Coaches Show

[gobears2010]

Quite frankly, there are undoubtedly some players on this team that were enjoying the easy ride Downing gave them and don't want to put in the effort Collins is asking for. If I was Collins, I'd be frustrated with those guys, too. The good news is, now that he's seeing who doesn't want to put in the effort, those players are being summarily benched.

 

[beardevil39]

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Quite frankly, there are undoubtedly some players on this team that were enjoying the easy ride Downing gave them and don't want to put in the effort Collins is asking for. If I was Collins, I'd be frustrated with those guys, too. The good news is, now that he's seeing who doesn't want to put in the effort, those players are being summarily benched.

:thumb: : :clap:

 

[hoel4800]

Collins is using Dan Hawkins motus operandi at CU-----Talk big, fail miserably when the time comes to back it up, and then when you get asked about it, throw somebody else under the bus. That trend continued today with him telling Maya Starks about how the players "haven't bought in" to him.

He said if they don't buy into what they're doing he will replace them by recruiting over them.

Thats exactly what I'm talking about---Talk a good game, fail miserably to back it up, and then when you get asked, throw anybody you can under the bus (your predecessor, the players, etc.) The way this year is going, I'm tempted to show him the door after the season---He's losing the players with his "recruiting over them" talk, and he already has lost the fans.

Downing did the same thing, with one of my all time favorite quotes. "We are a D2 team playing a D1 schedule" - Scott Downing.

I agree that maybe saying that isn't the best thing. But I do think this team lacks talent.

They don't lack that much talent---This team nearly beat Weber in Ogden last year, yet Mike Hoke looked like Andrew Luck Saturday. The difference between Downing and Collins---Downing didn't throw his players under the bus like this goon did. That "Can I trust you?" shirt? Nothing screams "I've walked into a disaster of a program and somehow managed to screw it up even more" than that.

 

[mountainbear]

Hey kids....let's look at the obvious. There is no talent drain. This group of players is okay. As far as throwing players under the bus.....yea, it's happening, but we all know players are expendable. By the way, how different is "the 22 PLAYERS WHO WILL PLAY FOR ME" than the previous 22? how's that working for you Coach Collins? It seems like the practices on Sunday are not such a great motivational tool. I heard one of the OL saying on Saturday after the game "I hope we don't practice tomorrow (Sunday) because we just can't recover". I guess the old "just tough it out and get better approach isn't effective.....grrrrrrr, go get 'em coach. As far as the staff losing the team........yeah.....they're done. It's going to take a change of mentali8ty on the staff's part, a concession or 6 years of recruiting pac 12 talent....and we have all seen how that goes. It seems like the key is getting players who have talent, or are under the radar for some reason. We had talent in the pre season.......what happened to it.....was it crushed, or run off? As I have said in many posts.....it seems to me that kids are in place, what schemes are we running to put them in a position to be successful?
Look at the stats.....are we doing what we need to do? Who is getting the ball? how effectively are we using two backs? the tight end? etc............we will see how things play out
It's not about "motivation" and "mind games".....we all know that players play & coaches coach.....players are motivated by each other.....don't lose them coach....you are close

 

[Beardown]

Looks like some of you are reading too much into what the coach is saying. He has high expectations and when the players aren't meeting those expectations, they will get criticized. Patrick Walker pretty much said the same thing Collins did, that they practiced the same plays every day during the week and had no problems but failed to execute the plays during the game. Is he throwing players under the bus?

As far as talent. We did have some talent but losing Askew and Eddy, guys who took up entire sides of the defense and losing our one playmaker on offense in Davis, will have an effect. We had ONE returning all-conference player and he's out with grades. Name more than 4-5 players on this roster that would start on any other Big Sky team. I think Hernon, Pat Walker, Lee Barbiesz, Steele and maybe Chris Morris would start. That's really all I can think of. Downing's last class was pretty good but I think he missed out on the JR and SR classes.

 

[gobears2010]

Collins is using Dan Hawkins motus operandi at CU-----Talk big, fail miserably when the time comes to back it up, and then when you get asked about it, throw somebody else under the bus. That trend continued today with him telling Maya Starks about how the players "haven't bought in" to him.

He said if they don't buy into what they're doing he will replace them by recruiting over them.

Thats exactly what I'm talking about---Talk a good game, fail miserably to back it up, and then when you get asked, throw anybody you can under the bus (your predecessor, the players, etc.) The way this year is going, I'm tempted to show him the door after the season---He's losing the players with his "recruiting over them" talk, and he already has lost the fans.

Downing did the same thing, with one of my all time favorite quotes. "We are a D2 team playing a D1 schedule" - Scott Downing.

I agree that maybe saying that isn't the best thing. But I do think this team lacks talent.

They don't lack that much talent---This team nearly beat Weber in Ogden last year, yet Mike Hoke looked like Andrew Luck Saturday. The difference between Downing and Collins---Downing didn't throw his players under the bus like this goon did. That "Can I trust you?" shirt? Nothing screams "I've walked into a disaster of a program and somehow managed to screw it up even more" than that.

You've just proved that you have no idea what you're talking about. Downing threw his players under the bus time and time again, he even tried to blame them for playcalling from time to time. Collins, along with the rest of the players and staff, have been wearing the "Can I trust you?" shirts all season. And it's an apt question, because they've found some guys already, about whom the answer to it is "No."

Go back to the CU boards, that's the only team you seem to know or care about.

 

[gobears2010]

Looks like some of you are reading too much into what the coach is saying. He has high expectations and when the players aren't meeting those expectations, they will get criticized. Patrick Walker pretty much said the same thing Collins did, that they practiced the same plays every day during the week and had no problems but failed to execute the plays during the game. Is he throwing players under the bus?

As far as talent. We did have some talent but losing Askew and Eddy, guys who took up entire sides of the defense and losing our one playmaker on offense in Davis, will have an effect. We had ONE returning all-conference player and he's out with grades. Name more than 4-5 players on this roster that would start on any other Big Sky team. I think Hernon, Pat Walker, Lee Barbiesz, Steele and maybe Chris Morris would start. That's really all I can think of. Downing's last class was pretty good but I think he missed out on the JR and SR classes.

Yeah, it's pretty clear to me at this point that a lot of the best players on this team are freshmen and sophomores. You don't typically win when that's the case.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Yeah, it's pretty clear to me at this point that a lot of the best players on this team are freshmen and sophomores. You don't typically win when that's the case.

Unless you are Weber St. :rockon:

 

[Brian]

Yeah, it's pretty clear to me at this point that a lot of the best players on this team are freshmen and sophomores. You don't typically win when that's the case.

Unless you are Weber St. :rockon:

We are clearly throwing out games so we can get Andrew Luck in the draft. Oh wait.

 

[Bearsfan24]

Quite frankly, there are undoubtedly some players on this team that were enjoying the easy ride Downing gave them and don't want to put in the effort Collins is asking for. If I was Collins, I'd be frustrated with those guys, too. The good news is, now that he's seeing who doesn't want to put in the effort, those players are being summarily benched.

Exactly. Collins actually expects something out these kids, not like Downing, where he expected them to just show up. Who do you want on your team? Winners and go getters or kids that are just happy to play college football? If you haven't guessed it, it's the first one. If you're the type of kid, that's going to get butt hurt about something your coach said on the radio or interview, stomp off and throw a fit. Then honestly, I don't think I would want that type of kid on my team. This isn't high school anymore. College football isn't about making sure every one likes you and worrying about their feelings. It's a business, you have to produce, other wise you get benched or fired.

I agree with Beardown, I think a lot of you making too much of what's being said by Collins. "Can I Trust You?" is a simple concept, that actually could be used throughout all sports. Can I trust my teammates to do their job and execute, without having to be told to. Is it too much for Collins to want these kids to go out, execute, and do their job? I don't think Collins has lost any of the players, sure some are probably still on the fence.

 

[budbear]

It is obvious that something is not working with this team. I have a feeling that the team and the coach are not a good match. The common theme after each loss is that they are not buying into the system. Why? There is a chemistry that has to be in tact for things to flow and this team and coaching staff don't seem to be on the same page. There is some good talent on the team and the coaches are probably good coaches, but something isn't clicking. It seemed to start with the QB decision and this thing about "Can you trust Me" tells me that they don't, so he has to wear his plead on his shirt. It just might take 3 or more years for the coaches to get players that fit their system. Then we will see how good the team can be. Too bad that this match didn't work out so well at the beginning.

 

[hoel4800]

Collins is using Dan Hawkins motus operandi at CU-----Talk big, fail miserably when the time comes to back it up, and then when you get asked about it, throw somebody else under the bus. That trend continued today with him telling Maya Starks about how the players "haven't bought in" to him.

He said if they don't buy into what they're doing he will replace them by recruiting over them.

Thats exactly what I'm talking about---Talk a good game, fail miserably to back it up, and then when you get asked, throw anybody you can under the bus (your predecessor, the players, etc.) The way this year is going, I'm tempted to show him the door after the season---He's losing the players with his "recruiting over them" talk, and he already has lost the fans.

Downing did the same thing, with one of my all time favorite quotes. "We are a D2 team playing a D1 schedule" - Scott Downing.

I agree that maybe saying that isn't the best thing. But I do think this team lacks talent.

They don't lack that much talent---This team nearly beat Weber in Ogden last year, yet Mike Hoke looked like Andrew Luck Saturday. The difference between Downing and Collins---Downing didn't throw his players under the bus like this goon did. That "Can I trust you?" shirt? Nothing screams "I've walked into a disaster of a program and somehow managed to screw it up even more" than that.

You've just proved that you have no idea what you're talking about. Downing threw his players under the bus time and time again, he even tried to blame them for playcalling from time to time. Collins, along with the rest of the players and staff, have been wearing the "Can I trust you?" shirts all season. And it's an apt question, because they've found some guys already, about whom the answer to it is "No."

Go back to the CU boards, that's the only team you seem to know or care about.

Care to give me specifics before you insult me? Like I said---This same lack of talent and pitiful coach you've bitched about took Weber in Ogden to 4 OT's last year. Somehow, Weber comes in here Saturday and gets up 35-0 at half. The 30 point loss in Pocatello last week was the first loss to ISU since 2007. 18 seniors off last year's team---and a returning QB to boot. Heres my issue---Until he can get 2-3 of his own recruiting classes in here (whether or not he gets the time to do so is very much in doubt at this point IMO), he's gotta put the best players he has out there. That should start with the QB position.

 

[Brian]

Needless to say, this evening show should be interesting. It is a call in show (or you could show up to the Palomino Restaurant in Evans) so have your say. I wouldn't really have a question to ask but am interested in how recruiting is going.

 

[bearcrawls]

Care to give me specifics before you insult me? Like I said---This same lack of talent and pitiful coach you've bitched about took Weber in Ogden to 4 OT's last year. Somehow, Weber comes in here Saturday and gets up 35-0 at half. The 30 point loss in Pocatello last week was the first loss to ISU since 2007. 18 seniors off last year's team---and a returning QB to boot. Heres my issue---Until he can get 2-3 of his own recruiting classes in here (whether or not he gets the time to do so is very much in doubt at this point IMO), he's gotta put the best players he has out there. That should start with the QB position.

I said before if Lobato starts struggling and they leave him in it's a throw-away year. This is one of many decisions that's irritating the players. No way Lobato should have started the 3rd quarter. Granted he had a very good 3Q and threw some very nice passes, he looked bad again in the 4Q. I can't wait to listen to the "Who goes under the Bus" Show tonight and also to hear how he is going to recruit players when the team goes 0-10 and his own record goes to 8-22 (edited). :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

[bearsradio]

Needless to say, this evening show should be interesting. It is a call in show (or you could show up to the Palomino Restaurant in Evans) so have your say. I wouldn't really have a question to ask but am interested in how recruiting is going.

Actually, for tech reasons, we don't take live calls. Long story short, its an issue between how we send the audio back to the station and would receive audio back.

HOWEVER: You notice I highlighted the show up part. Feel free. Heck, bring the kids--half price meal with purchase of an entree. It'd be nice to actually have folks show up and support Palomino for hosting the show, instead of a mostly empty room. BTW, that's not only a football issue. The hoops program made the NCAA's last year and the coaches show still didn't draw much attendance.

Also, I will have up email and Twitter during the show. Email [email protected] or use my main Twitter handle (@troycoverdale) or (@UNCBearsRadio). Please do be aware that editing will occur as necessary. Be aware, as well, that I will use your name/Twitter handle to preface the comment or question. You won't be given the anonymity you enjoy here.

 

[Brian]

Good show tonight. Coach Collins needs to stop being defensive when a question comes from "a fan". When the question from "a fan" was brought up in regards to his poor start at Alcorn State and now UNC, his initial response was "Well you know again that goes to a fan" in a very dismissive tone. It was a fair question and he did address it with the players buying into the new system. He mentioned the players don't buy in then you need to start the Freshmen.

One thing I came out of this show was that Coach Collins really loves this school and really wants to succeed here. We are never going to get a top notch coach, especially one that will stick around very long if we succeed (Boyle) so our best shot is an alum with ties to the school doing well.

 

[hoel4800]

Brian---Not sure I agree with you entirely....I think Hill (who had no ties to this school when he came with Boyle) will have a long, very successful run here....Dont you? Wrong board I know.

 

[Beardown]

Oh I can't wait for the Collins haters to get on this. That was a good show last night. He wants everyone on this team to buy into his way of doing things. What coach in America doesn't? He had plenty of positives to say, like how the team didn't give up and highlighted people who are buying into what he's doing, like Bumpas who has proven to be a leader on this team, and Patrick Walker, a senior leader.

He loves UNC and is going to turn things around. UNC will be back to being the University of National Champions.

 

[Brian]

Coach Collins talking about the palyer who knew what he was supposed to do but didn't do it was interesting. I can quite remember the context but the player was supposed to take 3 steps instead of 1 and the player knew it but was so conditioned to taking 1 step that's what he did. That would be maddening as a coach.

 

[bearcrawls]

Good show tonight. Coach Collins needs to stop being defensive when a question comes from "a fan". When the question from "a fan" was brought up in regards to his poor start at Alcorn State and now UNC, his initial response was "Well you know again that goes to a fan" in a very dismissive tone. It was a fair question and he did address it with the players buying into the new system. He mentioned the players don't buy in then you need to start the Freshmen.

One thing I came out of this show was that Coach Collins really loves this school and really wants to succeed here. We are never going to get a top notch coach, especially one that will stick around very long if we succeed (Boyle) so our best shot is an alum with ties to the school doing well.

I did not get a chance to listen last night but will listen to the segments once they are online. Glad to hear the show was a little more positive. Again, not sure what the players are supposed to be buying into. Coach....let's be honest and fair, you have no credibility or have established anything to be given the respect you are demanding. You want respect from the players, then earn it like everyone else. :thumb: