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Yes, we are rebuilding. That takes awhile. True, we could utilize better playcalling. And we could totally run the ball more. We need to diversify our offense, definitely. There is room for improvement. I think the D played better in the 2nd half; NoCol did not score. We need to play with pride and passion unlike anything ever seen at ISU.

But now more than ever, fan support is needed. What good does it do to kick a team when it's down?!
 
ive been followin the bengals and what i see is that there is to much fire power on the O to put up anything less than 28 a game...The recieving core as a whole is as good as its gonna get from ET, Jaron, Edsel, isaish, and joshua ponciano...we have a bunch of running backs that you can rotate and keep them fresh...varying the play calling will help a lot seem way to predictable out there..seems the running game is always abandon way to early in the game and the conditions of the northern colorado game called for the ball to be ran..
 
Last Spring, after the 2008 recruiting season, many on this board were claiming this recruiting class to be one of the Bengals best. Many went on to claim at least a 5-7 season, maybe even a winning season in 2008. Now, we are most likely going to see another winless effort. What amazes me is other poor programs, such as Norther Colo., and Sac State, have passed us with superior teams in about the same rebuilding time as ours, yet we look worse this year then last. Several have posted that we are young, so it will take time--bs. We are no younger then any other conference team. Others say it may take 4 to 5 years to complete the rebuilding effort; again bs. A 5 year rebuilding effort brings no urgency to the problem. It also means that our talent cupboard was completely bare and that definitely is not the case.

Many claim we have a good offensive line and 3 competent RBs, so why only 1 yard/carry against UNC? Hill throws 4 interceptions and another 4 poorly thrown passes that should have been intercepted, yet we continue to believe all is well at the qb position; no problem because he has another 2 years to get better.

Get my drift people. If we continue to keep our heads in the sand and not face reality we will be saying 5 years from now, 'oh, it really takes 10 years to fully implement a rebuilding effort'. I don't claim to know the problems' sources causing 'Bungle Slop' but I do know there needs to be far more urgency in defining and addressing the issues then what appears to be currently happening.
 
lagneb said:
Last Spring, after the 2008 recruiting season, many on this board were claiming this recruiting class to be one of the Bengals best. Many went on to claim at least a 5-7 season, maybe even a winning season in 2008. Now, we are most likely going to see another winless effort. What amazes me is other poor programs, such as Norther Colo., and Sac State, have passed us with superior teams in about the same rebuilding time as ours, yet we look worse this year then last. Several have posted that we are young, so it will take time--bs. We are no younger then any other conference team. Others say it may take 4 to 5 years to complete the rebuilding effort; again bs. A 5 year rebuilding effort brings no urgency to the problem. It also means that our talent cupboard was completely bare and that definitely is not the case.

Many claim we have a good offensive line and 3 competent RBs, so why only 1 yard/carry against UNC? Hill throws 4 interceptions and another 4 poorly thrown passes that should have been intercepted, yet we continue to believe all is well at the qb position; no problem because he has another 2 years to get better.

Get my drift people. If we continue to keep our heads in the sand and not face reality we will be saying 5 years from now, 'oh, it really takes 10 years to fully implement a rebuilding effort'. I don't claim to know the problems' sources causing 'Bungle Slop' but I do know there needs to be far more urgency in defining and addressing the issues then what appears to be currently happening.
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About the most sense i have heard today. You are spot on. I have more to say but i will start another thread on that later.
 
So what do you want to do, gang? Should Idaho State fire Zamberlin and Co.?

What is acceptable? Quantify it and stand behind it. How long, how many yards and how many points? How many wins. Tell me your recruiting budgets, number of staff and who handles things such as compliance.

Tell me what fan doesn't laud the latest recruits and isn't optimistic at the start of each season?

Tell me your plans and the coach that will make the progress that you want in less than 20 games. Tell me about the three consecutive losing seasons that occurred before Zamberlin got to Pocatello. Tell me that those things did not matter and did not hurt recruiting? Tell me budget cuts don't matter. Tell me that playing 7 road games in your second season is a wonderful opportunity.

Tell me about Northern Colorado's head coach and his one win this season? How long has he been in Greeley. Tell me about the history before him. How can you go from a top rated D-II program to a BSC cellar dweller?

Tell me about Sac State, where are they going to end up and where have they been?

What about Portland State? Why has that all-star staff struggled?

What about EWU? Oops, off the radar after Wulff and company leave for Washington State.

How about Montana State--from Big Sky Contenders to what in year two? Dare I say--they might take some time as well.

Tell me what year McBride is in at Weber State? Tell me about the last two years while you are at it.

Then take a look at this and tell me that Idaho State has a fucking piece of shit QB:

PASSING AVG/GAME Team Cl G Att Cmp Int Pct. Yds TD Avg/G
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1. Matt Nichols... EWU JR 6 276 165 8 59.8 1910 12 318.3
2. Cameron Higgins WSU SO 7 226 153 5 67.7 2121 23 303.0
3. Drew Hubel..... PSU SO 5 213 120 5 56.3 1499 8 299.8
4. Russel Hill.... ISU SO 6 259 161 10 62.2 1685 12 280.8
5. Waggener, Bryan NC JR 5 195 106 6 54.4 1229 10 245.8
6. Cole Bergquist. UM SR 6 151 93 4 61.6 1396 13 232.7
7. Lance Kriesien. NAU SR 6 115 67 1 58.3 982 6 163.7
8. Cody Kempt..... MSU SO 6 133 69 8 51.9 790 5 131.7
9. Michael Herrick NAU SO 5 58 33 1 56.9 422 3 84.4
 
I'm not going to dog on Hill but when your down by 20 and the defense is playing prevent you can expect some passing numbers. The big stat is the W-L stat, here are some others of interest.

SCORING OFFENSE G TD XP 2XP DXP FG Saf Pts Avg
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1. Weber State......... 7 35 29 1 0 5 0 256 36.6
2. Northern Arizona.... 6 24 21 0 1 11 2 204 34.0
3. Montana............. 6 25 21 0 0 5 2 190 31.7
4. Eastern Washington.. 6 24 23 1 0 5 0 184 30.7
5. Montana State....... 6 22 21 0 1 5 2 174 29.0
6. Sacramento State.... 6 21 20 0 0 8 0 170 28.3
7. Portland State...... 6 19 18 0 0 9 0 159 26.5
8. Northern Colorado... 5 15 11 3 0 5 2 126 25.2
9. Idaho State......... 6 18 17 0 0 1 1 130 21.7

SCORING DEFENSE G TD XP 2XP DXP FG Saf Pts Avg
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1. Northern Arizona.... 6 12 9 2 0 6 0 103 17.2
2. Weber State......... 7 19 17 1 0 6 1 153 21.9
3. Montana............. 6 18 17 1 0 6 0 145 24.2
4. Sacramento State.... 6 19 14 0 0 9 1 157 26.2
5. Northern Colorado... 5 20 18 0 1 2 1 148 29.6
6. Montana State....... 6 25 20 1 0 3 0 181 30.2
7. Eastern Washington.. 6 26 24 1 0 8 1 208 34.7
8. Portland State...... 6 28 26 1 0 6 0 214 35.7
9. Idaho State......... 6 31 30 1 0 4 3 236 39.3

TURNOVER MARGIN G Fum Int Tot Fum Int Tot Mar Per/G
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1. Northern Arizona.... 6 7 9 16 5 3 8 +8 1.33
2. Portland State...... 6 10 9 19 7 8 15 +4 0.67
3. Weber State......... 7 7 5 12 3 5 8 +4 0.57
4. Northern Colorado... 5 4 7 11 4 6 10 +1 0.20
5. Sacramento State.... 6 5 4 9 5 3 8 +1 0.17
6. Montana............. 6 3 5 8 6 5 11 -3 -0.50
7. Montana State....... 6 6 5 11 7 9 16 -5 -0.83
Eastern Washington.. 6 4 5 9 6 8 14 -5 -0.83
9. Idaho State......... 6 6 1 7 5 10 15 -8 -1.33

RUSHING OFFENSE G Att Yds Avg TD Yds/G
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1. Northern Arizona.... 6 282 1145 4.1 12 190.8
2. Montana State....... 6 246 975 4.0 13 162.5
3. Sacramento State.... 6 261 931 3.6 9 155.2
4. Montana............. 6 239 802 3.4 8 133.7
5. Northern Colorado... 5 166 655 3.9 4 131.0
6. Eastern Washington.. 6 147 615 4.2 10 102.5
7. Weber State......... 7 220 717 3.3 10 102.4
8. Idaho State......... 6 181 460 2.5 6 76.7
9. Portland State...... 6 94 94 1.0 6 15.7

TOTAL OFFENSE G Rush Pass Plays Yards Avg/P TD Yds/G
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1. Northern Arizona.... 6 1145 1538 470 2683 5.7 22 447.2
2. Eastern Washington.. 6 615 1916 427 2531 5.9 22 421.8
3. Portland State...... 6 94 2418 433 2512 5.8 19 418.7
4. Weber State......... 7 717 2201 458 2918 6.4 34 416.9
5. Montana............. 6 802 1621 416 2423 5.8 25 403.8
6. Sacramento State.... 6 931 1429 431 2360 5.5 19 393.3
7. Northern Colorado... 5 655 1229 361 1884 5.2 14 376.8
8. Idaho State......... 6 460 1703 445 2163 4.9 18 360.5
9. Montana State....... 6 975 997 415 1972 4.8 20 328.7

PASS EFFICIENCY G Att Cmp Pct Int Yds TD Effic
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1. Weber State......... 7 238 159 .668 5 2201 24 173.6
2. Montana............. 6 177 108 .610 5 1621 17 164.0
3. Sacramento State.... 6 170 98 .576 3 1429 10 144.1
4. Northern Arizona.... 6 188 108 .574 3 1538 10 140.5
5. Eastern Washington.. 6 280 167 .596 8 1916 12 125.6
6. Idaho State......... 6 264 162 .614 10 1703 12 123.0
7. Portland State...... 6 339 181 .534 8 2418 13 121.2
8. Northern Colorado... 5 195 106 .544 6 1229 10 118.1
9. Montana State....... 6 169 86 .509 9 997 7 103.5

FIELD GOALS G Made Att Pct
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1. Northern Arizona.... 6 11 12 .917
2. Sacramento State.... 6 8 10 .800
3. Eastern Washington.. 6 5 7 .714
Northern Colorado... 5 5 7 .714
Montana State....... 6 5 7 .714
6. Portland State...... 6 9 14 .643
7. Weber State......... 7 5 8 .625
8. Montana............. 6 5 10 .500
9. Idaho State......... 6 1 5 .200

How can you be positive about this? :?: :oops: :oops:
 
All he can do is throw the ball when the formation and play are called. My point--Hill is a good BSC QB.

As for being positive about the rest of those stats--never said I was. Offensive play calling and run to pass ratios are beyond Hill's control. Four of the top five passers in the BSC have losing records.I guess they are all pathetic and Idaho State would take any one of them--just not the one they have.

Now, care to answer the questions that I have--as asked in my prior post?
 
Cub, i think you are reading into the QB thing more then what was intended on lagnebs post? It is accumulative with the team.(the problems) I also think the coaches should have trust and confidence in their players and the players should always be looking over their shoulder so they don't get to comfortable and take it for granted.They better perform to the highest degree of competition if they want to start. I also think a coach should jerk that player out of a game situation if he is not performing and the player should understand. You put the ones that perform on the field.

I think he is an average QB. I will still say i don't think he is the answer for the next 2 years? He has done some great things for stats and he has done some lousy things too. Most of the defense and offense have been good at times and sheer crap at times. They just can't put a full game together.
 
As I said, Cub hit everything dead on. Yeah! Let's kick this team when we have everything stacked against us!

Now, I agree that the playcalling could be changed. Definitely. We HAVE to utilize the ground game more. With backs like Cornist, Bird, Knickrehm, and Blue, how can we not? Screen passes are getting tiresome. I wanna see some downfield attacking. Use our TE's more (Ohio State also has this problem)!

We need to blitz more, definitely. All those QB's wouldn't have such great numbers if they were constantly under pressure.
 
Nice talk Cub, you are showing great class. The institutions you are comparing are winning, they are playing hard, showing desire, and enthusiasm on the field, we are not. We have been significantly outplayed every game this year; not by a little but significantly.

So tell us Cub, what should our record expectations be for this year, 2009, and 2010? What should Hill's efficiency rating be this year and the future. And, while you are at your forcasting effort, why not tell the coaches and us what the problems on the field are so we can make a fix.

No one forced Z to take this job. He knew the situation, our prior win/loss record, budgets, facilities etc.: did he ever say this would take 5-10 years to turn this beast around based on such criteria. Didn't Z also say during the conference coaches retreat in SLC this year, something about that he was surprised his competition didn't rank the Bengals higher? What do you suppose his and the team's goals and objectives are for this season? Wouldn't a prudent person be making some changes by now?

I don't know what your expectations are Cub, or how you measure performance, or success but it is very hard to see improvement week-to-week with the current forces, effort, and design. Yes, we need to address the facilities problem, the money problem, the staffing problem and we need a much higher sense of urgency--that is may position. We are not complaining loud enough to the President and the AD and 'we' means us, the community leaders, alumni, and students.
 
I will say it again.......read my lips:

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

Change seems necessary. I just can't figure out how and why the staff hasn't figured it out yet. Those of you that have had the opportunity to watch each and every game have seen it and it's what we have been discussing here.

I know that Z is torn up inside about the 0-6 start, like we all are. However, what I would expect from him is to see some sort of directive to change what we have been doing, especially on offense. I hope we change a few things this week in practice for the NAU game.
Defensively, we are strapped for depth and more talent namely on the DL.
(I would like to see the Whimpey kid out there, but I think they are given him the RS in light of him heading on a mission next year???)
With the recent dismissal of Demi and Rashaad, this will again put pressure on other players to fill in. But, it has to be looked at as "opportunity knocks" for someone else to show what they can do and what they were brought in for.
 
Let me tell you about class numb nuts. I don't give a flying fuck about your class--to sit here and refer to the Bengals as Bungals, that is all I need to hear.

You sit here and bitch and moan and talk about higher expectations, but you cannot put a finger on what measurable results are.

You sit and rail the starting QB, but you can't tell me what acceptable is.

As for my expectations, I expect producing a consistent winner to take time. I don't even think that Zamberlin said that rebuilding would take 5-10 years, but I don't recall him saying that it would take less than two. He took this job knowing the situation, he is still on the job and he is doing his best to reshape the future of the program.

As for R. Hill--currently #1 or on track to be # 1 in ISU history for a SOPH in the following columns:

Total Offense
Pass Efficiency
Total Yards (1685 currently 2,250 for Jason Whitmer in 1988 with six games to play)
***this will be shattered should he remain healthy***

This is in the history of the program. I'd say that makes him at least average.

So, go ahead and complain and lead the revolt of higher expectations. Railing on the coaches and the kids that are putting their asses on the line trying to win games is sickening. I don't care if they are 0-100. Tell me that my attitude is exactly why ISU is always bad. Tell me that I expect to little and that I am satisfied with underachieving.

We all get frustrated, we all want to see more W's but this team is NOT the BUNGALS. They are not PATHETIC. And they don't deserve to read that they are. PERIOD.
 
Four of the top five passers in the BSC have losing records
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Three of the top 4 most efficient Passers in the conference are at the top of the conference.

PASS EFFICIENCY G Att Cmp Pct Int Yds TD Effic
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1. Weber State......... 7 238 159 .668 5 2201 24 173.6
2. Montana............. 6 177 108 .610 5 1621 17 164.0
3. Sacramento State.... 6 170 98 .576 3 1429 10 144.1
4. Northern Arizona.... 6 188 108 .574 3 1538 10 140.5

It's not about yards it's about efficiency, it's about getting the rock in the zone. This team has 15 turnovers in 6 games, several of them from the center for heaven sake. My point is very simple, I simply don't see the talent and this year is worse than last year and last year was worse than the year before. We are moving backwards not forwards.

Like I said before I'm not going to dog Hill, he is one of the better players on the team. But, if you look at the numbers from top to bottom this team is at, or near, the bottom in nearly every category on both sides of the ball. There is plenty of blame to go around but the bottom line is this team is not very good to put it lightly and I don't see it getting better in the next couple years.
 
Don't know the specifics, but apparently, there was some "differences of opinion" vocally expressed today.

And I don't think ur class-less Cub, in fact, I enjoy your posts most all the time.

We are all on edge here obviously. Can you imagine what the players think? Think about that.
Gotta be a ton of frustration on that team. We are going to have to count on Z to 'right the ship' and keep the team in the right frame of mind and focused on the task at hand---find a game plan to beat NAU.
This kinda thing no doubt had something to do with today's incident. I know Z well enough to say that he wouldn't have done something like that unless it was completely justified and he had no other choice.
 
Maybe the changes are for the good then. I have been told that Richards rubs folks the wrong way--but Amos, I would have never expected.

I can only imagine how the Coaches and players feel at this point.

I feel a bit classless today, I must admit. I am sorry for my forked tongue--I have trucker mouth, I know.

Go Bengals beat NAU.
 
I think that the coaches are getting a little thin skinned here. The players are finally stepping up to the plate voicing there dis-pleasures. In the locker room and sometimes on the field. (Were they should NEVER voice an opinion).
I have an open door policy for my players to come and voice their opinion at any time before or after the game about what they see. I might even consider player personnel changes. The players know who are better. And like I said at the start of the season, that this would be a problem down the road.
It’s now apparent that the players know the best were not out there. Now that we have so many hurt, WE will have to support the players we have. On d-line only a few players are qualified to play the 3 or the 4.
I got laugh at when I said put 94 at the 4 and Dem at the 3. (If we would of should of) things might have turned out a little different. If you put a QB on the offensive line he will get hurt. That same goes for d-line.
I still feel the players we had in there at the time were out of place (comfort zone). Now we will pay the piper.
We now know that if the players speak out there will be consequences. Players and coaches will always have differences of opinions. 80 percent of the time the coaches are right. But you have to let the players vent without repercussions. Camaraderie among the players are essential for success, without it mediocrity will set in (as it has).
The fans need to lay off, support and get behind this team more than ever. This school needs our support. If you are not willing sell the holt to the highest bidder.
When I bitch about the coaches, players, fans, support, money. I do it as a fan and not as a lynch mob.
I will say this one last time: Boosters, you are the problem. (Been there done that)
STAY THE F..K OUT, AND QUIT DICTATIING TO THE COACHES ON PLAYERS AND SUPPORT THEM THE CORRECT WAY.
JMO
They need your support not your line up.
 
'mr. pot may i introduce you to mr. kettle'

weren't you whining about your kids playing time? can't have it both ways
 
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