Montana vs EWU

[Sylvergunsuperman]

Hmm, I'm not certain you should be rooting for PSU. You want Sac to finish in front of NAU, otherwise you lose the tie break to Montana.

I heard our best scenario would be to finish in a 2 way tie with Montana. We would hold the Tie breaker due to the fact that our record against Sac State is better. Still confusing.

 

[ClarkWGrizwald]

Hmm, I'm not certain you should be rooting for PSU. You want Sac to finish in front of NAU, otherwise you lose the tie break to Montana.

I heard our best scenario would be to finish in a 2 way tie with Montana. We would hold the Tie breaker due to the fact that our record against Sac State is better. Still confusing.

Correct. But only if Sac finishes ahead of NAU. Montana holds the tie break if NAU finishes third. That's why I;m not sure if I were an Eastern fan I'd be rooting for PSU today.

 

[Sylvergunsuperman]

Hmm, I'm not certain you should be rooting for PSU. You want Sac to finish in front of NAU, otherwise you lose the tie break to Montana.

I heard our best scenario would be to finish in a 2 way tie with Montana. We would hold the Tie breaker due to the fact that our record against Sac State is better. Still confusing.

Correct. But only if Sac finishes ahead of NAU. Montana holds the tie break if NAU finishes third. That's why I;m not sure if I were an Eastern fan I'd be rooting for PSU today.

Ahh....I see. Well I'll root for PSU and NCU then.

 

[grizfnz]

I watched the game online today and was amazed at the shot selection from Harvey. Does he always shoot off balance fade away 3's from 22+ feet away? He put up one towards the end of the game that had to have been more than a 25 footer when there was plenty of time left to get a much better shot.

 

[Sylvergunsuperman]

I watched the game online today and was amazed at the shot selection from Harvey. Does he always shoot off balance fade away 3's from 22+ feet away? He put up one towards the end of the game that had to have been more than a 25 footer when there was plenty of time left to get a much better shot.

Yes, he has that freedom. Hayford has talked to him recently about shot selection. He has been a little off since coming back from his injury. Should be spot on come tourney time. It can be frustrating at times.....and so rewarding too. I just expect them all to go in. LOL.

 

[ClarkWGrizwald]

I watched the game online today and was amazed at the shot selection from Harvey. Does he always shoot off balance fade away 3's from 22+ feet away? He put up one towards the end of the game that had to have been more than a 25 footer when there was plenty of time left to get a much better shot.

Yes, he has that freedom. Hayford has talked to him recently about shot selection. He has been a little off since coming back from his injury. Should be spot on come tourney time. It can be frustrating at times.....and so rewarding too. I just expect them all to go in. LOL.

He's a great player.

 

[GoldenEagle]

I watched the game online today and was amazed at the shot selection from Harvey. Does he always shoot off balance fade away 3's from 22+ feet away? He put up one towards the end of the game that had to have been more than a 25 footer when there was plenty of time left to get a much better shot.

Yes, he has that freedom. Hayford has talked to him recently about shot selection. He has been a little off since coming back from his injury. Should be spot on come tourney time. It can be frustrating at times.....and so rewarding too. I just expect them all to go in. LOL.

I agree, he is forcing shots recently. I think it was important today for the EAGS to pound the ball into Jois and force Breunig to defend the rim. Get Breunig 3 fouls by half. Three point attempts at 25' with 25 seconds left on the shot clock is not running the offense effectively. Half the time we do not have people even set to get offensive rebounds when shots go up so quickly. It works if you are shooting 3's at 50%, but that is not happening now.

Tyler Harvey is a great scorer, but can also kill offensive continuity at times. When Drew Brandon is running the point, it is my opinion that Harvey needs to give up the dribble and move without the ball for his best shots, not dribble, fade shots from 25+. Just my opinion.

We are OK. Still in the thick of it regardless if we host the tourney.

 

[ClarkWGrizwald]

NAU loses.

 

[GoldenEagle]

NAU loses.

I think the BSC tourney could be full of surprises based on how the season is ending.

 

[ClarkWGrizwald]

NAU loses.

I think the BSC tourney could be full of surprises based on how the season is ending.

Wide open, I would agree.

 

[DefendtheRed]

Instead, Montana got to stand at their bench and watch the Trail of Tears.

Kind of like your football team the last four games.

 

[DefendtheRed]

It's hard for me to believe that we couldn't have put up a better performance that this with the entire season on the line and almost 5,000 people in the stands. The FT shooting was shockingly abysmal and I won't even go into the last play.

If we can somehow miraculously get by Sac State and Montana in the tournament, does anyone really think this team has what it takes to do anything in the NCAA's when we're losing to weak teams on our own home court?

 

[sacstateman]

It's hard for me to believe that we couldn't have put up a better performance that this with the entire season on the line and almost 5,000 people in the stands. The FT shooting was shockingly abysmal and I won't even go into the last play.

If we can somehow miraculously get by Sac State and Montana in the tournament, does anyone really think this team has what it takes to do anything in the NCAA's when we're losing to weak teams on our own home court?

You have a good team but I think that everyone has kind of leaned on that December win over Indiana a bit too long.....You guys aren't the same team any more.....other teams have progressed.....we aren't unbeatable by any stretch but we seem to win the close ones (except for the one against you guys) and that one required a lot of energy to get back in the game, which we couldn't sustain.....the tournament is up for grabs but I like our chances playing and sleeping at home....if we can't hold on to the regular season then I think you or Montana has the edge.....until we find out where the tournament is the questions remain....

 

[GoldenEagle]

It's hard for me to believe that we couldn't have put up a better performance that this with the entire season on the line and almost 5,000 people in the stands. The FT shooting was shockingly abysmal and I won't even go into the last play.

If we can somehow miraculously get by Sac State and Montana in the tournament, does anyone really think this team has what it takes to do anything in the NCAA's when we're losing to weak teams on our own home court?

I don't think it will take a miracle to beat the teams we have already beat this year. The EAGS need to execute their offense better. One weakness we showed yesterday against an aggressive defense like UM was that we relied on dribbling too much and many times our offensive possessions were disrupted because UM aggressively going for the ball. Many times even when we did not turn the ball over, we were disrupted and looked kinda ragged on offense.

 

[LDopaPDX]

I'd disagree somewhat. I thought the team played pretty well yesterday, we just ran into a Montana team that played better. You could certainly point to poor free throws and two total failures on the last two offensive possessions, but on the whole, it was a well played game by both teams and one had to lose.

We probably lost the conference over the two Saturdays prior, when really bad outings cost us wins against Portland State and NAU. Win those two as we should, and a tough close loss to Montana doesn't disrupt our conference title plans.

 

[GoldenEagle]

I'd disagree somewhat. I thought the team played pretty well yesterday, we just ran into a Montana team that played better. You could certainly point to poor free throws and two total failures on the last two offensive possessions, but on the whole, it was a well played game by both teams and one had to lose.

We probably lost the conference over the two Saturdays prior, when really bad outings cost us wins against Portland State and NAU. Win those two as we should, and a tough close loss to Montana doesn't disrupt our conference title plans.

I have watched UM play a lot of games this year. They played to the best of their potential yesterday. I think that was their max performance ceiling yesterday. IMO the EAGS performance yesterday was more of an average performance. The EAGS are just a more talented team and they need to get out of this slump and play to their potential.

 

[ClarkWGrizwald]

I'd disagree somewhat. I thought the team played pretty well yesterday, we just ran into a Montana team that played better. You could certainly point to poor free throws and two total failures on the last two offensive possessions, but on the whole, it was a well played game by both teams and one had to lose.

We probably lost the conference over the two Saturdays prior, when really bad outings cost us wins against Portland State and NAU. Win those two as we should, and a tough close loss to Montana doesn't disrupt our conference title plans.

I have watched UM play a lot of games this year. They played to the best of their potential yesterday. I think that was their max performance ceiling yesterday. IMO the EAGS performance yesterday was more of an average performance. The EAGS are just a more talented team and they need to get out of this slump and play to their potential.

Well, I'm certainly not going to argue with you about what you've "seen". But a team that took both Cal and Boise to double OT on the road probably isn't a slouch, and those games were probably better played by the Griz than yesterday's.

I thought both teams played great basketball yesterday. It's debatable whether the Eags are more talented or not, but for the sake of argument I'll concede that they are. But frankly, what's important is who is playing the better basketball late in the season, and I think you'd have to give that edge to UM.

 

[Rafter_Reese]

I'd disagree somewhat. I thought the team played pretty well yesterday, we just ran into a Montana team that played better. You could certainly point to poor free throws and two total failures on the last two offensive possessions, but on the whole, it was a well played game by both teams and one had to lose.

We probably lost the conference over the two Saturdays prior, when really bad outings cost us wins against Portland State and NAU. Win those two as we should, and a tough close loss to Montana doesn't disrupt our conference title plans.

I have watched UM play a lot of games this year. They played to the best of their potential yesterday. I think that was their max performance ceiling yesterday. IMO the EAGS performance yesterday was more of an average performance. The EAGS are just a more talented team and they need to get out of this slump and play to their potential.

Well, I'm certainly not going to argue with you about what you've "seen". But a team that took both Cal and Boise to double OT on the road probably isn't a slouch, and those games were probably better played by the Griz than yesterday's.

I thought both teams played great basketball yesterday. It's debatable whether the Eags are more talented or not, but for the sake of argument I'll concede that they are. But frankly, what's important is who is playing the better basketball late in the season, and I think you'd have to give that edge to UM.

I would have to agree. It's all about who is hot at the end of the year. The Eags definitely are not playing up to their ceiling right now and I think we all know that. Montana is playing well and they are as dangerous as anyone with Gregory, Gfeller, Dunn and Breunig. So is Sac and NAU, but heck....I could see any of the top 7 teams in the Big Sky making a run in the Big Sky tourney. Take the way Idaho played Montana the other night for example. Idaho is as dangerous as any team in my opinion. They've beat Sac and UM. Northern Colorado could also get hot and on any given night PSU can show up. Man, part of me wants to even say Weber St. could get hot an win the tourney (if they make it :kisswink: ). We will see. No matter who represent our conference I will be rooting for them in the Dance.

From the Rafters....
go eags!

 

[JasonEWU]

I watched the game online today and was amazed at the shot selection from Harvey. Does he always shoot off balance fade away 3's from 22+ feet away? He put up one towards the end of the game that had to have been more than a 25 footer when there was plenty of time left to get a much better shot.

I was at the game. First time watching Harvey play in person, and I was FLOORED at his shot selection. It was pure trash. YES, he does make some, but he hurts the team SO much when he jacks up a 25 foot prayer and misses badly. He had one towards the end of the game that was just a back breaker.

That being said, he is still clearly EWU's best shooter and player. The play call to end the game was one of the most horrific play call I have ever seen. Coming out of a timeout with 7 seconds on the clock. a 20 foot fade away air ball??? That's a shot that should happen if 1 sec is on the clock, not 7. I couldn't believe it. Just utter shock.

I was leaving the game and was actually talking with Vernon Adams and his crew. One of the football players he was with put it best, "That's the worst play call since the Super Bowl disaster"

 

[jimboh]

I disagree to a point, Jason ... It really wasn't a terrible call. Senior who has made big shots all year (think Indiana game) and Montana wasn't expecting him to get the last shot. Obviously they were playing for Harvey to get the last shot. Kelly was wide open. Just missed. I'd take Kelly taking that shot any time. He'll make it most of the time.

I do agree that Harvey's shot selection is awful ... but that's how this team has thrived. They play loose and take some questionable shots. When they go in, we win. When they don't, we lose. It's that simple (fortunately and unfortunately)... That's what you get with a Hayford-coached team...