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Downing's gotta go!
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badass mama
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Sadly, I rest my case.
uncbears
Active member
Kay Dalton was fired in 2005 and he left with a 38-31 record at UNC. What good High school Athlete is going to want to play for a school that has won one game for basically the past three seasons. UNC average sports attendance is low and our school enrollment has been down for the last two years. UNC needs to figure it out that unfortunatley since we are not a Collegiate academic school that the only way to grow is with UNC athletics. UNC needs to spend the money to get top coaches, better facilities, better marketing, and put some lights in the stadium. Look at Boise State thier student enrollment has increased substantially every year because of a winning football program and they came out of the Big Sky Conf. Fire Downing and hire a big name coach with an established winning record.
Bearsfan24
Active member
uncbears said:
I agree. UNC got out coached, out played, and out everything on Saturday. The sad thing is, is that Montana wasn't amazingly athletic, they had a good QB and huge O-line. But they showed what good preparation and coaching can do. I wasn't impressed, I thought Weber State was better. Its also sad, when the Montana fans make a 12 hour drive and are louder than the home team fans. You would've thought you were in Missoula.
gobears
Active member
The sad part is that attendance at both the school, and games was way up, UNC really had an opertunity to move to the next level, but missed it.
From what I heard while I was there, there is not much much of a desire to grow enrollment at UNC past 15k. But that would be a good size. With the state of state funding the only way for the university to raise money is to get more students.
From what I heard while I was there, there is not much much of a desire to grow enrollment at UNC past 15k. But that would be a good size. With the state of state funding the only way for the university to raise money is to get more students.
bearsradio
Active member
The ten-year stretch of Glenn's success was the program's high point, not tradition. The tradition of the program is mediocrity or worse, and the lack of support from the community makes that evident.
When the only time people go to games is when the program is winning, there is no tradition in place. Families and friends tailgating at every home game, having invested in season tickets for years at a stretch, wearing school gear to the games (not Broncos' gear). Setting aside Saturday's to go to the game instead of scheduling other things to do "because the weather's nice" is tradition. Singing along to the alma mater and fight song is tradition.
A lack of winning and a general lack of support add up to there being no tradition, and the same can be said of most of the University's programs. The divide between the community and the university is a huge reason, too.
The fact remains that the only tradition involving sports in this state is the Broncos, and the colleges don't even get a sniff from residents until they start winning.
When the only time people go to games is when the program is winning, there is no tradition in place. Families and friends tailgating at every home game, having invested in season tickets for years at a stretch, wearing school gear to the games (not Broncos' gear). Setting aside Saturday's to go to the game instead of scheduling other things to do "because the weather's nice" is tradition. Singing along to the alma mater and fight song is tradition.
A lack of winning and a general lack of support add up to there being no tradition, and the same can be said of most of the University's programs. The divide between the community and the university is a huge reason, too.
The fact remains that the only tradition involving sports in this state is the Broncos, and the colleges don't even get a sniff from residents until they start winning.
Phineas J. Whoopee
Active member
Here's a list of teams that have won 1 game a season for the last 3 seasons and have strong support...
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Sorta new to the boards, well posting at least. I have been reading for a while just figured I would pop on and give my two cents / ask a question or two.
It would appear that this team is doing better, Although since I have been following this program (10) years or so, I would have to say this is by far the worst results I have seen. Being competitive for a game is one thing, which they have done most this season. On the other hand it all comes down to the BIG W. Which they have not produced. Whether it be recruiting or coaching doesn't really matter. It all comes back to the HC. If Downing were to get let go, who would replace him. I see people talk about getting a big name to UNC, but I don't see a lot of big names that would even consider coming to UNC. Just wondering who you guys thought would be good candidates for the job, if it were to come about. That's pretty much the gist of this post.
It would appear that this team is doing better, Although since I have been following this program (10) years or so, I would have to say this is by far the worst results I have seen. Being competitive for a game is one thing, which they have done most this season. On the other hand it all comes down to the BIG W. Which they have not produced. Whether it be recruiting or coaching doesn't really matter. It all comes back to the HC. If Downing were to get let go, who would replace him. I see people talk about getting a big name to UNC, but I don't see a lot of big names that would even consider coming to UNC. Just wondering who you guys thought would be good candidates for the job, if it were to come about. That's pretty much the gist of this post.
uncfootballrules
Active member
Everyone knows where I fall on the keep / fire spectrum - won't waste any more time on that for now.
If Downing were to be fired, we will not get a big name coach to come here. They would have to find an up and coming coach - which is what a lot of FCS schools have to do. Probably have to look at D2 coaches or assistants at FBS schools. I don't think it would end up being a big name though.
If Downing were to be fired, we will not get a big name coach to come here. They would have to find an up and coming coach - which is what a lot of FCS schools have to do. Probably have to look at D2 coaches or assistants at FBS schools. I don't think it would end up being a big name though.
I have a coach who has succeeded at FBS schools for ya and is at least worth a phone call: Gary Barnett. Rumor has it he'd like another opportunity to coach, and as he has had no INTERVIEWS with FBS schools since his ouster at CU, that chance may come at the FCS level. If he says no, so be it.
gobears2010
Active member
Brian said:
Me too.
bearsradio
Active member
I've never understood the fascination with Barnett, and with everything that went on at CU he's got the image of someone who can't control his program. Add in his treatment of Katie Hnida, and he's been blacklisted.
My point here isn't about keeping/getting rid of/etc.; I just think those crying for "tradition" need to take a closer look. There have been three coaches with winning records, and Dalton's wouldn't be that way if he was still coaching here.
Claiming that there's tradition is like me trying to claim that Kansas State had a positive tradition for all those years after World War 2 before Bill Snyder took over. Snyder's tenure is now looking like the extreme, rather than the norm, just as Glenn's at UNC could be seen the same way.
My point here isn't about keeping/getting rid of/etc.; I just think those crying for "tradition" need to take a closer look. There have been three coaches with winning records, and Dalton's wouldn't be that way if he was still coaching here.
Claiming that there's tradition is like me trying to claim that Kansas State had a positive tradition for all those years after World War 2 before Bill Snyder took over. Snyder's tenure is now looking like the extreme, rather than the norm, just as Glenn's at UNC could be seen the same way.
gobears
Active member
My 2 cents: I would say find a solid D2 performer rather than trying to find an assistant from a big name school (what we have now), a supprise big name like Barnett (didnt exactly work out for PSU). Look at what Montana did to get one of their national championsips - hire a proven winner from D2. If we are looking to follow some school as an example why not pick the best in the conference.
I dont know how the UNC HC sallary relates to top D2 or other FCS programs, but we should invest some serious money into making the job competive. We had to do the same thing with BB to get Boyle, he orignially turned down the job.
I would be uneasy about Barnett, besides the controversial baggage, he is used to working at a school where he has whatever resources he needs. That is not UNC, so he may sturggle a bit. A D2 coach is not used to selling potential athletes on the glory of the progam. That being said he is a solid play caller.
I dont know how the UNC HC sallary relates to top D2 or other FCS programs, but we should invest some serious money into making the job competive. We had to do the same thing with BB to get Boyle, he orignially turned down the job.
I would be uneasy about Barnett, besides the controversial baggage, he is used to working at a school where he has whatever resources he needs. That is not UNC, so he may sturggle a bit. A D2 coach is not used to selling potential athletes on the glory of the progam. That being said he is a solid play caller.
