ISU Part Two

[sasquatch]

I think it is really pathetic that ISU even uses that gym. Does ISU want to be seen as a DI institution or as a high school? The LOLT isn't perfect, but it is way better than the Stott, Butt-Hancock, and Nest. It is a real stadium, yet, ISU would rather portray themselves as being on par with local high schools. Just dumb... I was thinking of going till I saw the Reed being the venue. No thank you. What a terrible facility to watch basketball. Last time I was there, I was accosted by ISU's past AD (Jeff wouldn't dare, he'd get his rear side kicked :rofl: ).

Last game I attended in Reed, I thought I was going to pass out. It was hot, stagnant. Also couldn't find a parking spot.

Not too impressed with Jeff, if I'm being honest. I follow every conference AD on Twitter, and Jeff is the only one who posts a lot of random non-ISU stuff. He posts a lot about the San Antonio Spurs (pretty sure ISU doesn't have a player on there) and religious/LDS stuff. Jerry posts about Weber and anything having to do with Weber. So do most of the other AD's. I don't know, it just shows me who is serious about his school and who isn't.

 

[votb]

The move to Reed Gym for this game was not a choice by the AD. The U. of I. and a regional promoter combine for the annual Potato School/Ag Show every year at Holt Arena. This is that weekend. Basketball also has to move out for the annual Simplot Track and Field Games, which bring over 2500 high school athletes from around the world every February. Until Jeff can acquire funding for a new basketball arena, men's hoops has to share space in a multiple-purpose venue.

See ya' tomorrow! :twisted:

 

[Webergrad02]

I hope the weather holds up and we can get some good support there. Breaking a 40 year old record is not something that happens often. With how basketball has changed, Joels career rebounding record might last forever. Reed Gym will just make our potato chants louder!

I find it very interesting that Evans took such a big chance on Telfair. It looks at this point like it may have saved his job. I am not sure that they would have any wins without him. He is really quick and skilled. We just need to take it to them inside.

 

[oldrunner]

I hope the weather holds up and we can get some good support there. Breaking a 40 year old record is not something that happens often. With how basketball has changed, Joels career rebounding record might last forever. Reed Gym will just make our potato chants louder!

I find it very interesting that Evans took such a big chance on Telfair. It looks at this point like it may have saved his job. I am not sure that they would have any wins without him. He is really quick and skilled. We just need to take it to them inside.

Yes, ISU has some good perimeter players. They have some guys who can shoot and score. If they can hit a bunch of outside shots, they have a chance, slim, but a chance. The big difference is that we can guard them and they can't guard us. They try to play fast, but that is usually not a good tactic against us. Even though we won by 20 points, ISU went to the offensive glass a lot and we hardly ever made them pay for it in transition. I'd like to see that change this game. I'm not sure that the floor in Reid Gym is regulation and that could change the transition game quite a bit. Also, look for Jeremy to have a sensational night. He has a history of going off in games like this.

 

[Skippy]

I hope the weather holds up and we can get some good support there. Breaking a 40 year old record is not something that happens often. With how basketball has changed, Joels career rebounding record might last forever. Reed Gym will just make our potato chants louder!

I find it very interesting that Evans took such a big chance on Telfair. It looks at this point like it may have saved his job. I am not sure that they would have any wins without him. He is really quick and skilled. We just need to take it to them inside.

Yes, ISU has some good perimeter players. They have some guys who can shoot and score. If they can hit a bunch of outside shots, they have a chance, slim, but a chance. The big difference is that we can guard them and they can't guard us. They try to play fast, but that is usually not a good tactic against us. Even though we won by 20 points, ISU went to the offensive glass a lot and we hardly ever made them pay for it in transition. I'd like to see that change this game. I'm not sure that the floor in Reid Gym is regulation and that could change the transition game quite a bit. Also, look for Jeremy to have a sensational night. He has a history of going off in games like this.

Of course the floor in Reed Gym is regulation. The ISU women play all their games there and the men play all their preseason games there. A new floor was installed just a couple of years ago, courtesy of a local credit union. Really folks, there is nothing wrong with playing in Reed. It is very similar to most of the facilities in the Big Sky and Big West.

 

[weberwildcat]

I hope the weather holds up and we can get some good support there. Breaking a 40 year old record is not something that happens often. With how basketball has changed, Joels career rebounding record might last forever. Reed Gym will just make our potato chants louder!

I find it very interesting that Evans took such a big chance on Telfair. It looks at this point like it may have saved his job. I am not sure that they would have any wins without him. He is really quick and skilled. We just need to take it to them inside.

Yes, ISU has some good perimeter players. They have some guys who can shoot and score. If they can hit a bunch of outside shots, they have a chance, slim, but a chance. The big difference is that we can guard them and they can't guard us. They try to play fast, but that is usually not a good tactic against us. Even though we won by 20 points, ISU went to the offensive glass a lot and we hardly ever made them pay for it in transition. I'd like to see that change this game. I'm not sure that the floor in Reid Gym is regulation and that could change the transition game quite a bit. Also, look for Jeremy to have a sensational night. He has a history of going off in games like this.

Of course the floor in Reed Gym is regulation. The ISU women play all their games there and the men play all their preseason games there. A new floor was installed just a couple of years ago, courtesy of a local credit union. Really folks, there is nothing wrong with playing in Reed. It is very similar to most of the facilities in the Big Sky and Big West.

ok lets bring a tape measure to the game just to confirm. :lol:
my good friend bubb will grant us floor access.

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[n.ogdencat]

I hope the weather holds up and we can get some good support there. Breaking a 40 year old record is not something that happens often. With how basketball has changed, Joels career rebounding record might last forever. Reed Gym will just make our potato chants louder!

I find it very interesting that Evans took such a big chance on Telfair. It looks at this point like it may have saved his job. I am not sure that they would have any wins without him. He is really quick and skilled. We just need to take it to them inside.

Yes, ISU has some good perimeter players. They have some guys who can shoot and score. If they can hit a bunch of outside shots, they have a chance, slim, but a chance. The big difference is that we can guard them and they can't guard us. They try to play fast, but that is usually not a good tactic against us. Even though we won by 20 points, ISU went to the offensive glass a lot and we hardly ever made them pay for it in transition. I'd like to see that change this game. I'm not sure that the floor in Reid Gym is regulation and that could change the transition game quite a bit. Also, look for Jeremy to have a sensational night. He has a history of going off in games like this.

Of course the floor in Reed Gym is regulation. The ISU women play all their games there and the men play all their preseason games there. A new floor was installed just a couple of years ago, courtesy of a local credit union. Really folks, there is nothing wrong with playing in Reed. It is very similar to most of the facilities in the Big Sky and Big West.

Thats the problem Bengal...it is the same as facilities that we DON'T want to be like. Those facilities are embarrassing at best and now, the Bengals, who have more honor than SAC and PSU combined, wants to be like them? Uh?? That is the problem here. ISU has a better set up that actually makes it look like a DI school, instead, they are hosting their rivals in a high school gym that looks and feels like the old gym at Ogden High School. Even Ogden High has improved their 70+ year old facility. Here is the issue, do you want to be a DI school or not? Act like it if so. If not, give up and be a DII or NAIA School. The College of Idaho needs a rival.

 

[oldrunner]

I'll take your word for it right now. I'll call you out on it if I get there and it looks like a tennis court.

Can a layup be made without running into a wall? Can you stand at the top of the 3 point arc without being called for back court? Does the 3 point arc join the sideline? Is it permanently marked for men's games, or will there just be tape on the floor? Are there a million other lines on the floor for all the intramurals played there? Will a player, inbounding from the sideline, have somebody's face in their butt? Will the officials be tripping over fans? (That would be funny.) If a cheer leader is open, and hits the bucket, will it count? :yikes:

 

[Skippy]

I hope the weather holds up and we can get some good support there. Breaking a 40 year old record is not something that happens often. With how basketball has changed, Joels career rebounding record might last forever. Reed Gym will just make our potato chants louder!

I find it very interesting that Evans took such a big chance on Telfair. It looks at this point like it may have saved his job. I am not sure that they would have any wins without him. He is really quick and skilled. We just need to take it to them inside.

Yes, ISU has some good perimeter players. They have some guys who can shoot and score. If they can hit a bunch of outside shots, they have a chance, slim, but a chance. The big difference is that we can guard them and they can't guard us. They try to play fast, but that is usually not a good tactic against us. Even though we won by 20 points, ISU went to the offensive glass a lot and we hardly ever made them pay for it in transition. I'd like to see that change this game. I'm not sure that the floor in Reid Gym is regulation and that could change the transition game quite a bit. Also, look for Jeremy to have a sensational night. He has a history of going off in games like this.

Of course the floor in Reed Gym is regulation. The ISU women play all their games there and the men play all their preseason games there. A new floor was installed just a couple of years ago, courtesy of a local credit union. Really folks, there is nothing wrong with playing in Reed. It is very similar to most of the facilities in the Big Sky and Big West.

Thats the problem Bengal...it is the same as facilities that we DON'T want to be like. Those facilities are embarrassing at best and now, the Bengals, who have more honor than SAC and PSU combined, wants to be like them? Uh?? That is the problem here. ISU has a better set up that actually makes it look like a DI school, instead, they are hosting their rivals in a high school gym that looks and feels like the old gym at Ogden High School. Even Ogden High has improved their 70+ year old facility. Here is the issue, do you want to be a DI school or not? Act like it if so. If not, give up and be a DII or NAIA School. The College of Idaho needs a rival.

Feel free to address that $25 million check to Jeff Tingey, Tal, that will go a long way toward solving the problem. In the mean time, there are several aspects of this situation you are ignoring: 1) the dome is not owned by the athletic department, but rather the students, who paid to build it. It is managed to generate enough revenue to keep the lights on and the water running, thus they book money-making events like the Ag Show every year to pay the bills. 2) Reed is very similar to most of the gyms in the Big West, which is a higher ranked conference than the Big Sky. It is certainly equal to, or better than the current Stott Center, the The Hornets Nest, and UNC's arena. It will serve the purpose of hosting the Weber-ISU game just fine; 3) I would argue -- strongly, that Reed is a better environment for basketball than Holt. ISU is averaging about 1500 fans a game. They get lost in the cavernous dome, which is cold and dark. The south side facilities are completely closed and torn up due to restoration.

In short, Tal, playing this game in Reed makes sense, and until ISU finds a couple of million dollar donors (and Jeff is working on that) ISU will be playing a half dozen games in Reed for the forseeable future. It's not ideal, but nothing about trying to run a Division 1 program in Pocatello, Idaho is ideal.

 

[weberwildcat]

I'll take your word for it right now. I'll call you out on it if I get there and it looks like a tennis court.

Can a layup be made without running into a wall? Can you stand at the top of the 3 point arc without being called for back court? Does the 3 point arc join the sideline? Is it permanently marked for men's games, or will there just be tape on the floor? Are there a million other lines on the floor for all the intramurals played there? Will a player, inbounding from the sideline, have somebody's face in their butt? Will the officials be tripping over fans? (That would be funny.) If a cheer leader is open, and hits the bucket, will it count? :yikes:

:rofl:

i dont remember the last time this board made me literally LOL

 

[weberwildcat]

Bengal visitor does have a point. I have been to games at St. Mary's College and it is equal to Reed. Reed would be a dream replacement for the hornets nest.

 

[Webergrad02]

Bengal visitor does have a point. I have been to games at St. Mary's College and it is equal to Reed. Reed would be a dream replacement for the hornets nest.

What is interesting about St Marys, is they have the funds to build a great facility. It might mean that they have to play a few non-conference road games. I can't think about St Marys gym. The thought of Rick Majerus taking a dump at center court during shoot around has scared me for life.

I am not as worried about Reed other than will there be enough seating for one of the biggest crowds that ISU gets all year. I have many memories of games at ISU. The game in the early to mid 80s when the Weber fans got a police escort out of the building for fear of fights. In 86 or 87 there was a bomb threat at the hotel the Wildcat Club was staying at. I remember us all standing in the parking lot at 2 AM.

 

[WILDCAT]

We started out in a gym to, we should just consider ourselves lucky we were able to get the Dee.

 

[oldrunner]

It's not ideal, but nothing about trying to run a Division 1 program in Pocatello, Idaho is ideal.

I like to point to what they have done in Cedar City, at SUU. They are one of the smallest communities, smallest student bodies, and least resources of an school in the BSC. However, they have very nice facilities. They should be an example of what to do and how to do it. If they can do it with their limited resources, there is absolutely no reason that it can't be done in any other BSC community. Everyone likes to talk about money and to me that is secondary. What you really need is leadership and gumption. It seems like everyone likes to define the problem and talk about what someone else should do. If you want something done, you must start.:twocents:

 

[Skippy]

It's not ideal, but nothing about trying to run a Division 1 program in Pocatello, Idaho is ideal.

I like to point to what they have done in Cedar City, at SUU. They are one of the smallest communities, smallest student bodies, and least resources of an school in the BSC. However, they have very nice facilities. They should be an example of what to do and how to do it. If they can do it with their limited resources, there is absolutely no reason that it can't be done in any other BSC community. Everyone likes to talk about money and to me that is secondary. What you really need is leadership and gumption. It seems like everyone likes to define the problem and talk about what someone else should do. If you want something done, you must start.:twocents:

And ISU is doing that, Olds, by trying to identify lead donors. Jeff was quoted last summer as saying he had two good prospects. Recently I've been told one of those prospects has backed out. So the process continues.

 

[sacstateman]

I hope the weather holds up and we can get some good support there. Breaking a 40 year old record is not something that happens often. With how basketball has changed, Joels career rebounding record might last forever. Reed Gym will just make our potato chants louder!

I find it very interesting that Evans took such a big chance on Telfair. It looks at this point like it may have saved his job. I am not sure that they would have any wins without him. He is really quick and skilled. We just need to take it to them inside.

Yes, ISU has some good perimeter players. They have some guys who can shoot and score. If they can hit a bunch of outside shots, they have a chance, slim, but a chance. The big difference is that we can guard them and they can't guard us. They try to play fast, but that is usually not a good tactic against us. Even though we won by 20 points, ISU went to the offensive glass a lot and we hardly ever made them pay for it in transition. I'd like to see that change this game. I'm not sure that the floor in Reid Gym is regulation and that could change the transition game quite a bit. Also, look for Jeremy to have a sensational night. He has a history of going off in games like this.

Of course the floor in Reed Gym is regulation. The ISU women play all their games there and the men play all their preseason games there. A new floor was installed just a couple of years ago, courtesy of a local credit union. Really folks, there is nothing wrong with playing in Reed. It is very similar to most of the facilities in the Big Sky and Big West.

Thats the problem Bengal...it is the same as facilities that we DON'T want to be like. Those facilities are embarrassing at best and now, the Bengals, who have more honor than SAC and PSU combined, wants to be like them? Uh?? That is the problem here. ISU has a better set up that actually makes it look like a DI school, instead, they are hosting their rivals in a high school gym that looks and feels like the old gym at Ogden High School. Even Ogden High has improved their 70+ year old facility. Here is the issue, do you want to be a DI school or not? Act like it if so. If not, give up and be a DII or NAIA School. The College of Idaho needs a rival.

Tal, Tal, Tal....you sound like you were a major contributor to the funding of the Dee, but no, you weren't even conceived when the Dee was built....yes, I have been to the Dee and it is an excellent facility that any other school would be proud to play in but to say we have no "honor" is not really relevant to the argument of having or not having facilities up to your standards...but please don't forget our address when you are sending that check to ISU for facilities upgrades...we welcome your participation as well....We sponsor 19 sports (Weber sponsors 14) so our dollars are spread thinner and to construct a building in California (especially a publicly owned building) is probably twice or more costly than in Utah, Idaho, or most other BSC locals...But we are still trying to meet your standards Tal...will be waiting for your check, Thank You in advance....

 

[Webergrad02]

Can you imagine trying to get the DEE built today. It is real easy to be a critic of the have nots when you are one of the haves. Hasn't the UofU taught us anything.

 

[sacstateman]

We started out in a gym to, we should just consider ourselves lucky we were able to get the Dee.

I'm very happy to see you seem to have some sense of how hard it was (and still is) to fund a project like this...your building is truly a gem...I go to many games at Cal Berkeley and their "Haas" pavilion is much newer than the Dee but is nowhere near as nice a building as you guys have...A bit of humility from some people who inherited the "Dee" wouldn't seem to be too much to ask, would it??

 

[sacstateman]

Can you imagine trying to get the DEE built today. It is real easy to be a critic of the have nots when you are one of the haves. Hasn't the UofU taught us anything.

Thank You webergrad02....we are trying, but it is a tough row to hoe....

 

[oldrunner]

I was around when the Dee Center was funded and built. I can tell you that it was a whole community effort. Yes the Dee family stepped in with a large donation, hence the name, but there were thousands of smaller donations, and thousands more small fund raisers that went on. I don't have the exact percentages, but I do know that it took many years of hard work, planning and fund raising. I seem to remember the Dee family wanting to see a substantial community involvement before they would get involved.

To those of you who want to do something like it, I would say.

1) Have a plan.
2) Open a dedicated account.
3) Set goals and share them with your community.
4) Share your progress regularly.
5) Don't stop for anything.
6) When someone tells you NO, refer back to 5.
7) When a 'BIG' donor doesn't step forward, refer back to 5.
8) When the regents or the state legislature balks, refer back to 5.
9) When everyone seems to be saying it is too hard and can't be done, refer back to 5.

Any questions? :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: