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Football Dilema
- Thread starter Ursa Major
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Cabral wasn't considered last time because of the stink of the CU sleaze that was on him. That probably wouldn't affect him quite as much now, I don't see them hiring another position coach - i'd say the next coach will at least be a coordinator.
As for Glenn, I think he'd get it if he wants it. I don't think he will, because he's a legend here and i don't think he could ever match what he accomplished here. He can't play Adams St. every week and he wouldn't have the resources he had at Montana.
As for Glenn, I think he'd get it if he wants it. I don't think he will, because he's a legend here and i don't think he could ever match what he accomplished here. He can't play Adams St. every week and he wouldn't have the resources he had at Montana.
Would Hinrichs match the salary of somebody such as Marty English?
We need to focus on somebody with ties to the school or the state---
Marty English, Mike Breske, and Brian Cabral would have to be on any list.
What about Bobby Kennedy--Texas WR's coach---is a UNC alum and a Colorado native?
We need to focus on somebody with ties to the school or the state---
Marty English, Mike Breske, and Brian Cabral would have to be on any list.
What about Bobby Kennedy--Texas WR's coach---is a UNC alum and a Colorado native?
I gotta believe there's not much more in the bank than they were paying Downing and staff. It's not like anyone gives any money (or ever has). I think the department needs to look beyond JUST who's been an assistant here. There's no magic to someone who's got Greeley ties necessarily.
Ursa Major
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The lure is the opportunity to be a head coach in a D1 AA program. If you can turn it around here, bigger schools will eventually come calling.
We need to find someone now. Not wait till the end of the season and grab some guy that just got s__t canned from his previous job. There's a reason guy's get fired, and all that needs to be taken into consideration.
Contrary to popular belief, Downing didn't leave Nebraska because he thought UNC was a diamond in the rough, and he wanted to polish it. Downing wasn't going to be rehired by Callahan, because Callahan had brought in Sean Watson (?) fron CU to be his tight ends coach. Downing was a guy that was soon to be unemployed, and Hinrichs saw "NEBRASKA" on the guys resume.
Unfortunately, Hinrichs didn't respect our program enough to think we needed a good coach, he felt that probably anyone could come in here and be successful at it.
The problem we now face is that Jay " I have no real experience other than being a lower level Asst. A.D in charge of facilities at Kansas" Hinrichs, will once again, have final say on who gets hired. Let's just pray that his next selection is better than his last one.
By the way, let's quit giving Hinrichs credit for the facility upgrades. They were in the works before he stepped on campus.
We need to find someone now. Not wait till the end of the season and grab some guy that just got s__t canned from his previous job. There's a reason guy's get fired, and all that needs to be taken into consideration.
Contrary to popular belief, Downing didn't leave Nebraska because he thought UNC was a diamond in the rough, and he wanted to polish it. Downing wasn't going to be rehired by Callahan, because Callahan had brought in Sean Watson (?) fron CU to be his tight ends coach. Downing was a guy that was soon to be unemployed, and Hinrichs saw "NEBRASKA" on the guys resume.
Unfortunately, Hinrichs didn't respect our program enough to think we needed a good coach, he felt that probably anyone could come in here and be successful at it.
The problem we now face is that Jay " I have no real experience other than being a lower level Asst. A.D in charge of facilities at Kansas" Hinrichs, will once again, have final say on who gets hired. Let's just pray that his next selection is better than his last one.
By the way, let's quit giving Hinrichs credit for the facility upgrades. They were in the works before he stepped on campus.
Ursa Major
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Beardown said:
So if I'm full of bs on "just about" everything I said, why don't you tell me what you agreed with so we can come to some sort of concensus. All I ever read from you is one week you hate Downing, and the next you don't. Buddy, get down off that fence because pretty soon, that barbed wire is gonna start hurtin' some tender areas.
gobears2010
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Personally, I'd be fine if Downing & Co. didn't make the trip to Pocatello this week. If we want someone on an interim basis, Cody Deti has what it takes to be a head coach, IMO.
1st of all Downing makes between $95-$100K. If any of you super fans want to crack open your wallets, they can recruit a different level of coach . . . . . didn't think so.
2nd Downing was not going to get let go by Nebraska as Ursa has been saying. He' got a lot of connections in the region + a desire to be a HC and was willing to take 1/2 the $ to be a head coach.
3rd The vote the students took to tax themselves for upgrades to athletic and recreation facility upgrades was passed because of extensive legwork and politicing by Jay Hinrichs (athletics) and Cheryl Kent (then of recreation).
2nd Downing was not going to get let go by Nebraska as Ursa has been saying. He' got a lot of connections in the region + a desire to be a HC and was willing to take 1/2 the $ to be a head coach.
3rd The vote the students took to tax themselves for upgrades to athletic and recreation facility upgrades was passed because of extensive legwork and politicing by Jay Hinrichs (athletics) and Cheryl Kent (then of recreation).
Ursa Major
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BearCub said:
I don't think we really want a coach above the D1 AA level, just one that is above Downings level. Say...high school?
BearCub said:
I know people in the area, I'd like to be a head coach, and I'd take 1/2 of what Downing is making. Guess what? It still doesn't make me a head coach (Just as it didn't make Downing one either). And yes, you're probably right, Scott and Watson were going to share the tight end coaching position at Nebraska. :roll:
The work for the new facilities was started under Fallis, and carried over to Hinrichs. You're right, I shouldn't have suggested that Hinrichs did nothing, but we sure as hell shouldn't be patting the guy on the back for continuing what was already in place. I think it's safe to assume that Jay takes home a paycheck. Picking up where the last guy left off is called "doing your job".
If Fallis was such a great AD then why did it take them several years to dig out of the mess he left?
I didn't say that Downing was hired becasue he had ties to the area, i said that he had interst becasue of his time in the area - big difference. Downing was still the special teams coordinator and recruiting coordiator at little red when he decided to take 1/2 the money to come to greeley.
I didn't say that Downing was hired becasue he had ties to the area, i said that he had interst becasue of his time in the area - big difference. Downing was still the special teams coordinator and recruiting coordiator at little red when he decided to take 1/2 the money to come to greeley.
gobears
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I do have to say that from my humble perspective Fallis was a terrible AD, we came into the transition to D1 totally unprepared and that mess lies solely in the lap of Fallis. The idea that we could compete at a higher level without full scholarships in place is insane, and this whole facility upgrade package should have been underway - not on the drawing board before the transition was complete. Look at how the NDSU and SDSU did it - their facility upgrades were done ahead of time so that they could start recruiting at a higher level right away, not 5 years down the road.
The one big feather in Hinrichs' cap is the Big Sky, he did get us into that conference in part because he is a very good salesman IMHO, and he also helped pass the fee increase, but as mentioned before there are others who deserve just as much credit (Bob Hetzel is another who was instrumental in passing it).
As for the comment that we have the best facilities in the Sky, that is just plain wrong. Montana does...by far. We will be middle of the pack when the renovations to BH are done.
The one big feather in Hinrichs' cap is the Big Sky, he did get us into that conference in part because he is a very good salesman IMHO, and he also helped pass the fee increase, but as mentioned before there are others who deserve just as much credit (Bob Hetzel is another who was instrumental in passing it).
As for the comment that we have the best facilities in the Sky, that is just plain wrong. Montana does...by far. We will be middle of the pack when the renovations to BH are done.
uncfootballrules
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So it sounds like you want to keep Downing then? Give me a break. There are plenty of good coaches that would jump at that money for the chance to improve their resume.BearCub said:
Downing was told by Callahan that he was not coming back. He was basically a holdover from Solich and let go after Callahan was in for a year - most likely he wanted to keep some recruiting in order year one.
uncfootballrules
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He was actually the kicking specialists coach. Again, I don't think he decided to take half the money. I think his resume was at a lot of places as is the case with all people who find themselves out of work.BearCub said:
I never said he should stay after this year. Scott is a great guy, a pretty good recruiter and the players really like him. I don't think he should be retained, I don't think he will be retained, but I think he helped build a foundation in the talent base & it will be time to turn the program over to someone else that can get the job done.
Ursa Major
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Thank you GoBears, I stand corrected.
EXACTLY !!! Great Point!
I say we blame that S.O.B. Callahan for our problems. I never did like him.
GoBears said:
EXACTLY !!! Great Point!
uncfootballrules said:
I say we blame that S.O.B. Callahan for our problems. I never did like him.
