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Arguing with Sacstateman about elevation

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Webergrad02

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Last night made it very clear that the team will revolve around Joel Bolomboy this season on both ends of the floor. The key to success will be keeping Joel out of foul trouble early. I imagine that teams will try to attack him out of the gate and try to get him to commit some cheap fouls.

I think Joel will need to spend some time at the 4 to achieve this. That will leave the 5 to Hajek and Braxton at times. I think a redshirt may good for Braxton. But he had the best offensive game of that second unit (besides hunters great passing). Could playing Braxton 5-10 minutes a game at the 5 help Joel stay out of foul trouble? Is 5-10 minutes a game worth burning a year of eligibility?
 
wazzuwildcat03 said:
I think the key this year to winning, is to score more points then the other team. :rockon:
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That's a pretty "the sky is blue" statement. You quoting Brandon Garside? ;-)
 
1.) Defense

2.) Rebounding

3.) Lower Turnover Rate

4.) Staying together as a TEAM

Joel will get less fouls at 5 than he would at 4.

Scoring will not be an issue, what so ever. :coffee:
 
From last night's preview, #1 and #2 are not going to be a problem. Hearing Rahe talk seems to indicate #4 will not be a problem either. #3 might be the most difficult. Some players, despite how athletically gifted, seem to struggle with good decisions or with pressure.

If Joel can make early foul trouble a focus and not force things or try and do too much, he has the talent around him to hopefully not allow other teams to force him into trouble, but he has to be willing to make it a conscious priority.

I think scoring will come along fine but right now it is a concern of mine.
 
To get to a lower TO rate, Golden, Gittens, and Hill will need to take ownership of that goal. Senglin already has shown that he has that ability. Last year he had the lowest rate on the team, From the looks of it, Hunter seems to have that in him as well. The reason I leave Bolomboy out of it is that he is more the focus of the ball handling and less of the ball handling effort. Yes, the post players can get turnovers too, but 80% of the potential for turnovers is in the hands of the point and wing players. Offensive fouls, like illegal screens, are turnovers, so the bigs will need to work on that. Seems like Braxton had 4 or 5 of them last night. They can't tolerate too many of those in a game. :twocents:
 
oldrunner said:
1.) Defense

2.) Rebounding

3.) Lower Turnover Rate

4.) Staying together as a TEAM

Joel will get less fouls at 5 than he would at 4.

Scoring will not be an issue, what so ever. :coffee:
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I don't know! Joel had 7 fouls last night, between him and Hajek they had almost 1/3 of the total fouls for the night ! Have to find away to keep him on the floor. Personality of the team is different when he's on the bench. :twocents:
 
I hope you guys are taking into consideration that both teams in an inter-squad scrimmage knows the offensive plays, therefore defense is MUCH easier to play when you know the plays. I don't think Coach Raye would install different offenses for each team.
 
What you say is true sacstatesman. Rahe tries to make it more game like by having his assistant coaches calling the offensive sets from the respective baselines and not allowing the defenders to turn around and see the play coming at them. I'm sure that the players are quick to recognize the plays coming at them, but there is probably a split second of being unsure, much like in a real game where there has been good preparation.

I wasn't basing my observation on the preparedness. I was basing it on the intensity level of each player and their athletic ability to maintain proper positioning in the face of some high level athletes. We have had some good defensive teams here in recent years. This one is the best.

My observations about rebounding are based more on a comparison of this years lineup and last years. Hill's rebounds per minute played was second only to Bolomboy's last year. Kyle T was not a good rebounder for us on a regular basis, and this year we don't seem to have any weak rebounders on the team. We got better by subtraction.

If we are able to become a low turnover team, watch out!
 
Every player out there has the ability to be very good. I think when we finally "click" and play as one is when we start winning. If that is up at USU then that would be awesome. I would suspect that it may take til about conference to get the team going with them being so young and James as the lone senior.
 
Get ready Sacstateman this is a tough defensive bunch. It was more than knowing the plays, it was grit, determination and nastiness. I have never seen that defensive intensity during a scrimmage. When the starters played together you could feel the intensity. You might change your opinion about only playing us once. I think there are some teams in the conference that won't be able to score 50 points against Weber.
 
Give us a little credit, Sac. I'm as big a fan as there is but am completely grounded in reality. 02 is right, I've been watching Weber State and Purple-n-White for 30+ years and I don't remember as good of a defensive focus and intensity as this one. Add to that, this Weber is loaded with athleticism and talent. I truly believe this team will become one of the better defensive teams they've ever had.
 
I never said anything about not giving you guys credit, I just wanted you to consider the inter squad aspect of the defensive play. I'm not watching them play (obviously) but when I played ball it was always easier to play defense against your own team than against an unknown. Oldrunner explained some of the ways that Raye tried to avoid the very situation I was pointing out. Don't be so DEFENSIVE LOL...
 
sacstateman said:
I never said anything about not giving you guys credit, I just wanted you to consider the inter squad aspect of the defensive play. I'm not watching them play (obviously) but when I played ball it was always easier to play defense against your own team than against an unknown. Oldrunner explained some of the ways that Raye tried to avoid the very situation I was pointing out. Don't be so DEFENSIVE LOL...
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Sac, You're asking us to be rational :bad: sorry we're fully invested in the purple Kool-aid. :lol:
 
wsucatfan said:
sacstateman said:
I never said anything about not giving you guys credit, I just wanted you to consider the inter squad aspect of the defensive play. I'm not watching them play (obviously) but when I played ball it was always easier to play defense against your own team than against an unknown. Oldrunner explained some of the ways that Raye tried to avoid the very situation I was pointing out. Don't be so DEFENSIVE LOL...
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Sac, You're asking us to be rational :bad: sorry we're fully invested in the purple Kool-aid. :lol:
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Understood
 
sacstateman said:
I never said anything about not giving you guys credit, I just wanted you to consider the inter squad aspect of the defensive play. I'm not watching them play (obviously) but when I played ball it was always easier to play defense against your own team than against an unknown. Oldrunner explained some of the ways that Raye tried to avoid the very situation I was pointing out. Don't be so DEFENSIVE LOL...
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:rofl:
 
As good as the top four or five teams are, I expect that the teams who can go on the road and pull out some wins, will win the BSC. Because shooting can abandon you on the road, it often comes down to defense, rebounding, and taking care of the ball. I think that Weber has the best combination of those three things.

Sacramento Is probably next in line, followed by Eastern, and then NAU. I'm picking that order based on the consistency of their stars last year. I'm sure that there will be some surprises, both good and bad, that is what makes it so fun. The league seems to be stronger, at least on paper, and the team that wins it will have earned it. :coffee:
 
catscratched said:
As good as the top four or five teams are, I expect that the teams who can go on the road and pull out some wins, will win the BSC. Because shooting can abandon you on the road, it often comes down to defense, rebounding, and taking care of the ball. I think that Weber has the best combination of those three things.

Sacramento Is probably next in line, followed by Eastern, and then NAU. I'm picking that order based on the consistency of their stars last year. I'm sure that there will be some surprises, both good and bad, that is what makes it so fun. The league seems to be stronger, at least on paper, and the team that wins it will have earned it. :coffee:
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The big problem we have is ALTITUDE.....it is hard to train at sea level and then have to go on the road and play most of your games at above 4000 to 7200 ft......I appreciate your prediction as I too think we have our best team ever in D1....the road will tell the tale as you say.....I just hope our senior back court will be experienced enough to lead our kids through the road rigors.
 
Sac...why give that excuse for basketball. Your soccer team, volleyball team, football team all do fine adjusting to altitude. Good thing John Wooden made sure all of his games at UCLA were played at a Sea-Level :dunce: . Uh...yeah, bad excuse Sac...I'm not going for it. With the talent Katz has coming back, Sac should have a good year. Great?? Who knows. But they do have some solid talent. I think Garrity is one of the most dangerous players in the Sky. Without him, Mckinney wouldn't be as good. Garrity is the key to Sacs fortunes. Please don't, already, start dumbing down your Hornets fortunes by grasping at poor excuses to why Sac isn't good. Let's be honest...Sac has had dysmal coaching, poor talent, and even worse chemistry. Katz had a lot of work and it was going to take some time to get the program to where he needed it to be to become a contender. Katz is a good coach. He has used his time fairly wisely and now they are reaping their rewards. But, after this season, it will take two or three to get back. Better than once every 10 years. That was the last time Sac had a decent team. It has nothing to do with altitude though. There are plenty of examples of teams who play on the coasts being highly successful. UCLA, DUKE just to name a few.
 
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