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Webergrad02
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I have waited for this thing to digest before adding to it. I think most of us were hoping that this thing would fail miserably and Reno would kick us out of town with their opt out clause and never want us back. That didn't happen. Attendance numbers were not great but many of the goals of the conference were met or exceeded. Reno was happy to have us and actually marketed the tournament to locals. I have a close business associate in Reno that knows Weber is my team. He heard it advertised on their local sports radio that Weber and Montana were playing for the title, so he went. I also have a cousin that lives there go heard a similar advertisement and went because her father was a Weber alum.
Right now, conference tournaments are the thing. The Ivy League moving to a conference tournament is a sign that conference tournaments are here to stay for now. It looks like the everyone gets a ribbon mentality is also here for a while.
The conference tournament will be in Reno next year and so will I. I still don't like it, I don't think it is what is best for our school or the conference. But it is our reality and we will all have a little fun over there.
Right now, conference tournaments are the thing. The Ivy League moving to a conference tournament is a sign that conference tournaments are here to stay for now. It looks like the everyone gets a ribbon mentality is also here for a while.
The conference tournament will be in Reno next year and so will I. I still don't like it, I don't think it is what is best for our school or the conference. But it is our reality and we will all have a little fun over there.
webergrad02 said:
Thank you!!
Yes, I will be there, most likely, also. I don't like it in the slightest, and like you, feel it is absolutely the wrong format. What are its rewards? Does it improve the competitiveness of the regular season? Does it help highlight the conference? Does it improve the overall appeal of the Big Sky? Does this format help increase RPI, Media, and/or the fan base? How does it help the communities, students, supporters, participants, alumni and boosters of those schools who are members of the conference? The only school that directly can benefit from this is Sac. No wonder, we keep getting Sac Trolls telling us what we missed. Kinda hard not to go, when it is 3 hours away. This is the best chance for them to EVER host. Sac is 3 hours away. Heavens it is cheaper to fly into Sac than Reno and just drive. Kinda easy to decide on Wednesday afternoon to drive 3 hours Hornet. A little harder for a fan in Greeley, Flagstaff, Missoula, or Cheney to suddenly just decide to attend.
The question that needs to be answered is, how is this helping the overall competitiveness, RPI, and appeal of the conference? Please SD Hornet or Sacturd answer my the question. Stop telling me what I missed. I already know....
sacstateman
Active member
If you are referring to me talhad, I will wait til next years tournament to answer you face to face since you claim you will be there....can't wait for next March....
sacstateman said:
Wow...you are a bright one! Yes I was. Oh, and stop trying to be a macho man. Not intimidated bro, besides, this is a type of a threat. Chill hero! I've already said it would be fun to meet you. I'm sure we'd get along, disagree a lot, but have a clearer understanding. But, please don't start acting like a tough guy behind your keyboard. We are adults dude, and you do act like a turd at times. However, and admittedly, I act like a spoiled child who doesn't want to share. But don't start getting your panties in a twist.
sacstateman
Active member
If you are an adult DUDE, please stop acting so childish DUDE, I will address your questions to you next March, I don't think the rest of the board needs to be told again....DUDE.....
sacstateman said:
Oh...must of hit a cord. Didn't know you were so thinned skin. I'm sorry for calling you a turd. That was uncalled for by me and I apologize. You could be a really great guy and it isn't fair for me to call you a turd. Regardless, the rest of the board probably is waiting to hear what you have to say.
As a major supporter of the conference tournament and believe it is the right format (mind you I think any tournament would be fun, the question is what is right) you are openly admitting that you cannot answer my aforementioned questions?
sacstateman
Active member
talhadfoursteals said:
Apology accepted... I have never said that the Reno format was the right format, if you can prove I did, please indulge me with a quote....as far as RPI goes, it is really hard to improve RPI in a conference tournament no matter where it is played because (duh) YOU'RE PLAYING THE TEAMS IN YOUR CONFERENCE AGAIN and after the regular season the Big Sky schools are never going to improve they're RPI....appeal of the conference??? I admit I draw a blank on that one...but I don't think playing anywhere except Las Vegas could effect that either way...OK bro, dude....chill hero....
sacstateman
Active member
Actually, I don't think BSC teams can improve their RPI very much after the out of conference games are played...it would be interesting to see if BSC teams RPI's changed much after OOC games unless they went down...
oldrunner
Active member
To detract a bit from all of the name calling.....
I went to Reno expecting to find some real butt wiping fans, like the ones we often find in Provo. Although, some other posters have said they found some, I did not. Maybe I was the guy??? All of the fans from other schools I talked to were great. My wife and I met Sacstatesman and his wife. They are great people. Sacstatesman is a very knowledgeable fan of basketball and he follows many of the potential recruits in his area. I talked to some fans from PSU, and EWU who I would put in that same boat. The only thing I would say is that I found the Idaho fans to be the least talkative. The best bands were Idaho's and Weber's. The best mascots were Weber's and Montana's. The worst mascot has to go to Idaho. He looked like a cross between a lumberjack and a Viking, a Vikerjack. Sounds good, the Idaho Vikerjacks...., pass it on. :mrgreen:
I went to Reno expecting to find some real butt wiping fans, like the ones we often find in Provo. Although, some other posters have said they found some, I did not. Maybe I was the guy??? All of the fans from other schools I talked to were great. My wife and I met Sacstatesman and his wife. They are great people. Sacstatesman is a very knowledgeable fan of basketball and he follows many of the potential recruits in his area. I talked to some fans from PSU, and EWU who I would put in that same boat. The only thing I would say is that I found the Idaho fans to be the least talkative. The best bands were Idaho's and Weber's. The best mascots were Weber's and Montana's. The worst mascot has to go to Idaho. He looked like a cross between a lumberjack and a Viking, a Vikerjack. Sounds good, the Idaho Vikerjacks...., pass it on. :mrgreen:
sacstateman
Active member
Thank you oldrunner...my wife and I thought the same of you and yours...
SDHornet said:sacstateman said:
:rockon:
BEAUTIFUL SD!!
Even though we don't agree...I respect this post.
You are right though...not winning games in the OOC hurt. Gotta take care of business, especially if you are at home.
Yup. OOC play is the only way the BSC will really improve its RPI, and even then it won’t be easy. BSC is hard pressed to get quality teams to travel to their places. We won’t land decent home games until we get better digs.
We had a decent showing in OOC this year, then hit a wall in BSC play (a lot of that had to do with Demps’ injury). Oh well.
We had a decent showing in OOC this year, then hit a wall in BSC play (a lot of that had to do with Demps’ injury). Oh well.
SWWeatherCat
Active member
talhadfoursteals said:
Hmmm...guess Olds is only going to call me a hater of all things for asking similar questions. :roll:
oldrunner
Active member
I think that those are all good questions. Every school and the BSC should be looking for answers to all of them. Some may relate to the BSCT and some, obviously, don't.
I think that a more realistic question would be; How are schools or the BSC going to make it easier for students to get to the BSCT in the future? How can the BSC help its member schools to get to a higher RPI ranking? What is a strategy that can help with this scheduling quandary?
RPI is not just about getting a stronger schedule. It's about winning against teams with higher RPIs. It's also about not losing to lower teams. It's not as easy as it sounds. These money schools who never leave their home floors and always use hand picked officials, as every team in their conference does, always end up with much higher RPIs than they actually deserve. However, the powers at the NCAA can't seem to see through all that fog caused by the monetary divide. It really isn't a level playing field.
I think that a more realistic question would be; How are schools or the BSC going to make it easier for students to get to the BSCT in the future? How can the BSC help its member schools to get to a higher RPI ranking? What is a strategy that can help with this scheduling quandary?
RPI is not just about getting a stronger schedule. It's about winning against teams with higher RPIs. It's also about not losing to lower teams. It's not as easy as it sounds. These money schools who never leave their home floors and always use hand picked officials, as every team in their conference does, always end up with much higher RPIs than they actually deserve. However, the powers at the NCAA can't seem to see through all that fog caused by the monetary divide. It really isn't a level playing field.
oldrunner
Active member
I think that the RPI thing has already been dismissed as an issue with the BSCT.
As for improving the stature of the BSC, there was certainly more media at this event than we have had in the past. There was even some international media there. From what I saw, yes, it did help promote our league to the rest of the country and a few places around the world. For the media, a predetermined site is the best and a site where there is a little night life, like Reno Vegas, SLC, Denver, or even Boise, is preferred.
For the players, all I saw was a bunch of young people having a great time and getting to know one another. So, as far as the student athlete perspective, having all 12 teams was a plus. It's not all about winning and losing. It seemed like a celebration as much as a competition.
Yes it is an inconvenience for many fans, some more so than others. I don't know how you get around that, as long as you are going to have a neutral site. If the new plan is to have a predetermined, neutral site, then it is just a matter of finding the least resistance or most profit.
When you start talking about growing a brand like the BSC or an individual school, then having a tournament that gives you a little better media profile is a step in the right direction. Everyone is trying to carve out their little piece of this world.
When you ask, Is it the right thing to do? I think you have to take all of that in. I do think it is the right thing to do, we just need to make it a little better for more of our fans and our students.
As for improving the stature of the BSC, there was certainly more media at this event than we have had in the past. There was even some international media there. From what I saw, yes, it did help promote our league to the rest of the country and a few places around the world. For the media, a predetermined site is the best and a site where there is a little night life, like Reno Vegas, SLC, Denver, or even Boise, is preferred.
For the players, all I saw was a bunch of young people having a great time and getting to know one another. So, as far as the student athlete perspective, having all 12 teams was a plus. It's not all about winning and losing. It seemed like a celebration as much as a competition.
Yes it is an inconvenience for many fans, some more so than others. I don't know how you get around that, as long as you are going to have a neutral site. If the new plan is to have a predetermined, neutral site, then it is just a matter of finding the least resistance or most profit.
When you start talking about growing a brand like the BSC or an individual school, then having a tournament that gives you a little better media profile is a step in the right direction. Everyone is trying to carve out their little piece of this world.
When you ask, Is it the right thing to do? I think you have to take all of that in. I do think it is the right thing to do, we just need to make it a little better for more of our fans and our students.
John Calipari in favor of making league tourney a preseason event:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15885267
We've discussed this idea for the BSC tournament, move it to December in Vegas.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15885267
We've discussed this idea for the BSC tournament, move it to December in Vegas.
