i dont think you get the football landscape in wyoming, their football team is competitive something that cannot be said for the few years before glenn got their, the fans love him, they sell out their games and they have been in contended for a bowl the last few years, including a win over ucla in the vagas bowl, you dont have to make/win a bowl game every year to keep your job there. and you cant use his record at wyoming to judge his success he started with very little and i dont know if you have ever been to wyoming but its not an easy place to recruit to even without considering recent history of the team before glenn got there. his job seems safe
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PSUVikings
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bearsfan said:
War memorial stadium seats 30 K, Wyoming has not sold out at all, in fact they are on warning by the NCAA for attendance being to low, 17K a game if I'm right.
You are right, i was wrong about the number of people war memorial seats but attendence has increased 6000-7000 a game more people since glenn has arived and have been around 20,000 the last 2 years. Ive been to a couple games and its hard to believe there are 10,000 extra seats there but i sapose.
PSUVikings
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bearsfan said:
Last years worst was 14K at the San Diego State game, 14K is not allowed at the FBS level, hence why UW is on warning.
If Glenn does not win more then 6 games this year, he will be fired. Simple as that.
NowherePoke
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PSUVikings said:
UW is not on warning from the NCAA. Never has been. The NCAA attendance criteria for D1-FBS is to AVERAGE 15k for the season. Wyoming averaged 20k and 19k the last two years. Nothing to brag about by any means, but not in warning territory either. There are at least 25 other D1-FBS schools with lower attendance than Wyoming.
Most of the other inaccuracies that you posted in the beginning of the thread (length of Glenn's tenure, record, etc.) have been cleared up already so I won't go into that, but I would say it is obvious that you aren't very familiar with the UW Football program (nor would I expect you to be, I am sure we don't get a lot of media coverage in Portland!).
Barring a monumental collapse this year I think Glenn's job is safe till at least the end of the 2008 season. There will be some fans calling for his head if the Pokes don't win at least 6 games, but that's the nature of the business. A couple of things to keep in mind about Joe Glenn and his job security:
1. This year's team will start very few seniors and most observers (myself included) believe that the 2008 team will be better than this year's addition. I will be severely disappointed with anything less than 6 wins, but if the team goes 5-7 I won't be calling for Glenn's head and neither will the administration. It's my opinion that it won't be an issue as the Pokes will win 6 or 7 games and finish around 4th or 5th in the MWC. That's pretty much what most of the preseason mags are predicting for the Pokes as well.
2. It's hard to accurately describe just how bad the program was when Glenn took over. You posted the records of the recent coaches and you can see just how out of whack the Koenning years were with the normal performance of the program. The result was that Glenn took over a program which had very little talent (and was only using about 70 of the 85 scholarships alloted due to attrition and poor recruiting decisions) and had little support from the fanbase. Glenn rapidly brought the program back to respectability on the field and the program has improved in leaps and bounds off the field as well in terms of academics and other factors. The result has been a marked increase in support, not just in game attendance but in $$$$, specifically membership in the highest levels of the Cowboy Joe Club (UW Booster program). Glenn's personality and the renewed optimism around the program have been important factors in that growth.
3. Building on number 2, Glenn is an incredibly enthusiastic individual whom the fanbase really responds to (a little cheesy for me at times, but it works). His enthusiasm and the apparent positive trajectory of the program under his tenure have been helpful (although there are many other factors) in UW raising over $40 million dollars from private and public sources to make much needed improvements to FB facilities (New Turf, New IPF, Luxury Boxes, Stadium Renovations, etc.)
4. Last year, UW finished 3rd in the MWC. While it isn't exactly what we aspire to, 3rd place doesn't get you on the hotseat.
5. Recruiting - Glenn has slowly improved recruiting. When he took over, UW landed very few recruits with other D-1A offers. Now, UW is beating out some BCS schools for recruits (K-State, Okie St., etc.) and for the first time since the 90's is outrecruiting CSU. That is key as there is a ton of overlap in the two schools recruiting pools. The net result is that the talent level of the program continues to rise.
6. UW just fired its Men's BB coach (Steve McClain) and to do so, they had to buyout his contract for a fairly hefty sum. The department budget is really not set up to buy out the two largest contracts it has within the same year. The only way UW could afford to buy out Joe Glenn is if some boosters stepped up with the cash to do so. I just don't see that happening unless the upcoming season is a total disaster (and of course, I don't see that happening!)
That's not to say that there aren't some fans who are unhappy with the progress and want to see the team win more and do it right away. However, in the big picture there is a lot of reason to believe that Glenn is doing the right things for the program and that he will be retained for quite a while.
uncfootballrules
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Well said.
jars
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Great post on Wyoming Football and Joe Glenn. Nobody in this program needs to be reminded of what they once had in Greeley.
One point missed all together though is on the parting comment, retaining Glenn for a long time. That has not happened in Laramie since the Lloyd Eaton era. You either become very successful and get hired away, or you do not become successful and you are fired.
UW is either a stepping stone or a dead end for coaches, there is no in between. Cowboy football in Wyoming is as close to professional athletics as any program in the country. More than 90% of the players are from out of state, so all emphasis is upon winning all the time.
They will never play for a National Championship at the level they compete in.
One point missed all together though is on the parting comment, retaining Glenn for a long time. That has not happened in Laramie since the Lloyd Eaton era. You either become very successful and get hired away, or you do not become successful and you are fired.
UW is either a stepping stone or a dead end for coaches, there is no in between. Cowboy football in Wyoming is as close to professional athletics as any program in the country. More than 90% of the players are from out of state, so all emphasis is upon winning all the time.
They will never play for a National Championship at the level they compete in.
Phineas J. Whoopee
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Jars, who was the coach at UNC in your era?
Joe is not on any verge of getting fired. He is pretty much a God in Laramie and is doing an incredible job with what he has to deal with.
DO you understand how hard it is to recruit kids to Wyoming? Who in their right mind would want to go there unless you really had ties to the state. It is frickin cold as hell in the winters and there really is much to do there.
Joe loves it in Wyoming and now with his son on the Athletic staff, he is loving it even more.
DO you understand how hard it is to recruit kids to Wyoming? Who in their right mind would want to go there unless you really had ties to the state. It is frickin cold as hell in the winters and there really is much to do there.
Joe loves it in Wyoming and now with his son on the Athletic staff, he is loving it even more.
jars
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chris said:
Yes, I agree with what you are saying here Chris, but the Brown and Gold club is unaware just how crappy it is in Laramie. They will fire Joe if he does not consistently win up there, and at least challenge for Mountain West title in next few years. Those guys think they will someday win a national championship at Wyoming.
Say he does win a MWC championship, he will be on the next train out of there with more $$$$$ and a better climate on the table.
NowherePoke
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jars said:
1. I don't think anybody expects national championships at UW.
2. Contending for a MWC title occasionally is a very reasonable expectation. Roach, Tiller, even Dimel contended and/or won conference titles (still the WAC for most of them, but same teams), so I don't think it is an unreasonable expectation. Glenn is doing a lot of good things in Laramie and he will have plenty of time to build.
3. If Glenn does win a title and gets a job offer at a BCS school, I am sure he will move on. But how is that different from any other school. Joe upgraded from UNC to Montana, and then again from Montana to Wyoming. Other coaches leave MWC/WAC level schools to join the big conferences all the time (Meyer, Hawkins, Franchione, Tiller, etc.). That's just the nature of the business in coaching at all levels. Sonny Lubick is the exception, not the norm, in the coaching business. Even the very top schools risk losing their coaches to the pro ranks (Petrino, Saban, etc.). It's hardly unique to the coaching profession either. If you had a chance to accept a position with a new organization making double your current salary, would you turn it down? Most people would gladly accept it, so its hard to blame coaches for doing the same.
