. He needs to be on the floor to space it out for Bolomboy and Hill to maneuver inside and not allow the other team to double down on them.

Every time I start thinking about that, I realize how valuable it is to have a guy like Hajek as the first big off the bench. I actually feel that Braxton's chances of beating out Johnson-Coston are better.

Having witnessed, over the years, how Randy positions players, I see Hill getting very limited time on the wing this year. I do see him being moved there in the future, just not sure when. Maybe next year. In the meantime, I don't see how we keep Gittens and Golden off the floor. :twocents:

The only problem with your announcement that Golden is our second best scorer is that in 25 minutes on the court on Wed he had 1 point. I agree he has the potential, but going to need more production before being anointed the second best shooter and scorer. The JC's need to earn their stripes, just like the Freshmen.

 

[oldrunner]

Yes. You are correct. Golden and Johnson-Coston are going to have to convince us, in front of a crowd. They have done that in practice, but need to do it in front of a crowd. I feel that Golden will get over his nerves and be just fine, but who really knows. He did have two of our best defenders guarding him most of the night. For a short time they had Hill on him. I think that was primarily to give Hill somebody quicker to guard. It also may have some to do with preparing Hill to play a little on the wing, against smaller quicker guys. :nod:

 

[SWWeatherCat]

Yes. You are correct. Golden and Johnson-Coston are going to have to convince us, in front of a crowd. They have done that in practice, but need to do it in front of a crowd. I feel that Golden will get over his nerves and be just fine, but who really knows. He did have two of our best defenders guarding him most of the night. For a short time they had Hill on him. I think that was primarily to give Hill somebody quicker to guard. It also may have some to do with preparing Hill to play a little on the wing, against smaller quicker guys. :nod:

Not just in front of a crowd but as Big Sky, non-JC players. I have a tough time considering player ranking in certain aspects when the players included haven't yet competed equally. Practice and P-n-W aren't the real thing.

 

[oldrunner]

As fans, we see them in game situations only. I think that a players initial ranking and playing time is based on what has happened in practice. Each practice is video taped and reviewed by the coaches. Statistics are also kept on all practices and scrimmages. These decisions are never based on somebodies feelings. Rankings and playing time are earned, not given out. If a player is earning it in practice, but it isn't showing through in games, then that is taken into consideration as well. The more game experience the coaches get with their new players, the more they can refine the rotations.

When wee see a player do some good things in a game, it makes us wonder why they are not getting more time. However, we are only seeing part of the equation. I have always liked to see everyone play. That may be one reason I watch practices as much as I do. The reason the coaches tighten up the rotation the way they do, is because they are trying to give the team the best possible chance of winning. I, absolutely, understand that thinking. :twocents:

 

[sacstateman]

Yes. You are correct. Golden and Johnson-Coston are going to have to convince us, in front of a crowd. They have done that in practice, but need to do it in front of a crowd. I feel that Golden will get over his nerves and be just fine, but who really knows. He did have two of our best defenders guarding him most of the night. For a short time they had Hill on him. I think that was primarily to give Hill somebody quicker to guard. It also may have some to do with preparing Hill to play a little on the wing, against smaller quicker guys. :nod:

Not just in front of a crowd but as Big Sky, non-JC players. I have a tough time considering player ranking in certain aspects when the players included haven't yet competed equally. Practice and P-n-W aren't the real thing.

Amen.....you better start drinking the kool-aid SWWeatherCat.....you think too rationally...lol

 

[Itiger]

As fans, we see them in game situations only. I think that a players initial ranking and playing time is based on what has happened in practice. Each practice is video taped and reviewed by the coaches. Statistics are also kept on all practices and scrimmages. These decisions are never based on somebodies feelings. Rankings and playing time are earned, not given out. If a player is earning it in practice, but it isn't showing through in games, then that is taken into consideration as well. The more game experience the coaches get with their new players, the more they can refine the rotations.

When wee see a player do some good things in a game, it makes us wonder why they are not getting more time. However, we are only seeing part of the equation. I have always liked to see everyone play. That may be one reason I watch practices as much as I do. The reason the coaches tighten up the rotation the way they do, is because they are trying to give the team the best possible chance of winning. I, absolutely, understand that thinking. :twocents:

Great! Allamerican practice players! It's about the gametime performance. If he doesn't perform in the games he'll be watching!

 

[oldrunner]

That's what the preseason is all about. After seeing several preseason games, the coaches will be better equipped to put more weight on games and less on practice. By the time league games start they should have a good handle on game performance. At that time, practice performance, other than effort, may not be nearly as important. For the next month or two, practice may still be the most important place for each player to prove their worth. Plus, if they don't do it there, they may not get much of a chance in actual games. In the case of red shirt decisions, they have to be made this week, with no real game experience. Red shirts can't even play in exhibition games and still save the year. The only exception to that is in the case of a season ending injury. Then there are other rules for a medical hardship year. So, for red shirt decisions, practice is the only thing to judge by. Not sure I like that rule, but that is how it is, and why it is such a big deal to pull the red shirt off a player in the middle of a season. It is also the reason I think they will not red shirt more than 2 players. If they were to red shirt 3 players, it would leave them with just 9 scholarship players and there would be no room for the potential of injuries. :twocents:

 

[n.ogdencat]

The two I would hope red shirt, are Jefferson and Richardson for completely different reasons. Jefferson needs it to recoup the year he lost when he got injured. He needs to find his confidence and become comfortable. He is such a talented player and has such potential. With a red shirt, I feel he could fully recover from his injury, regain his confidence, get comfortable playing at the college lever, and get stronger, quicker, and finally familiar with the system. His ceiling is extremely high, and with a red shirt he would reach it. Richardson could play. He has the confidence and the shooting touch, but he needs to grow into his body more. Also the year would really help him to understand the college game far better and to become far more familiar with the program. The kids ceiling probably, could be the highest on the team. He needs time to develop his game to fully trap his potential. 5 years would = a great possibility of playing at the next level. I'm not saying NBA necessarily, but he does have the perfect body type and shooting ability to play at the next. He needs size, speed, and ball handling abilities.

 

[Back2WSU]

In the case of red shirt decisions, they have to be made this week, with no real game experience. Red shirts can't even play in exhibition games and still save the year.

That's not correct. Players can and will play in exhibition games before redshirt decisions are made

 

[WSUbball24]

I don't think there's even a remote chance Rahe is going to redshirt the kid in hopes of saving eligibility for future years. He's to good a player to accept that role.

I'm not sure what they added to your medication Oldrunner but I just done see it happening! You have a better chance of Williams coming off the bench! :rofl:

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