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ISU Part Two

Weren't you around for the funding of the Parthenon??? LOL..just kidding olds...we actually have 1 thru 4 in motion and we have secured close to a million in seed money, but that is a drop in the bucket...out here you almost have to get corporate sponsors involved and that will take more time...
 
sacstateman said:
Weren't you around for the funding of the Parthenon??? LOL..just kidding olds...we actually have 1 thru 4 in motion and we have secured close to a million in seed money, but that is a drop in the bucket...out here you almost have to get corporate sponsors involved and that will take more time...

For the Parthenon we just chained up a bunch of slaves. Maybe that can still be done in Idaho. :lol:

Send me the web site where I can contribute. I believe that there is tremendous potential in Sac, and in Poky. These things just need to build momentum. :coffee:
 
Bengal visitor said:
2) Reed is very similar to most of the gyms in the Big West, which is a higher ranked conference than the Big Sky. It is certainly equal to, or better than the current Stott Center, the The Hornets Nest, and UNC's arena. It will serve the purpose of hosting the Weber-ISU game just fine;

Bengal, it embarrasses me to hear Weber snobs berate other BSC venues. Weber has a fantastic facility that was done in a much different time, especially economically. My Grandfather was a generous donor to WSU and the DEC. At the time it was built there was huge support from the community for WSU basketball, both in attendance and in those who were willing to donate something. Now? Not so much, and that goes for basketball in general. Weber leads the BSC in bball "attendance" thanks, in large, to sponsor tickets being paid for. Weber couldn't fill Reed with paying customers who actually attend the game so who really gives a rat's @$$ if ISU, SAC, or whoever has a smaller facility and I really don't understand the nose in the air attitude about it. Reed will serve just fine to play the game and it might actually be to Weber's advantage since Reed has a more confined feel like most venues they play in as opposed to big, open Holt which has a totally different feel. It's more about the players anyway, not arrogant fans-- smells just like the "u".
 
SWWeatherCat said:
Bengal visitor said:
2) Reed is very similar to most of the gyms in the Big West, which is a higher ranked conference than the Big Sky. It is certainly equal to, or better than the current Stott Center, the The Hornets Nest, and UNC's arena. It will serve the purpose of hosting the Weber-ISU game just fine;

Bengal, it embarrasses me to hear Weber snobs berate other BSC venues. Weber has a fantastic facility that was done in a much different time, especially economically. My Grandfather was a generous donor to WSU and the DEC. At the time it was built there was huge support from the community for WSU basketball, both in attendance and in those who were willing to donate something. Now? Not so much, and that goes for basketball in general. Weber leads the BSC in bball "attendance" thanks, in large, to sponsor tickets being paid for. Weber couldn't fill Reed with paying customers who actually attend the game so who really gives a rat's @$$ if ISU, SAC, or whoever has a smaller facility and I really don't understand the nose in the air attitude about it. Reed will serve just fine to play the game and it might actually be to Weber's advantage since Reed has a more confined feel like most venues they play in as opposed to big, open Holt which has a totally different feel. It's more about the players anyway, not arrogant fans-- smells just like the "u".


+1. I'm with SWWeathercat, (minus the talk about not having enough fans to fill Reed). But this is Wildcat country, not egriz. I don't see the people here complaining about Gonzaga's gym, it's small too, but loud. I'm not a huge fan of the bleachers in Reed, but a packed Reed can get loud and very hostile to visiting teams, especial rival visiting teams. Weber better come prepared to fight for their win tonight. ISU is going to fight just as hard

GO WILDCATS
 
This will be the 120th game between the two longtime rivals. The two teams have met every year since Weber State’s first year of Division I basketball in 1962-63. The Wildcats hold a 77-42 all-time series lead and have won six of the last seven and 13 of the last 15 games against the Bengals, including a win earlier this season in Ogden.
In games played in Pocatello, Idaho State leads 28-26 all-time. Over the last 12 games in Pocatello, the two teams are tied 6-6. The Wildcats won 70-63 last season in Pocatello behind 30 points from Jeremy Senglin.
Weber State head coach Randy Rahe is 15-4 in his career against Idaho State and is 6-3 in games in Pocatello.


120th meeting between bitter rivals, and Joel just may make Weber and Big Sky history.
Couldn't get better than this
 
Bengal visitor, we already have a couple lead donors. We just need another commitment before we can build a new gym at ISU. I know this from a very good source who's employed at ISU. When we soon do get a new gym it will be the nicest one in this league.
 
Bolomboy is the WSU rebounding leader, I don't know if he's the BSC leader yet, Cats playing much better the last 7 minutes up 8 with less than 9 to go. It should also be noted that ISU has cooled off after smoking the rims in the 1st half they were 2-14 at one point in the 2nd half. Wildcats need to finish the Bengals now.
 
These are some of the worst refs I've seen in awhile, mind you I've only seen the second half of the second half. So many ticky-tack (and beyond) fouls called on Weber in the final minutes. And Hill drew a charge on an and-1, and Hill was called for the foul.

Anyway, for all the crap talked about Big Sky "arenas," Idaho State's gym sure seems like it would be difficult to play in, in the small atmosphere (but louder than Sacramento State and Portland State).
 
wsucatfan said:
Wildcats need to finish the Bengals now.

Up 11 with 6 to go and they piss it away with their stall offense and again lose to the Bengals on a buzzer beating shot. Telfair fadeaway jumper at the buzzer and the Cats lose by 1 :thumbdown:
 
STGWildcat said:
These are some of the worst refs I've seen in awhile, mind you I've only seen the second half of the second half. So many ticky-tack (and beyond) fouls called on Weber in the final minutes. And Hill drew a charge on an and-1, and Hill was called for the foul.

I thought Hill was in the restricted area. Too many turnovers, many on mindless passes.
 
Evans is a very good defensive coach. He was good at SUU and I thought really helped out Tinkle at Montana while he was there. ISU did a great job in neutralizing Bolomboy throughout the game. We struggle with zones and ISU mixed things up defensively and hung in there. When they started coming back at the end you just had a feeling. I don't like how we get out of sync by holding the ball to play the clock. Doesn't seem to suit us well and we seemed a little frantic but they kept their cool...
 
I thought ISU played an excellent game. Great defensive effort and Telfair is something special. I'm glad he will be there for another year. Weber probably should have won, but ISU definitely deserved to win.

I do want to ask those at the game, both Wildcat and Bengal fans alike, if the calls in calls in the last minute and a half that Telfair was getting were as ticky tack as I felt they were. Granted, I am watching on a computer from several thousand miles away which helps with some call but not with others. Thoughts?

Finally, I have to say that I was happy for ISU in getting this win. Obviously I would have much rather preferred Weber had won, but it was great to see an excited crowd get to see their program that has struggled as of late get a big exciting win. i do; however, hope ISU will soon improve enough that I will hate losing to them them as much as I do to Montana.

Congrats Bengals.
 
SWWeatherCat said:
STGWildcat said:
These are some of the worst refs I've seen in awhile, mind you I've only seen the second half of the second half. So many ticky-tack (and beyond) fouls called on Weber in the final minutes. And Hill drew a charge on an and-1, and Hill was called for the foul.

I thought Hill was in the restricted area. Too many turnovers, many on mindless passes.

He could have been. On a crappy vine video, I saw his heels were on the line. As for the ticky-tack foul calls, it's really a problem in all of NCAA basketball. Hand checking needs to be allowed.

But yes, despite anything the refs did, Weber State needs a ball handler or someone to coach them to break a press. I was taught how to break those things in Jr. Jazz. They usually get it up the floor with their repetitive cross court passes with two guards, but it's painful to watch and can't instill too much confidence in the team.
 
Yes!! I'm a snob! Thankfully, we've had leaders with vision and forethought who planned well and executed their dreams. Yes, I applaud each schools efforts to improve their facilities and realize that Sac, UNCO, PSU haven't really had many opportunities to improve upon what they have and I hope that their visions can be realized. That would be great for them and their communities.

As for ISU...lets have a history lesson. First, the Dee was quite the venture when it was built and took a lot of sacrifice, work, support and administrative efforts. The resources used to build that facility were substantial for 1970s dollars on par with what it would take to build one like it today. Now the lesson...ISU did have community support, funds, and resources. They elected to build an indoor dome instead of a basketball facility. We kept our football outdoors. They didn't. At the time it was a nice facility one of progress. At least it shows ISU in a better light than going backwards and playing in a terrible facility that is worse than local high schools. But they did have the opportunity to build a basketball facility and keep their outdoor stadium for football. They had the chance and they used it on a Dome. Idaho and NAU both have improved their facilities that are domes and once again, if they can then why not ISU? They will and that is where the funds are headed. Football is driving college athletics not basketball. I hate to break this to Bengal fans, any funds available will be used toward the Holt. Also, yes Boise, Jeff has two but not the most important key to the building piece, those two make up 1 of the original 2 needed, but he also needs to get government, community, student, and administrative support that he doesn't have. I know this and you do to. That money is going to be used for the dome first, as it should. You don't build something new that isn't the revenue generator while your original facility needs those funds more.

As for you apologists on here, with friends like you, who needs enemies. Wow...you bow down to opposing fans so quick without thinking and just agree. ISU has had the same chances as Weber, but they made different desicions. Now, there isn't the money/support available. Simplot won't give to basketball but to the Dome (boise that's one of the two). I'm happy for PSU and the work done to get the Stott done but that has taken a lot of coordination and support. Portland has a lot more money than Poky. And it barely happened.

Okay, so the game. Refs were fine till the last 5. A team trying to get back in the game spent a lot of time on the foul line. Lots of ticky tack fouls on one side and nothing on the other. Telfir is good and I like his game but he got away with two offensive fouls, a charge and a hook and got 5 points from them. Life on the road. No matter our team leader needs to make foul shots. That's the difference. Senglin misses a freebie. He makes a fall away three that he was fouled on but can't make the front end of a one and one. This is the second time we've lost because he misses freebies at the end. There's the loss right there.
 
The dome was built with student-supported funds, although I'm not sure that they'd be willing to vote for a bond to fund improvements this time around. For a long time their strategy was that they'd make improvements to the dome first, because they could play basketball in the dome for as long as they had to until they had their own basketball facility. Our needs are many, and we need multi millions for various things, just like most Big Sky schools do.

But no, my source -- who's definitely in the know -- said that they've got a couple commitments already for a new gym to be tentatively located on the north side of the dome. I don't know if Simplot is one of the lead donors -- he wouldn't tell me. And ISU is definitely looking for some more funding before they would be able to see this concept into fruition, however we can get it. Concerning athletics, we have to be able to pay cash for things before they'd be able to be build. Whereas on the academic side of things, this isn't necessarily the case. Because we have a brand new $34 million performing arts center in which we still owe at least $8 million or so on this.
 
boisebengal said:
The dome was built with student-supported funds, although I'm not sure that they'd be willing to vote for a bond to fund improvements this time around. For a long time their strategy was that they'd make improvements to the dome first, because they could play basketball in the dome for as long as they had to until they had their own basketball facility. Our needs are many, and we need multi millions for various things, just like most Big Sky schools do.

But no, my source -- who's definitely in the know -- said that they've got a couple commitments already for a new gym to be tentatively located on the north side of the dome. I don't know if Simplot is one of the lead donors -- he wouldn't tell me. And ISU is definitely looking for some more funding before they would be able to see this concept into fruition, however we can get it. Concerning athletics, we have to be able to pay cash for things before they'd be able to be build. Whereas on the academic side of things, this isn't necessarily the case. Because we have a brand new $34 million performing arts center in which we still owe at least $8 million or so on this.

That would great for you guys! I'd be so happy if that were to work out for ISU. Jeff puts in the hours! He is a decent AD and good guy.

But the issues are varied. One major issue for Big Sky Schools that don't afflict major state schools like Utah or Boise is once a facility is built, tax payers have to provide funding to maintain and to keep the doors open. That's money most state legislatures won't give to Weber or Idaho State but will for the Utahs of the world. Utah builds a 15M basketball practice facility with donor and PAC12 monies but the tax payers are left to foot the maintainance, utility, etc bills. Is it open to the citizens? No...but we pay to keep the doors open. That is one of the major issue for athletic programs on our level. Weber will be in a position to have a like facility in the not to far future but we won't get any state assistance like the Utes. That's why I'm all in favor of taxing P5 programs. They are totally for profit and virtually separate from university the represent. Academic bldgs are utilized by citizens, the state, and for learning, hence why states pay the "extra" costs.

As for academics...that is why universities exist. Without education there wouldn't be sports. That is a great facility for the performing arts though.
 

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