2016/17 schedule

[SWeberCat02]

"We want to play the best and biggest teams we can play" said Rahe. :roll:

Then why not add a couple of P5 road games? We still had some games spots available. Coach says whatever he wants and no one holds him accountable.

I think almost all fans would rather see the team go on the road and do that instead of playing non-D1s at home.

Keep in mind that the players are STUDENTS. They will miss almost an entire week of classes in order to go out to CA and play Pepperdine and Stanford.

Not sure when another road trip could be fit in. If it's in place of the Antelope Valley "game" then that means the players will miss an extra 2 days of classes right before the week long trip to CA for Pepperdine and Stanford. After the tourney in Alaska they are home for a week. I can't see trying to schedule another road trip during that week. Then they have BYU on the 7th. Classes end on the 9th and exams are the following week. So a road game couldn't be on the 10th in place of the West Coast Baptist "game." After exam week they play UVU and then go to Utah State. Again, I don't see where a road game can fit in. I think what's on the schedule this year in terms of road games is great.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a better home schedule, and I don't blame folks for not wanting to attend the NAIA "games." I have season tickets and sometimes don't bother to go to those games. But I take Rahe at his word that no one wants to come play Weber at the Dee. I remember something Rahe said another coach told him last year after turning down a trip to WSU. "If I'm going to schedule a road game, why should I go to Weber and likely lose, when I could go to Washington and lose and make a lot $$ doing so."

Good points. Sometimes as fans we tend to forget that these guys are students first and foremost.

 

[ajwildcat]

"We want to play the best and biggest teams we can play" said Rahe. :roll:

Then why not add a couple of P5 road games? We still had some games spots available. Coach says whatever he wants and no one holds him accountable.

I think almost all fans would rather see the team go on the road and do that instead of playing non-D1s at home.

Keep in mind that the players are STUDENTS. They will miss almost an entire week of classes in order to go out to CA and play Pepperdine and Stanford.

Not sure when another road trip could be fit in. If it's in place of the Antelope Valley "game" then that means the players will miss an extra 2 days of classes right before the week long trip to CA for Pepperdine and Stanford. After the tourney in Alaska they are home for a week. I can't see trying to schedule another road trip during that week. Then they have BYU on the 7th. Classes end on the 9th and exams are the following week. So a road game couldn't be on the 10th in place of the West Coast Baptist "game." After exam week they play UVU and then go to Utah State. Again, I don't see where a road game can fit in. I think what's on the schedule this year in terms of road games is great.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a better home schedule, and I don't blame folks for not wanting to attend the NAIA "games." I have season tickets and sometimes don't bother to go to those games. But I take Rahe at his word that no one wants to come play Weber at the Dee. I remember something Rahe said another coach told him last year after turning down a trip to WSU. "If I'm going to schedule a road game, why should I go to Weber and likely lose, when I could go to Washington and lose and make a lot $$ doing so."

First off, scheduling is NOT about how much class these STUDENTS will or will not miss... 2nd, how do you explain Montana getting legit home game when Weber doesn't? For hells sakes, Cedar is HOSTING UNLV. You can buy all the bull crap excuses you want...in the meantime I have some investment property for sale in the west desert of Utah if you want to buy that too.. :wall:

 

[n.ogdencat]

"We want to play the best and biggest teams we can play" said Rahe. :roll:

Then why not add a couple of P5 road games? We still had some games spots available. Coach says whatever he wants and no one holds him accountable.

I think almost all fans would rather see the team go on the road and do that instead of playing non-D1s at home.

Keep in mind that the players are STUDENTS. They will miss almost an entire week of classes in order to go out to CA and play Pepperdine and Stanford.

Not sure when another road trip could be fit in. If it's in place of the Antelope Valley "game" then that means the players will miss an extra 2 days of classes right before the week long trip to CA for Pepperdine and Stanford. After the tourney in Alaska they are home for a week. I can't see trying to schedule another road trip during that week. Then they have BYU on the 7th. Classes end on the 9th and exams are the following week. So a road game couldn't be on the 10th in place of the West Coast Baptist "game." After exam week they play UVU and then go to Utah State. Again, I don't see where a road game can fit in. I think what's on the schedule this year in terms of road games is great.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a better home schedule, and I don't blame folks for not wanting to attend the NAIA "games." I have season tickets and sometimes don't bother to go to those games. But I take Rahe at his word that no one wants to come play Weber at the Dee. I remember something Rahe said another coach told him last year after turning down a trip to WSU. "If I'm going to schedule a road game, why should I go to Weber and likely lose, when I could go to Washington and lose and make a lot $$ doing so."

:thumb: Excellent post!!

Just want to highlight the last sentence...with more $$$ athletics would be able to do a lot more. You aren't going to get Cleveland State or Houston Baptist to the Dee unless you are going to give them 80K+, maybe even more. This is why marketing is such a failure. The entire purpose of having a marketing guy is to make money. TO GENERATE REVENUE. The potential is there, we just keep pissing our opportunities away.

 

[WILDCAT]

Offer Gonzaga a bunch of money to come here and I mean a bunch. The Dee holds north of 11,000. and a team like Gonzaga would draw a very nice crowd, (Zags fans travel well) charge a little more for tickets and you may just make up the difference.


Crowds come to see quality games. If Montana can get Oregon State at home like they did a few years ago then so can we, we just need to be willing to pony up the money.

 

[Geo-Guy15]

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a better home schedule, and I don't blame folks for not wanting to attend the NAIA "games." I have season tickets and sometimes don't bother to go to those games. But I take Rahe at his word that no one wants to come play Weber at the Dee. I remember something Rahe said another coach told him last year after turning down a trip to WSU. "If I'm going to schedule a road game, why should I go to Weber and likely lose, when I could go to Washington and lose and make a lot $$ doing so."

Good post. Like the majority of fans, I won't be spending my hard earned money to go watch us beat West Coast whatever and Antelope something by 40 points. The entertaining part of sports in the competition, and neither of those games will feature any real competition.

It is obviously really hard to get good opponents to come to the Dee. I do agree that I think they can get it done, but to say that Bovee and Rahe are terrible/don't know what their doing/incompetent is a bit of an overstatement. Scheduling for the vast majority of mid major schools is a real problem these days. The atmosphere of college basketball makes it very very difficult to get good teams to play away early in the year. This is not just a problem for Weber State. I do believe Bovee when he says he wants to bring in the best teams possible (look at our OOC football schedule and the teams we've been able to get to come to Ogden).

The Denver and UVU games are pretty good. I'm happy that we've got road games against Stanford and Pepperdine. BYU and Utah State are good games, they just both happen to be away this season. The Alaska tournament should have some decent competition as well. The sky is not falling. Some of you sound like you've just endured a tragedy... It's just basketball. This is supposed to be fun, remember?

I'd like to see the Big Sky take some initiative and work out a negotiation with another conference to get teams playing home and home series. I'm thinking the WAC, Big West, and Summit Leagues could be good fits. I'm sure that teams from these conferences face similar challenges when in comes to scheduling. Mid major conferences need to help each other out, or the separation in money, coverage, and interest between power 5 league teams and the rest of the NCAA will just continue to grow.

 

[Skippy]

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a better home schedule, and I don't blame folks for not wanting to attend the NAIA "games." I have season tickets and sometimes don't bother to go to those games. But I take Rahe at his word that no one wants to come play Weber at the Dee. I remember something Rahe said another coach told him last year after turning down a trip to WSU. "If I'm going to schedule a road game, why should I go to Weber and likely lose, when I could go to Washington and lose and make a lot $$ doing so."

Good post. Like the majority of fans, I won't be spending my hard earned money to go watch us beat West Coast whatever and Antelope something by 40 points. The entertaining part of sports in the competition, and neither of those games will feature any real competition.

It is obviously really hard to get good opponents to come to the Dee. I do agree that I think they can get it done, but to say that Bovee and Rahe are terrible/don't know what their doing/incompetent is a bit of an overstatement. Scheduling for the vast majority of mid major schools is a real problem these days. The atmosphere of college basketball makes it very very difficult to get good teams to play away early in the year. This is not just a problem for Weber State. I do believe Bovee when he says he wants to bring in the best teams possible (look at our OOC football schedule and the teams we've been able to get to come to Ogden).

The Denver and UVU games are pretty good. I'm happy that we've got road games against Stanford and Pepperdine. BYU and Utah State are good games, they just both happen to be away this season. The Alaska tournament should have some decent competition as well. The sky is not falling. Some of you sound like you've just endured a tragedy... It's just basketball. This is supposed to be fun, remember?

I'd like to see the Big Sky take some initiative and work out a negotiation with another conference to get teams playing home and home series. I'm thinking the WAC, Big West, and Summit Leagues could be good fits. I'm sure that teams from these conferences face similar challenges when in comes to scheduling. Mid major conferences need to help each other out, or the separation in money, coverage, and interest between power 5 league teams and the rest of the NCAA will just continue to grow.

The Big Sky has engaged a number of mid-major conferences to try to set up scheduling agreements and challenge series -- without success. Bottom line: nobody wants to travel to Pocatello, Flagstaff or Greeley in return for a home game with a team with a 300 RPI.

 

[WILDCAT]

Well at least the Pepperdine game is a home and home. So we should get the Waves at home in either 2017 or 18.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Waves are, supposedly, coming in the 17-18 season.

As for a challenge...I heard that the Sky was fairly close to working out a deal with a local conference. However, from what I heard it died this Summer. Bengal does bring up a great point. Getting to a number of Sky Schools is fairly difficult. Shockingly enough, Weber is one of the easiest to commute to. We have a fairly accessible municipal airport and are just over a half-hour away from a major international airport. Finally, we have a really strong RPI and we, as we all know, really struggle to get home games. I think this is a division wide issue. It is time for a couple of things to happen.

A. The NCAA regulates DI programs and creates a rule that teams have to travel so many games each season. Having 15 home OOC games should no longer be allowed. You have to travel at least 2/3 times during the preseason, and Neutral's don't count.

B. Scheduling should be taken out of the hands of the coaches.

C. Maybe create an incentive for teams willing to travel more. Give them more money at the end of the season. Like ISU has 14 road games and gets an extra 5K from the NCAA for every game over 10. I don't know...Money talks.

 

[Skippy]

Idaho State's athletic director says in an ISU website article that the Big Sky is looking at going to 9 league games in football. Maybe that will lead to the obvious conclusion of going to 22 league games in basketball. That sure would make getting D-1 home games easier.

 

[RunnerJoe]

I found it interesting that Brandon Garside blamed the bad home schedule on the NCAA in his latest podcast. I can see his points but I think it's more than that.

 

[oldrunner]

I found it interesting that Brandon Garside blamed the bad home schedule on the NCAA in his latest podcast. I can see his points but I think it's more than that.

I agree with Brandon's reasoning, partially. On the surface, all of Randy's excuses seem reasonable. However, if you dig a bit deeper, you will find that there are many DI programs out there who would do a HnH contract with us, but , just like many high and mid-major programs feel about us, Randy does not want to play at their place and we don't have the money to bring them in for a home only. Also, there are high-mid-majors who would do a two for one deal, but that is not to Randy's liking either. I've said it before, coaches don't like to take the risk of losing on the road to a team that they should, realistically beat. Their fans throw them under the bus, and they don't really get a higher RPI for doing it. Yes, the NCAA needs to do something about the inequities, mid-majors need to stick together on this issue, and we need to be a little more creative in our efforts in scheduling. In reality, the NCAA could change things overnight. They would only need to establish a rule that no team who played less than 50% of their OOC games on the road, against DI programs, could be seeded any higher than a 13 seed in the NCAA tournament. You would see all of them scrambling to get HnH contracts. In the meantime, Randy is secure enough in his job to take a few risks. He needs to think about going to some of these places, where he doesn't want to go. He needs to take a few risks to get us the home schedule that will sell tickets. That is my humble opinion.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Why not try to grab the teams that will be playing at USU, Utah, UVU, or BYU and give them another road game why they're in the area? Try a Thursday/Saturday or Saturday/Monday set of games.

There has to be ways of getting better home games. Even UVU has more D1 OOC home games than us. Get creative! EWash got creative and they have 5 D1 OOC home games.

 

[oldrunner]

Why not try to grab the teams that will be playing at USU, Utah, UVU, or BYU and give them another road game why they're in the area? Try a Thursday/Saturday or Saturday/Monday set of games.

There has to be ways of getting better home games. Even UVU has more D1 OOC home games than us. Get creative! EWash got creative and they have 5 D1 OOC home games.

I can see that working the other way around a bit better. We offer a HnH with the kicker that it would include a money game with a BYU, UU, or USU. Of course you would need to get those schools to agree, and it might take some other incentives from us, like a 2 for 1 deal. Sort of like we already have with BYU. It would take some wheeling and dealing. Probably, won't happen. :wall:

 

[Webergrad02]

The bracketbuster used to help because you could count on a home game and a return game each season. We haven't adapted.
All local schools used to play you home and home. Now one wont play us and the other is now Road-Neutral-Road-Home. We agreed to the play in the Beehive Cheese LHM Dog and Pony Show Classic, but haven't adapted the rest of our OOC schedule.
Thank the good lord that the NCAA repealed the 2 in 4 rule or we really would be screwed. Before 2007 you could only play in 2 multi team events every fours years. We are playing in our 3rd MTE in a row. I think the pre season events have been the bright spot.

We need to change with landscape of college basketball. The same old things arent working. It is time to act for ourselves instead of being acted upon and then complaining. Randy has a pretty selective list of teams he will play home and home. Anyone else want to see the legal pad he keeps talking about? Would you expect Garside to do anything but deflect and blame another party?

 

[ajwildcat]

Well on the bright side, WSU better have a damn good home record this year.

 

[baller]

USU plays 6 pre-conference home games while Weber plays only 4...

USU plays only 1 less than Div 1 school (Great Falls) while Weber plays 2 (Antelope & WC Baptist)

USU plays Indiana State, New Jersey Institute of Tech & New Orleans in Logan why didn't Weber piggyback a game with each these schools?

I submit that the "peanut" in stature also has "peanut" goals when it comes to his desire to upscale the stature and level of the program. The AD must take scheduling away from the coach and improve it. As it has been in recent years, it is a disaster and is destroying the stature of the program costing existing fans and the addition of new fans.

To be clear I am not saying that the "peanut" is not a good coach and I am not a proponent of firing him either. Just put scheduling in the hands of someone who is more capable and more willing to make it better. A big fish in a mud hole is nothing more than a minnow...

 

[WILDCAT]

USU plays 6 pre-conference home games while Weber plays only 4...

USU plays only 1 less than Div 1 school (Great Falls) while Weber plays 2 (Antelope & WC Baptist)

USU plays Indiana State, New Jersey Institute of Tech & New Orleans in Logan why didn't Weber piggyback a game with each these schools?

I submit that the "peanut" in stature also has "peanut" goals when it comes to his desire to upscale the stature and level of the program. The AD must take scheduling away from the coach and improve it. As it has been in recent years, it is a disaster and is destroying the stature of the program costing existing fans and the addition of new fans.

To be clear I am not saying that the "peanut" is not a good coach and I am not a proponent of firing him either. Just put scheduling in the hands of someone who is more capable and more willing to make it better. A big fish in a mud hole is nothing more than a minnow...

Hate to break it to you but Bristol is not Div. 1 as a matter of fact they aren't even apart of the NCAA. They are apart of the USCAA (United States Collegiate Athletic Association). So actually like us they play two non DI teams.

Utah State plays Indiana State because of the MWC vs MVC agreement. If the agreement continues next year the Aggies will be on the road.

They get Idaho State at home, so do we. And one of their other OOC home games is us.

Their other ones are NJIT and New Orleans..........yay? We could have tried to offer them another game in the state of Utah, but we still have to fork over the money to entice them enough to do so.

You try to make it sound like Utah State's schedule is so much better than ours, but in reality it's not.

I hate the schedule as much as the next person, but its not just a Weber problem, it's a mid major problem. It's hard for everyone.

If you don't like the games vs the lower teams don't go to them.

 

[oldrunner]

The one thing that interests me in attending these non DI games is the chance to see our 10th+ guys play. It may well be the only time we get that chance. I'm not sure that it will happen, but we may even get to see a little play from potential red shirts and walk-ons. He!!, I might even suit up.