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Fire Downing?...
- Thread starter Beardown
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Phineas J. Whoopee
Active member
I voted yes. I think he's a nice guy but... well that might be the problem. The team is just so soft... they seem to have no toughness, they just go out and fold up like a pup tent. Bottom line the program has not gotten one bit better under his tenure. Good coaches make an impact at some level if nothing else their teams play hard and play with discipline. All the penalties, that is on coaching. This guy just doesn't have it.
We need to go down to D II and find a guy with proven success winning as a HEAD coach. Like the guy at Chadron for example.
Once they are 0-6 or so hopefully he will do the right thing and resign, let Darnell finish the season and then can the AD and start over...
After the NAU game and the one this week I have no interest in going to Nottingham Field until they show me something. The onus is now on them to prove me wrong. I dare them to.
We need to go down to D II and find a guy with proven success winning as a HEAD coach. Like the guy at Chadron for example.
Once they are 0-6 or so hopefully he will do the right thing and resign, let Darnell finish the season and then can the AD and start over...
After the NAU game and the one this week I have no interest in going to Nottingham Field until they show me something. The onus is now on them to prove me wrong. I dare them to.
UNCBearsSupporter
Member
The problem is Hinrichs wants nothing to do with D2. In his spite for "the way things use to be" he avoids everything D2 to get rid of that stigma associated with what UNC use to be (although they were powerhouses and successful then, something they will never be again).
Instead of getting a great coach from the D2 level (as many I-AA/FCS programs have) he went to a big-time DI program and got a coach who hadn't been a head coach in forever and brought him in (barely convincing him to) just to have a DI name associated with UNC. It makes no sense. And this is not the only hire in the department (coaching or non-coaching position) he has done this with.
His stuborness has ruined the UNC athletic department.
Instead of getting a great coach from the D2 level (as many I-AA/FCS programs have) he went to a big-time DI program and got a coach who hadn't been a head coach in forever and brought him in (barely convincing him to) just to have a DI name associated with UNC. It makes no sense. And this is not the only hire in the department (coaching or non-coaching position) he has done this with.
His stuborness has ruined the UNC athletic department.
I agree with Jars. I believe the problem is with the AD. He has thoroughly alienated the former players and supporters who are not "corporate sponsors." There has long been a winning tradition in UNC football and that should have been embraced by the current athletic director rather than rejected. As a consequence of this alienation, the AD has lost most, if not all of his grass roots support.
UNCBearsSports
Active member
I have to agree with Jars, UNCBearsSupporter and Lobo as the numerous changes that he has made have done nothing positive in increasing fan support and loyalty. At the least I know others feel the same way as I watched that debacle against Chadron yesterday. One thing that really impressed me was the nice following of fan support that Chadron has.
UNCBearsSupporter said:
You're probably one of those people who didn't even want UNC to move up so your point is mute. I remember when the coaching search was going on and a lot of fans on the old board were calling for a coach with D1 experience. There's nothing wrong with doing things the d1 way.
Also, I think Hinrichs has learned from his mistakes. The Blue and Gold club was reinstated and there's a new varsity level (I believe that's what it's called) where former athletes can make contributions and get special perks. I wouldn't really call that isolating anyone.
I am not the biggest Hinrichs fan but I think he's better then Fallis.
uncfootballrules
Active member
I cannot believe there is even debate on this issue. Clean house.
I agree wholeheartedly that the right place to start is with the AD. He has done nothing positive for any program. Every single team is being dominated in every way. Nothing he has done has worked out at all. He is also a BBall guy trying to fit in at a football school. He needs to go and I don't mean tomorrow.
Downing will be allowed to finish the season. I honestly don't see how he can win a game this year though. The worst part is that the games keep getting worse and worse. I cannot recall anytime in history that we get blown out of every single game. Short of some miraculous turnaround I think a record of 1 - 22 would leave little room for debate on what should be done. Actually if nothing is done that will be a bigger blow to the program because it says to the fans and alumni that the admin just doesn't care. This hire was a mistake - acknowledge that and remedy it.
I still say go get Stitt from Mines. We need a coach who is used to winning with less and that is where we are right now. I'm not sold on the CSC coach. They are really solid right now, but I'm not sure he can get all of the credit for that. I think lightning happened to strike at the right place when Woodhead showed up on campus. Let's see how he does without Woodhead because that was about as much of a one man wrecking crew as I've ever seen.
I agree wholeheartedly that the right place to start is with the AD. He has done nothing positive for any program. Every single team is being dominated in every way. Nothing he has done has worked out at all. He is also a BBall guy trying to fit in at a football school. He needs to go and I don't mean tomorrow.
Downing will be allowed to finish the season. I honestly don't see how he can win a game this year though. The worst part is that the games keep getting worse and worse. I cannot recall anytime in history that we get blown out of every single game. Short of some miraculous turnaround I think a record of 1 - 22 would leave little room for debate on what should be done. Actually if nothing is done that will be a bigger blow to the program because it says to the fans and alumni that the admin just doesn't care. This hire was a mistake - acknowledge that and remedy it.
I still say go get Stitt from Mines. We need a coach who is used to winning with less and that is where we are right now. I'm not sold on the CSC coach. They are really solid right now, but I'm not sure he can get all of the credit for that. I think lightning happened to strike at the right place when Woodhead showed up on campus. Let's see how he does without Woodhead because that was about as much of a one man wrecking crew as I've ever seen.
UNCAlum said:UNCBearsSports said:
It used to be that way at UNC.
I can remember fans traveling to Alabama to watch UNC play!
I flew out to the second NC game in Florence. It was so much fun. If the team went on a run and made it to the I-AA (that's what I still call it) Championship game there would be just as many, if not more making the trip to Chatanooga. Winning cures all ills.
budbear
Active member
I just don't understand fair weather fans. It seems sad that some of the UNC fans can only support a winning team. All programs go through ups and downs and we will recover sooner or later, hopefully for us sooner. The coaches and players know what they need to do and I am sure they are working as hard as possible at getting the program back to success. What they need now, is to know that their fans are with them and encourage them to give everything they have to bring the wins back to UNC.
The problem is that most of the students come from the Denver area which has zero coverage on UNC sports. Incoming freshmen are not excited about attendeng UNC sports because there is no exposure to it in high school. I hope the students that were at the game come back because the price is certainly right for them. All it takes is a few minute walk to the field (much shorter than when we had to walk to Jackson from West Campus) and a couple of hours of entertainment.
Do they still do the bonfire and snake dance? That was fun as well. I remember Joe Glenn's can of whoop ass he would bring to the bonfire.
Do they still do the bonfire and snake dance? That was fun as well. I remember Joe Glenn's can of whoop ass he would bring to the bonfire.
uncfootballrules
Active member
I think everyone on this board continues to support the Bears. The fact that any of us are embarrassed and angry is perfectly allowable. The fact that someone may be of the opinion that the current admininstration and coaching staff is incapable of getting us back to the dominance we used to enjoy does not mean they are a fair weather fan. It might actually mean that they still feel passionate about the program and want it to recover more quickly.budbear said:
Just some interesting tidbits on Scott Downing's exit from Huskerland.
He was hired at NU by Frank Solich, NOT Bill Callahan. Callahan kept him after he took over mainly because he was the recruiting coordinator. Despite this, they never meshed, and that left Downing looking for the first gig that would get him out of Lincoln, which unfortunately for us, was UNC football.
Having said this, you cant fire Downing in the middle of the season. Yes, you can fire Hinrichs, but we all know Kay Norton wont do that. Best Case Scenario: Downing either quits before season's end or gets canned in December.........
Okay off the subject but try this on for size: Since its apparent well need a new football coach at the end of this season, why not bring in Gary Barnett? Hes a coach who knows how to get the most out of what he has, as shown by what he was able to do at Northwestern. As far as his exit from Boulder, he wasnt fired during the recruiting scandal. He had to go because the scandal did a tremendous amount of damage to CU's recruiting. Having said that, he WANTS to coach again. Why not give him a chance and see what he can do? Hed probably be better than some big schools position coach..................
He was hired at NU by Frank Solich, NOT Bill Callahan. Callahan kept him after he took over mainly because he was the recruiting coordinator. Despite this, they never meshed, and that left Downing looking for the first gig that would get him out of Lincoln, which unfortunately for us, was UNC football.
Having said this, you cant fire Downing in the middle of the season. Yes, you can fire Hinrichs, but we all know Kay Norton wont do that. Best Case Scenario: Downing either quits before season's end or gets canned in December.........
Okay off the subject but try this on for size: Since its apparent well need a new football coach at the end of this season, why not bring in Gary Barnett? Hes a coach who knows how to get the most out of what he has, as shown by what he was able to do at Northwestern. As far as his exit from Boulder, he wasnt fired during the recruiting scandal. He had to go because the scandal did a tremendous amount of damage to CU's recruiting. Having said that, he WANTS to coach again. Why not give him a chance and see what he can do? Hed probably be better than some big schools position coach..................
bearsfan...NOT
Member
my question is why not fire the "D" coordinator first because if you allow 31 points to a D2 school thats just a smack in the face to 1-AA powerhouses
PSUVikings
Active member
Let him finish out the year, if no improvement is made the can him.
uncfootballrules
Active member
Since when is the guy that hired a 1-12 coach that just got run out of his own stadium by a D2 school above criticism. Personally I am sure that both Hinrichs and Downing want to win and succeed - that is the only way they keep their job and everyone happy. Wanting to do something and actually doing it are two different things, however.Beardown said:
No one hopes more than me that Downing and Hinrichs turn this thing around this year. But as long as the Bears keep putting up embarrassing losses, you might want to prepare yourself that some bashing of the administration and coaching staff will occur.
