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Coaches Show

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bearcrawls

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So I finally was able to listen to the entire coaches show via the internet, at first I wasn't sure I was going to make it past Segment 1. I just felt Coach Collins was full of excuses and was talking out of both sides of his mouth.

What really killed me is how he reiterated the statement "22 guys who want to play football..." then later saying "well we are young and the only way for them to learn is to continue to put them out there". Ok so which is it coach? You going to play the best 22 or is this clearly a throw-away season and get the young kids reps?

The second comment that actually caused me to shut down the internet and take a walk was when he said that Lobato's 4 interceptions were from either receivers for running wrong routes or because he got hit. Now I will have to go back and watch the game again to be fair, but I don't recall any of his interceptions were from getting hit as he released the ball, in fact, that post pattern that was picked off was clearly an overthrow. So as a coach you are going to throw your receivers under the bus and say it was their fault??

Coach....your players listen to show every monday night. They are actually the ones who know the truth about what is said and what went wrong and who made the mistake. I certainly hope that you are conveying to the fans the truth about the game because if you're not your players will know and will lose respect for you. I am certain that you don't allow your players to give excuses, so for you to do the same on a radio program shows to me that you are not a standup guy.

Also, stop saying "well they are fans and we are coaches"......that right there is an ignorant statement. Are you implying that fans have no knowledge of football and your staff does because you are titled as "coach"?? Some fans are also known as Boosters. I hope you understand what that term means. Do you ever think before you speak?

Lastly.....it's clear to me that this is a rebuilding year. And the season will be sacrificed to help build the young players and to further understand the spread offense. He can do what he wants, he will ultimately pay the price if the rebuilding doesn't work out. But my heart goes out to the seniors who suffered through a tough 3-8 season last year and what appears to be another suffering season at the hands of rebuilding. Thanks Coach Collins, I hope it all works out for you. Because really.....it's all about YOU isn't it coach?
 
Beardown said:
Well now, let's just fire the guy right now! :coffee: :coffee:
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Oh don't tease me!

The 2 most important things to be a successful coach:

1) Win! Winning is a cure ALL. You could be the biggest jackwagon on the planet but if you win everyone loves you.

2) Don't say or promise anything if you are not willing to back it up. In life, your word is the only thing that you can guarantee. Once your players lose trust in you it's over.

Collins and his staff have neither of these things going for them.
 
In virtually every interview I have read or heard, Coach Collins says he hates making excuses and then follows up that statement with yet another excuse...
 
Miguel said:
In virtually every interview I have read or heard, Coach Collins says he hates making excuses and then follows up that statement with yet another excuse...
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Problem is, when you lose and you are asked why you lost, anything you say will sound like an excuse.
 
Brian said:
Problem is, when you lose and you are asked why you lost, anything you say will sound like an excuse.
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Disagree. Own up to getting beat by a better tean, then shut your hole and go to work on making your team better.
 
bear_dad said:
Brian said:
Problem is, when you lose and you are asked why you lost, anything you say will sound like an excuse.
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Disagree. Own up to getting beat by a better tean, then shut your hole and go to work on making your team better.
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That would make for a really short show.
 
Collins is using Dan Hawkins motus operandi at CU-----Talk big, fail miserably when the time comes to back it up, and then when you get asked about it, throw somebody else under the bus. That trend continued today with him telling Maya Starks about how the players "haven't bought in" to him.
 
hoel4800 said:
Collins is using Dan Hawkins motus operandi at CU-----Talk big, fail miserably when the time comes to back it up, and then when you get asked about it, throw somebody else under the bus. That trend continued today with him telling Maya Starks about how the players "haven't bought in" to him.
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He said if they don't buy into what they're doing he will replace them by recruiting over them.
 
Everyone has to realize that Collins has walked into a disaster area. The Downing era absolutely obliterated this program.
 
Theres no doubt about that----Having said that, he has made life even more difficult for himself with some of the decisions he has made---Seth Lobato for one. I don't ever want to hear him talk about recruiting over the talent he's got---and I think that's having an effect on these players.
 
Beardown said:
hoel4800 said:
Collins is using Dan Hawkins motus operandi at CU-----Talk big, fail miserably when the time comes to back it up, and then when you get asked about it, throw somebody else under the bus. That trend continued today with him telling Maya Starks about how the players "haven't bought in" to him.
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He said if they don't buy into what they're doing he will replace them by recruiting over them.
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Thats exactly what I'm talking about---Talk a good game, fail miserably to back it up, and then when you get asked, throw anybody you can under the bus (your predecessor, the players, etc.) The way this year is going, I'm tempted to show him the door after the season---He's losing the players with his "recruiting over them" talk, and he already has lost the fans.
 
hoel4800 said:
Beardown said:
hoel4800 said:
Collins is using Dan Hawkins motus operandi at CU-----Talk big, fail miserably when the time comes to back it up, and then when you get asked about it, throw somebody else under the bus. That trend continued today with him telling Maya Starks about how the players "haven't bought in" to him.
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He said if they don't buy into what they're doing he will replace them by recruiting over them.
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Thats exactly what I'm talking about---Talk a good game, fail miserably to back it up, and then when you get asked, throw anybody you can under the bus (your predecessor, the players, etc.) The way this year is going, I'm tempted to show him the door after the season---He's losing the players with his "recruiting over them" talk, and he already has lost the fans.
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Losing the fans, yes, but we don't know what's going on in the locker room. I hope he's not losing any of the players.
 
I'll be honest I was glad to see him walking the sidelines and ranting and raving even in the 4th quarter, that's the first time I've seen some emotion from the coaches in forever... will that lead to wins I don't know but the catatonic reactions we had in the past certainly didn't.
 
hoel4800 said:
Beardown said:
hoel4800 said:
Collins is using Dan Hawkins motus operandi at CU-----Talk big, fail miserably when the time comes to back it up, and then when you get asked about it, throw somebody else under the bus. That trend continued today with him telling Maya Starks about how the players "haven't bought in" to him.
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He said if they don't buy into what they're doing he will replace them by recruiting over them.
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Thats exactly what I'm talking about---Talk a good game, fail miserably to back it up, and then when you get asked, throw anybody you can under the bus (your predecessor, the players, etc.) The way this year is going, I'm tempted to show him the door after the season---He's losing the players with his "recruiting over them" talk, and he already has lost the fans.
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Downing did the same thing, with one of my all time favorite quotes. "We are a D2 team playing a D1 schedule" - Scott Downing.

I agree that maybe saying that isn't the best thing. But I do think this team lacks talent.
 
I think he needs to own up to his mistakes because clearly we are being out coached, but it's clear now that there is a huge talent gap that Downing did not recruit that well. Again, we had one all-conference returner and he's out with grades.

I personally have lowered my expectations and I've accepted this season for what it will be. A possible zero win season, maybe a 1 win season. He had a horrible start to the season being named coach so late and I'd like to see what he can do with a full 12 months.
 
Did we have that big of a talent drain from this team in the off-season? It seemed like last season we were so close to winning a bunch of games but found new and amazing ways to screw it up. Now we are not even in the games. Is it the talent loss, the new system, poor coaching?

Regardless, I really hope Collins gets time to turn it around and the way Downing stuck around you have to think he will get it.
 
Brian said:
Did we have that big of a talent drain from this team in the off-season? It seemed like last season we were so close to winning a bunch of games but found new and amazing ways to screw it up. Now we are not even in the games. Is it the talent loss, the new system, poor coaching?

Regardless, I really hope Collins gets time to turn it around and the way Downing stuck around you have to think he will get it.
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I think it's a combination of all those things, lack of talent, new system, and rookie coaching (which leads to rookie mistakes). All those things equal not having a very good season.

The thing is, if Downing was still the coach, I'm 95% sure we'd still be having a similar season. Like I've been saying Downing failed to address the needs of this team in recruiting, and what's going on now, magnifies how bad the Downing era was.

If you compare UNC to any other team in the BigSky, there's still an obvious talent gap. Maybe not as big as it was 5 or 6 years ago.
 
I watched the half time talk with your head coach. It's too bad he doesn't want to take any of the blame buts throws all the players under the bus by basically calling them bad recruits. Anyways, good luck the rest of the way.
 
Coach Collins needs to keep his trap shut. Nothing positive is coming out of his mouth when he speaks and it's clear to me he is blaming his players.

And does anyone know what we are supposed to be buying into? What does this mean? Coach Collins is 8-16 now, he is less than mediocre at best. He brought over mediocre coaches with him. Maybe he should have come over and surrounded himself with new coaches with proven track records. He needed to come in and earn the players respect and I don't think he did that.

I want to know how he plans to recruit when he is 0-10? And if he "recruits over" his existing players, does he think playing freshman and sophomores over returning upperclassmen is going to help them win? I don't understand his logic, does he actually think he is going to be around in 3-4 years? :lol:

And what coach where's a shirt that says "Can I Trust You?" during a game that is televised? What does that mean??? Is this supposed to be a motivating shirt?

Coach Collins....this is on YOU and your coaching staff. YOU need to EARN the players respect and trust because YOU have proven nothing to these players. YOU have come in as a unsuccessful coach and have established no structure that has proven to be a successful. YOU do not come into a program at 8-12 and tell the kids to "trust you" and to "buy in". Words mean nothing coach, they are not 8 years old.

Oh and lastly, love the comment at halftime about "players don't know more than the coaches". So first it was "fans are fans and they need to let the coaches coach" and now a slam on the players? This coming from an 8-16 coach?? What nerve he has making those statements. :ohno:
 
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