2016 Recruits

[oldrunner]

Bengal V.;

You should get your coaches on Jared Stutzman. He is back from his mission next week and is shopping for a school. He was the Idaho POY in 2014. He was released from his letter to USF.

They are well aware of Stutzman. Unfortunately I'm told he is being recruited by Utah and Utah State, which makes it highly unlikely he'll be going to a Big Sky school.

Jared is not being heavily recruited by UU or USU. His father has contacted them to let them know that he is available, that is it. All of the Utah schools looked at him coming out of HS, none offered. We have a better prospect out on a mission right now, and one going on a mission this spring. We also have Williams, Richardson, and Gittens playing that position next year. We are not in that market. I don't think that UU or USU are either.
He could probably make it at UVU, SUU, or ISU. I don't know what he has against ISU, but he should get over it.

 

[Webergrad02]

Chris Reyes is leaving Utah. I believe he can play immediately and has one year of eligibility left. At 6'7, does he fit what we are looking for?

 

[oldrunner]

He is a good player, but no. :wall:

 

[oldrunner]

He is a good player, but no. :wall:

He will end up at Cal State Timbucktoo. :thumb:

 

[ajwildcat]

Chris Reyes is leaving Utah. I believe he can play immediately and has one year of eligibility left. At 6'7, does he fit what we are looking for?

The odds of WSU adding a D1 transfer with 1 year to play are slim and none. How many times in the last 10 years has WSU added a D1 transfer? Not many. With only 1 year to play i can't think of any added in the last 10 years.

 

[Webergrad02]

Chris Reyes is leaving Utah. I believe he can play immediately and has one year of eligibility left. At 6'7, does he fit what we are looking for?

The odds of WSU adding a D1 transfer with 1 year to play are slim and none. How many times in the last 10 years has WSU added a D1 transfer? Not many. With only 1 year to play i can't think of any added in the last 10 years.

The only one I can think of period is Stan Rose. But when I listen to coach he almost makes it sound like he is looking for an immediate impact PF/C. We have Kiko and Dallas needing to develop at those spots. We saw how well getting a JC All American 4 went with Coston-Johnson. I am not sure we would take on another long term project at a position where we already have two. Who is out there that fits what we need? Omar Sherman? This might be the year when taking a big with one year of eligibility might make sense.

 

[oldrunner]

Chris Reyes is leaving Utah. I believe he can play immediately and has one year of eligibility left. At 6'7, does he fit what we are looking for?

The odds of WSU adding a D1 transfer with 1 year to play are slim and none. How many times in the last 10 years has WSU added a D1 transfer? Not many. With only 1 year to play i can't think of any added in the last 10 years.

The only one I can think of period is Stan Rose. But when I listen to coach he almost makes it sound like he is looking for an immediate impact PF/C. We have Kiko and Dallas needing to develop at those spots. We saw how well getting a JC All American 4 went with Coston-Johnson. I am not sure we would take on another long term project at a position where we already have two. Who is out there that fits what we need? Omar Sherman? This might be the year when taking a big with one year of eligibility might make sense.

First off, Kiko and Jordan are not 'long term' projects. They will both contribute and do well next year. Secondly, we have no need to take on someone else's problem for a disruptive year. Thirdly, we are not in a big rebuilding mode. We saw a little of what we might look like in the absence of Joel, and it looked alright to me. Sure, we want the best prospect we can get, and it would be great if we found a potential starter. However, it is not the end of us if we don't bring in an automatic starter. Again, we will bring in the best player we can find who will project to help us over the long haul. There is no preconceived notion about where that player must come from. We are really only talking about what is the most likely, given that we have just a few weeks before we sign this player. I don't think that our coaches like to make rushed decisions.

 

[sacstateman]

I think you are discounting Reyes abilities..as a JC guy at a good JC, Citrus College, he averaged 18pt and 12 rb a game...he started for Utah as a Sophomore and I have never heard anything about him being a problem...if you can tell me about specific problems Reyes has caused I would be interested...I'm not saying he would answer your problems but its not fair to say things about a kid that are not based in fact or at least show some reason for your statements...Reyes is a very good player and I think he will help where ever he lands...

 

[oldrunner]

I didn't say that he is a bad player. I said he is a good player. If he had more than one year left, I'm sure that we would look at him. I think he will end up in California because that is where he is from and more people know of his skills there. I didn't say that he, specifically, is a problem. However, many players who are transferring do come with some sort of baggage. Sometimes it is just a playing time issue and then you need to evaluate how they might fit on your team. If PT continues to be a problem on your team, they may become an attitude problem. Transfers need to be a very, very good fit.

Maybe this guy will end up at a PAC12 school, but not likely. Maybe Sac should be going after him.

 

[baller]

"Olds", in the case of Dallas and Stavrev what do you mean when you say that they "will contribute next year"? How much of a contribution do you predict from them? Do you think either one is developed enough to take
starter minutes and give us 8-10 points and 6-8 rebounds per game? From what I heard from Rahe he seemed to be pretty serious about signing someone good enough to start and contribute at the above level. That makes me wonder if he thinks either one of them will be ready to contribute at that level. My read was that he felt like they weren't quite there yet. Am I wrong? Also in listening to Rahe it seemed to me that he was open to taking anyone good enough to contribute at the above level. By anyone I mean a JC, or a GR or a TR if he could play immediately. Again, am I misreading the situation?

 

[Webergrad02]

"Olds", in the case of Dallas and Stavrev what do you mean when you say that they "will contribute next year"? How much of a contribution do you predict from them? Do you think either one is developed enough to take
starter minutes and give us 8-10 points and 6-8 rebounds per game? From what I heard from Rahe he seemed to be pretty serious about signing someone good enough to start and contribute at the above level. That makes me wonder if he thinks either one of them will be ready to contribute at that level. My read was that he felt like they weren't quite there yet. Am I wrong? Also in listening to Rahe it seemed to me that he was open to taking anyone good enough to contribute at the above level. By anyone I mean a JC, or a GR or a TR if he could play immediately. Again, am I misreading the situation?

No you are right on. Randy has been more open than usual about the need for a post player to come in and hit the ground running. I am just not sure where you get a guy to fit that mold. Sorry Olds. Dallas for sure is a project. He looked a few years off in what I have seen of him. Kiko may find some minutes but he does need work.

 

[oldrunner]

"Olds", in the case of Dallas and Stavrev what do you mean when you say that they "will contribute next year"? How much of a contribution do you predict from them? Do you think either one is developed enough to take
starter minutes and give us 8-10 points and 6-8 rebounds per game? From what I heard from Rahe he seemed to be pretty serious about signing someone good enough to start and contribute at the above level. That makes me wonder if he thinks either one of them will be ready to contribute at that level. My read was that he felt like they weren't quite there yet. Am I wrong? Also in listening to Rahe it seemed to me that he was open to taking anyone good enough to contribute at the above level. By anyone I mean a JC, or a GR or a TR if he could play immediately. Again, am I misreading the situation?

No you are right on. Randy has been more open than usual about the need for a post player to come in and hit the ground running. I am just not sure where you get a guy to fit that mold. Sorry Olds. Dallas for sure is a project. He looked a few years off in what I have seen of him. Kiko may find some minutes but he does need work.

Before Stavrev was injured, he was the fourth big man in the rotation. He is a better shooter and a more skilled ball handler than Hill. Hill is stronger and more athletic. Stavrev has continued to pump iron and has put on 15 to 20 lbs of muscle. He will be the primary backup for hill unless someone beats him out. Dallas's situation is quite similar to Braxton's last year. Both had the needed skills and both needed to develop their bodies to compete at the D1 level. Jordan has spent a lot of time in the weight room and will continue that through the spring and summer. He has already become much stronger. He is every bit as talented as Braxton, just not as strong yet. Unless someone beats him out, Dallas will be the primary backup for Braxton. Who knows how many minutes any of them might get. That may be dependent on foul trouble and injuries. I will say this, the drop off from Braxton/Hill to Dallas/Stavrev is not that great. If we get someone in who can break into that rotation, great. That would make us that much better. Is it a make or break deal for us? No. We are not rebuilding anything. We want to get better and stay better for a long time. Who ever we add will be added with long range goals in mind. That is why we are not rushing out to grab every 6'5'' wing player who happens to come on the market. I think everybody would love to get a big man who would come in and win a starting role. It's not likely, and it is not a must.

 

[sacstateman]

I didn't say that he is a bad player. I said he is a good player. If he had more than one year left, I'm sure that we would look at him. I think he will end up in California because that is where he is from and more people know of his skills there. I didn't say that he, specifically, is a problem. However, many players who are transferring do come with some sort of baggage. Sometimes it is just a playing time issue and then you need to evaluate how they might fit on your team. If PT continues to be a problem on your team, they may become an attitude problem. Transfers need to be a very, very good fit.

Maybe this guy will end up at a PAC12 school, but not likely. Maybe Sac should be going after him.

I'm not buying your explanation....you said "Secondly, we have no need to take on someone else's problems for a disruptive year"....your words say he was someone else's problem with NO proof of any problem...that is specifically saying he was a problem....sorry olds, I aint buying what your sellin...

 

[oldrunner]

I didn't say that he is a bad player. I said he is a good player. If he had more than one year left, I'm sure that we would look at him. I think he will end up in California because that is where he is from and more people know of his skills there. I didn't say that he, specifically, is a problem. However, many players who are transferring do come with some sort of baggage. Sometimes it is just a playing time issue and then you need to evaluate how they might fit on your team. If PT continues to be a problem on your team, they may become an attitude problem. Transfers need to be a very, very good fit.

Maybe this guy will end up at a PAC12 school, but not likely. Maybe Sac should be going after him.

I'm not buying your explanation....you said "Secondly, we have no need to take on someone else's problems for a disruptive year"....your words say he was someone else's problem with NO proof of any problem...that is specifically saying he was a problem....sorry olds, I aint buying what your sellin...

That was a general statement, not about any one player. I don't know anything about why this young man is leaving Utah. It could be darn near anything, including PT. He is obviously a good player and can help a lot of teams. The problem we have with taking on a player with just one year to play is that it takes a year for most players to feel comfortable playing in Randy's system. That is one reason we wanted Dusty as a sophomore. He will be a much better player for us next year. Most players struggle with it their first year. They think too much and it slows them down.

 

[Webergrad02]

Jordan Dallas' situation is totally different than Braxtons. Zach was good enough to play as a Freshman. Sure he leaned up and in the long run it probably works out for the best. Jordan has looked lost everytime I have seen him. It is like total deer in the head lights. Not one person thought that he shouldn't redshirt. Bottom line, he is a project.

 

[ajwildcat]

Jordan Dallas' situation is totally different than Braxtons. Zach was good enough to play as a Freshman. Sure he leaned up and in the long run it probably works out for the best. Jordan has looked lost everytime I have seen him. It is like total deer in the head lights. Not one person thought that he shouldn't redshirt. Bottom line, he is a project.

I have to disagree that Jordan Dallas is some type of "project". Keep in mind that he is only 18-19 yrs old. He is extremely athletic, has a better basketball IQ than Joel had as a freshman.
WSU was extremely fortunate to get Jordan Dallas, give him a chance and he has the ability to dominate the Big Sky. I dont think anyone is expecting him to be all world as a freshman BUT he will be damn good for the Cats in his days here. :twocents:

 

[oldrunner]

Jordan Dallas' situation is totally different than Braxtons. Zach was good enough to play as a Freshman. Sure he leaned up and in the long run it probably works out for the best. Jordan has looked lost everytime I have seen him. It is like total deer in the head lights. Not one person thought that he shouldn't redshirt. Bottom line, he is a project.

I have to disagree that Jordan Dallas is some type of "project". Keep in mind that he is only 18-19 yrs old. He is extremely athletic, has a better basketball IQ than Joel had as a freshman.
WSU was extremely fortunate to get Jordan Dallas, give him a chance and he has the ability to dominate the Big Sky. I dont think anyone is expecting him to be all world as a freshman BUT he will be damn good for the Cats in his days here. :twocents:

I've been to several practices throughout the season. I saw steady progress, a skilled player, a hard worker, and a guy who will definitely contribute. It is hard to judge a guy who is red shirting. They spend most of their time in the weight room and on the scout team. Their job is to get themselves better and help to prepare the active players for games. They have to learn new sets every week to simulate the teams we will be playing. The scout team rarely looks good in those situations. Dallas is going to be a good player for us. Braxton's and Dallas's red shirt years were very similar. Both are skilled players who needed to change their bodies, build muscle, to compete at the D1 level. Both of them have done that, and are continuing to do that. I suspect that will continue throughout their playing for us.

 

[sacstateman]

I didn't say that he is a bad player. I said he is a good player. If he had more than one year left, I'm sure that we would look at him. I think he will end up in California because that is where he is from and more people know of his skills there. I didn't say that he, specifically, is a problem. However, many players who are transferring do come with some sort of baggage. Sometimes it is just a playing time issue and then you need to evaluate how they might fit on your team. If PT continues to be a problem on your team, they may become an attitude problem. Transfers need to be a very, very good fit.

Maybe this guy will end up at a PAC12 school, but not likely. Maybe Sac should be going after him.

I'm not buying your explanation....you said "Secondly, we have no need to take on someone else's problems for a disruptive year"....your words say he was someone else's problem with NO proof of any problem...that is specifically saying he was a problem....sorry olds, I aint buying what your sellin...

That was a general statement, not about any one player. I don't know anything about why this young man is leaving Utah. It could be darn near anything, including PT. He is obviously a good player and can help a lot of teams. The problem we have with taking on a player with just one year to play is that it takes a year for most players to feel comfortable playing in Randy's system. That is one reason we wanted Dusty as a sophomore. He will be a much better player for us next year. Most players struggle with it their first year. They think too much and it slows them down.

I'll buy most of this....the part about the system being too hard for first year players, I doubt...Baker, Cannon and John to name a few, seemed to pick it up pretty easily....

 

[oldrunner]

I didn't say that he is a bad player. I said he is a good player. If he had more than one year left, I'm sure that we would look at him. I think he will end up in California because that is where he is from and more people know of his skills there. I didn't say that he, specifically, is a problem. However, many players who are transferring do come with some sort of baggage. Sometimes it is just a playing time issue and then you need to evaluate how they might fit on your team. If PT continues to be a problem on your team, they may become an attitude problem. Transfers need to be a very, very good fit.

Maybe this guy will end up at a PAC12 school, but not likely. Maybe Sac should be going after him.

I'm not buying your explanation....you said "Secondly, we have no need to take on someone else's problems for a disruptive year"....your words say he was someone else's problem with NO proof of any problem...that is specifically saying he was a problem....sorry olds, I aint buying what your sellin...

That was a general statement, not about any one player. I don't know anything about why this young man is leaving Utah. It could be darn near anything, including PT. He is obviously a good player and can help a lot of teams. The problem we have with taking on a player with just one year to play is that it takes a year for most players to feel comfortable playing in Randy's system. That is one reason we wanted Dusty as a sophomore. He will be a much better player for us next year. Most players struggle with it their first year. They think too much and it slows them down.

I'll buy most of this....the part about the system being too hard for first year players, I doubt...Baker, Cannon and John to name a few, seemed to pick it up pretty easily....

Those three were OK, and did well for first year guys. However, they made mistakes that they won't make next year, and next year they will be playing a lot faster. They won't be thinking through each play. They will be playing more instinctively. I've seen it so many times with guys in our program. It takes some players more than just that first year. You will see the same thing with your freshman guard.

 

[wsucatfan]

Obviously with more experience, both within the system and on the court players are going to be able to react faster without having to think about what they're supposed to do. Regardless, it would be great to see WSU pick up a quality big that we might not have been able to get as a HS recruit. I would love to see a high major player in WSU gear.