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[BLACKFALKIN1]

2010 FCS NATIONAL CHAMPS
2011 Payton Award Winner BL Mitchell
2010 Buchanan Award Winner JC Sherritt
2008 Buchanan Award Winner Greg Peach
2005 Payton Award Winner Erik Meyer
BSC Champs - 92, 97, 04, 05, 10
Play-Offs - 85, 92, 97, 04, 05, 07, 09, 10

Since '04 What team has accomplished more than Eastern? Ill Give App St & MAYBE Montana their props but thats where it stops.

 

[kalm]

I get what you're saying 'nail. Developing talent, especially local and/or in-state that you recruited is the optimal thing to do. It will always be what I root for. And yes, going the drop down route can affect recruiting. But as others have mentioned, there is clearly more upside to Padron than Vitto or Adams and for all reasons previously mentioned, I think the benefits of going in this direction at this time outweigh the negatives.

It's a bit unfair but so is competing with a rival program that has 4 times the fan base, a terrific home field advantage, a much larger budget, and it's own tv package. But compete, we do. What if Padron had been courted by the Griz but might come here anyways given our track record with QB's? Would you run the risk of having to play against him out of principle?

As for the cultural issue, this happens in college hoops all the time. I don't necessarily like it, but it's the nature of the beast.

 

[flyingnail]

Right on Kalm, I too hate losing and everyone loves the winner ! Just saying, hope this doesnt start a trend at this position because at the end of the day these players and coaches will move on but a reputation last a long time ! And yep I wouldve been pissed if he was a Griz, just saying ! GOEAGS

 

[LDopaPDX]

What's the deal with this thread? I can remember 1 regular starter that transferred from an FBS school in like the last 5 years. If Padron starts, that'd be 2. Where is this coming from? Eastern hardly ever goes after and makes gamechangers out of transfers... I'd suspect Eastern had has fewer transfer starters than any othe Big Sky school over the Baldwin years. I can really only think of one... Maybe Pulu makes two this year.

 

[BLACKFALKIN1]

So did Pulu attend another school THEN transfer to Eastern or did he commit to a school THEN DECOMMIT and sign with Eastern?

 

[Dozy]

Pulu the elder played for UW, made a mistake while there and now, two years layer, is eligible at EWU. Pulu the younger signed his LOI on signing day on February 1st, coming out of Federal Way HS.

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Pulu the elder played for UW, made a mistake while there and now, two years layer, is eligible at EWU. Pulu the younger signed his LOI on signing day on February 1st, coming out of Federal Way HS.

The younger Pulu also had offers from Wyoming and WSU, and I think he was verballed to WSU, but when Leach took over he pulled the offer and so he signed with us.

 

[BLACKFALKIN1]

Pulu the elder played for UW, made a mistake while there and now, two years layer, is eligible at EWU. Pulu the younger signed his LOI on signing day on February 1st, coming out of Federal Way HS.

The younger Pulu also had offers from Wyoming and WSU, and I think he was verballed to WSU, but when Leach took over he pulled the offer and so he signed with us.

So Eastern grabbed a UW starter and possible WSU starter. Nice.

 

[footballdirt]

The recruited QB's coming in as freshman are safety nets in the event that they cannot recruit any one with experience such as a player coming from JC or as in the last two years a drop down QB. This will hurt EWU's recruiting process for QB's in the future for freshman. A player is always being recruited by two or three other Big Sky programs. Players coming in will think twice about EWU and their chances of actually playing. On the other hand, coaches are paid to win games. So a win today could very well affect a win tomorrow.

 

[HannahO]

The recruited QB's coming in as freshman are safety nets in the event that they cannot recruit any one with experience such as a player coming from JC or as in the last two years a drop down QB. This will hurt EWU's recruiting process for QB's in the future for freshman. A player is always being recruited by two or three other Big Sky programs. Players coming in will think twice about EWU and their chances of actually playing. On the other hand, coaches are paid to win games. So a win today could very well affect a win tomorrow.

As has been discussed ad nauseam above, the two recent cases of drop down qb's do not make a history that overcomes the successes of Meyers or Nichols (or their predecessors). What does make an impression on young players coming out of high school is the success of their predecessors, the coaching staff that got them there, the team environment and teammates and the facilities. We'll have our successes and misses in recruiting but if a high school recruit is going to shy away because he might miss out to the competition, he and we will be better off if he's somewhere else anyway!

 

[footballdirt]

It is appearent your lack of understanding in QB. There is only one position available for a QB. They will look at this . The two mentioned above that did start who started them. There is no competition do you really think Padron is coming here without guarantees. He could go anywhere. Just like when BLM came there was no competition. I am not saying they aren't great at what they do, but there will not be a competition.

 

[HannahO]

It is appearent your lack of understanding in QB. There is only one position available for a QB. They will look at this . The two mentioned above that did start who started them. There is no competition do you really think Padron is coming here without guarantees. He could go anywhere. Just like when BLM came there was no competition. I am not saying they aren't great at what they do, but there will not be a competition.

Your apparent lack of understanding of the English language is noted. :rofl: It takes a special ability to come up with sentences as nonsensical and string them together so artfully. Well done! :notworthy:

 

[footballdirt]

Lol.. I am not even going to respond about a run on sentence. I am very educated and not going to play tit for tat with you. Stick to football. It is a football forum.

 

[Dozy]

Hannah has you beat in both grammar AND football in this case...

 

[BLACKFALKIN1]

Dirt is right. YOU KNOW DAMN WELL PADRON IS GONNA BE THE GUY. You cant reeeally count Meyer & Nichols bc:
#1 That was the "Coach Wulff era". So far Coach Baldwin has had 2/3 season with a transfer, and it looks like its going to be 4/5.
#2 Matt Nichols sucked his freshman year, and if EWU would have had a drop down at the time Nichols would've only been a 2 year starter at best.
#3 If you think Padron is comin to EWU just to sit the bench you dont understand college football. He could have sat the bench at SMU. Eastern doesnt "rotate" Qb's either. The guy who starts at Idaho is the guy.

In other word, both Adams & Vitto could be Qb legends but we wont find now bc Patron' has already PROVEN he can compete. This "COMPETITION" you guys keep talking about already happened..... at SMU 2 years ago. Thats his resume and its more impressive than Natl Champion & Payton winner BLM's when he was at SMU. Again, if you think a proven Qb better BLM will ride the pine, then you dont understand college football. If I was a junior QB right now at Eastern Id transfer to Portland St, Sac St or Cal Poly.

 

[footballdirt]

As has been discussed ad nauseam above, the two recent cases of drop down qb's do not make a history that overcomes the successes of Meyers or Nichols (or their predecessors). Yes it does Myers and Nichols both started but there was a different head coach. Players look at the head coach then the program. l

What does make an impression on young players coming out of high school is the success of their predecessors, the coaching staff that got them ther :nod: e, the team environment and teammates and the facilities. We'll have our successes and misses in recruiting but if a high school recruit is going to shy away because he might miss out to the competition, he and we will be better off if he's somewhere else anyway![/quote.

Unlike, other positions on the field there is only 1 QB and although your above statement is fine. I can guarantee you that is not what brings a QB to the school. They will weigh out all things mentioned above but at the end of the day, they will pick the school where they feel they will actually play. You do not feel this will hurt your future recruiting options, only time will tell. Armchair QBs and players are just that.

 

[marceagfan5]

Ugh..this thread is getting ugly.

Bottom line is we really only had 2 QB's going into camp this fall. Merin is going to redshirt, almost all of our freshman do, so if we didn't have a drop down, we were going into the season with a red shirt freshman QB and an unproven junior QB. Both have the capability of being a starter, but you can't go into camp with 2 QB's, both of which have ZERO starts. Padron kind of fell into our lap, it worked out well. He had connections with BLM, lost his starting job, wanted to play right away and everything just worked out. If Padron didn't work out, you can bet we were going to look to have another JC or D1 drop down come in, we had to, 2 QBs in camp doesn't cut it. Add that to the fact that we return a ton of talent next year, we need to have the best QB possible.

If people don't think there is going to be a competition for the QB they are completely wrong. You have to remember, Padron is not coming this spring to play, he is finishing the year at SMU, BLM left SMU right away, he played spring ball with the team and was named the starter in April, Padron won't even be on campus until later in the summer during fall camp. There is going to have to be a competition for the QB spot, Padron is not guaranteed anything. He is coming off an injury and not playing with the team this spring/summer. He isn't going to start fall camp and be the immediate starter, thats an absolute joke, he will absolutely have to earn it. He will literally have 3 weeks of actual practice with the team before our first game, so nothing is guaranteed, he will have to earn his starting spot and there will be a competition.

 

[LDopaPDX]

This just doesn't have a basis. Seriously, we've had one transfer come to EWU and start games in the Baldwin era. ONE PLAYER !!! Next year, maybe that number gets increased by two to a total of 3. Still, I'd argue that number is substantially less than the FCS average. That's less than one starter per year.

When you talk about developing talent throughout the entire college experience, Eastern is a posterchild. This program hasn't and still isn't relying on transfers... our recent (and distant) history proves this. This thread literally has no merit whatsoever, because the very things being argued for here are and have been consistently happening.

 

[BLACKFALKIN1]

Some of you guys are so naive its ridiculous.
1. Padron will start against Idaho. -Do you think its THAT hard for him to adjust to the same position he played at SMU? No. Eastern's offense is right up his alley. June Jones = Pass Happy = Beau Baldwin. Ipso facto.

2. Qb Competition - Lets see..proven play maker who beat out BLM at SMU or 2 rookie Qb's with 0 starts between them. Its Patron's job to lose.

3. Coach preference - Coach Baldwin took over after the '08 season, since then:
'09 3yr starter M.Nichols - Lost in playoffs, no Payton
'10 1st year transfer B.L. Mitchell - National Championship
'11 2nd yr starter B.L. Mitchell - no playoffs, Wins Payton
'12 ???? Who would you go with? A seasoned FBS vet, (who beat out last year's Payton winner) or locally grown rookie with 0zero0 starts? Better yet, who will Baldwin choose?

Game. Set. Match. -BlackFalkin

 

[FrontFive4Life]

Personally, I don't care at all who starts. I trust Coach B and the rest of the staff to make the right call and field the best team possible. And yes, winning is the most important thing, regardless of the potential for hurt feelings. If you don't believe that to be the case, then there are plenty of NAIA schools full of guys who play for fun.