Reno- BSC:Conference officially starts the Spin

[weberwildcat]

im no reno expert but when i make my treks from saint joe's to ogden i like to stay in reno because its usually 13-14 hours drive because of summer construction projects in nevada and the time zone change. i like to stay at atlantis. its nice so i stay there each time. i dont know about the others. anyone been to the one wsu is using? i think atlantis usually around 100 per night and has a good buffet.

 

[Webergrad02]

I am getting some shirts made. Anyone willing to pay $10 for one of these babies?

 

[WeberSki]

I am getting some shirts made. Anyone willing to pay $10 for one of these babies?

How about a Big Sky logo, & a slogan "You can give me tickets, & I still won't go"

 

[WeberSki]

Just let Ron explain it... "Reno Explained"

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=38325861&nid=1153&title=big-sky-road-to-reno-postseason-tournament-explained&s_cid=queue-13" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[WeberSki]

Anyone actually paying money "Olds, Sir Velo" is part of the problem. The conference, schools including Weber need their financial backs broken over this. Such a disaster & failure would expedite this DOA flop project, and it would be cheaper to buy out the contract in Reno. Get this over with in 1 yr. Fullerton could call down to Doctor Hill & Larry Kriscko if he's confused about how to buyout a contract.

 

[Skippy]

Anyone actually paying money "Olds, Sir Velo" is part of the problem. The conference, schools including Weber need their financial backs broken over this. Such a disaster & failure would expedite this DOA flop project, and it would be cheaper to buy out the contract in Reno. Get this over with in 1 yr. Fullerton could call down to Doctor Hill & Larry Kriscko if he's confused about how to buyout a contract.

I think most of the schools in the league already view their $11,000 contribution as a sunk cost and if nobody shows up, it probably won't impact anybody's bottom line very much. Let's face it, most of these schools are much more concerned about putting butts in their own home arenas, so marketing tickets to their fans to go to Reno is really competing against themselves. The schools had to know this going in.

Having said that, if the tournament doesn't draw flies over a three-year period, it's probably time for re-evaluation.

 

[wsucatfan]

I am getting some shirts made. Anyone willing to pay $10 for one of these babies?

How about a Big Sky logo, & a slogan "You can give me tickets, & I still won't go"

:rofl:

 

[WeberSki]

The doublespeak coming out of Bovee & Rahe has got to be at an all time high

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=38325861&nid=1153&title=big-sky-road-to-reno-postseason-tournament-explained&s_cid=queue-13" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


"I think it is good for the league to try it," said Rahe. "That is what most conferences do. We are trying to move forward as a conference and I think one of those steps is to move to a neutral site and get everybody involved in the tournament." You want to ask the Mountain West about that, Coach

Loghry echoed that this sentiment is shared by all of the other coaches in the conference.

trying to make basketball better in this conference," said Loghry. "It has been a goal of ours every year. The issue is that we don't have a brand identity in basketball because we leave teams home. So these teams that jump in and out of the top eight can't build any momentum and there is nothing for them or their fans to get behind each year."

The new tournament format provides each team in the Big Sky a more defined postseason experience and allows even the lowest team the opportunity to upset a higher seed and make a run for the championship, a fact that Rahe fully supports.

"The best thing they did was to get everybody involved in the tournament," said Rahe. "I think that is what real conferences do. They don't eliminate teams. I think it will be a great week of basketball."
AGAIN, ASK THE MOUNTAIN WEST

This is important as the Big Sky is represented in the NCAA tournament by just the conference tournament champion. While the conference can do little to change that, the league wanted to offer a similar experience for the teams in the conference who would not advance to the Big Dance.

"We were doing somewhat of a disservice to every team except the one that we advanced to the NCAA tournament," said Loghry. "The Big Sky tournament is the postseason experience for the other programs. We wanted to create a student-athlete championship experience. That was our number one goal."

 

[SWeberCat02]

"We were doing somewhat of a disservice to every team except the one that we advanced to the NCAA tournament," said Loghry. "The Big Sky tournament is the postseason experience for the other programs. We wanted to create a student-athlete championship experience. That was our number one goal."

As a fan I disagree with so many things quoted in this article. But if that's their number one goal with this thing then so be it. Just don't expect fans to show up, or be surprised when they don't.

 

[baller]

Geezus Christo... I just don't get it! The only thing that the old tournament did was to get a good home crowd out for the games that their team was playing in. And usually the home team was playing in the late game each day and the attendance was miserable for all the other games because: (1) traveling fans couldn't get decent reservations at the last minute; (2) the cost of travel at the last minute was prohibitive. As the coaches have said they wanted to try and get more people involved from each school, not just a crowd that is 90% from the home team. This format gives that a chance to happen. The old format prohibited it... I applaud them for taking this step to try and improve the overall participation of the fans. More fans from more schools attending such an event makes every school stronger and thus makes the Conference stronger.

SWCAT2 seems to be encouraging fans to stay away and WeberSki has stated that the schools & the conference needs to "get their financial backs broken over this decision". Why would any true fan of the game. and supporter of their school, hope for either of these things? What is the point of refusing to show up, encouraging/hoping that others don't show up and hoping that the change leads to financial ruin? There is nothing to be gained with this approach.

At a minimum taking such an attitude is myopic and xenophobic. In it's worst iteration it reveals a narcissistic attitude. "To hell with the other schools bball programs, to hell with a stronger conference. I am interested in what is best for me. I want the ball on my home court and let every school and the conference fend for themselves." This is myopia that borders on extreme; almost xenophobic

Surely there are better arguments for keeping the tournament in the same format than the ones I have seen on this blog. These are not valid arguments to any rational human being; just selfish actions by those who don't want to travel, who don't want to spend the money, and want to maintain an unfair advantage over the competition.

GET OVER IT! Climb out of your protective cacoon. Stop thinking small! Focus on helping Weber and all other Big Sky Conference schools move forward.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Geezus Christo... I just don't get it! The only thing that the old tournament did was to get a good home crowd out for the games that their team was playing in. And usually the home team was playing in the late game each day and the attendance was miserable for all the other games because: (1) traveling fans couldn't get decent reservations at the last minute; (2) the cost of travel at the last minute was prohibitive. As the coaches have said they wanted to try and get more people involved from each school, not just a crowd that is 90% from the home team. This format gives that a chance to happen. The old format prohibited it... I applaud them for taking this step to try and improve the overall participation of the fans. More fans from more schools attending such an event makes every school stronger and thus makes the Conference stronger.

SWCAT2 seems to be encouraging fans to stay away and WeberSki has stated that the schools & the conference needs to "get their financial backs broken over this decision". Why would any true fan of the game. and supporter of their school, hope for either of these things? What is the point of refusing to show up, encouraging/hoping that others don't show up and hoping that the change leads to financial ruin? There is nothing to be gained with this approach.

At a minimum taking such an attitude is myopic and xenophobic. In it's worst iteration it reveals a narcissistic attitude. "To hell with the other schools bball programs, to hell with a stronger conference. I am interested in what is best for me. I want the ball on my home court and let every school and the conference fend for themselves." This is myopia that borders on extreme; almost xenophobic

Surely there are better arguments for keeping the tournament in the same format than the ones I have seen on this blog. These are not valid arguments to any rational human being; just selfish actions by those who don't want to travel, who don't want to spend the money, and want to maintain an unfair advantage over the competition.

GET OVER IT! Climb out of your protective cacoon. Stop thinking small! Focus on helping Weber and all other Big Sky Conference schools move forward.

:roll: I've never encouraged fans to stay away. I really don't care if anyone goes or not. I'm simply pointing out that fans aren't the number one goal with the conference so they shouldn't be surprised if fans don't show up. I understand the reasons for the change. I may not like the changes, but I understand. Personally, I stopped caring about the tournament after Anthony Johnson exposed Randy Rahe back in 2010. I think it's pointless for the Big Sky to have a post season tournament. And I don't understand how a bloated tournament in Reno, Nevada will help the conference improve. The conference is getting worse every year and the tournament isn't to blame.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

At a minimum taking such an attitude is myopic and xenophobic. In it's worst iteration it reveals a narcissistic attitude. "To hell with the other schools bball programs, to hell with a stronger conference. I am interested in what is best for me. I want the ball on my home court and let every school and the conference fend for themselves." This is myopia that borders on extreme; almost xenophobic

Surely there are better arguments for keeping the tournament in the same format than the ones I have seen on this blog. These are not valid arguments to any rational human being; just selfish actions by those who don't want to travel, who don't want to spend the money, and want to maintain an unfair advantage over the competition.

GET OVER IT! Climb out of your protective cacoon. Stop thinking small! Focus on helping Weber and all other Big Sky Conference schools move forward.

Feel better?

Last I checked, I was the customer and I've been told my entire lifetime that the customer is always right. Over the last several years WSU & the BSC have made it pretty clear that they don't value me as a customer. You question my sanity for not wanting to financially support those who don't value me as a customer???

The feeling is mutual if you can't see the value to fans, communities, players, the conference, or collegiate basketball in general for conference playoffs to be hosted by a school/community within the conference. You seriously can't find a single valid reason for this? Wow.

'02, love the shirt and would love to wear one but I'm just not willing to spend anything because of reno and this too qualifies. If I were to get one, I'd prefer "reNO" and the slogan mentioned "You can give me tickets, & I still won't go."

 

[WeberSki]

You really should have stopped after your first sentence. Baller, it's RENO.. Okay! RENO, not Vegas, not Anaheim, RENO. Baller how is a 90% empty arena on ESPN going to move the Big Sky Conference forward? We all know the WAC has been kickingA ss since they hold their conference tourneys in Vegas. The attendance was off the charts..... :roll: If you don't like the arguments against it here, maybe check out another forum http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73148" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Geezus Christo... I just don't get it! The only thing that the old tournament did was to get a good home crowd out for the games that their team was playing in. And usually the home team was playing in the late game each day and the attendance was miserable for all the other games because: (1) traveling fans couldn't get decent reservations at the last minute; (2) the cost of travel at the last minute was prohibitive. As the coaches have said they wanted to try and get more people involved from each school, not just a crowd that is 90% from the home team. This format gives that a chance to happen. The old format prohibited it... I applaud them for taking this step to try and improve the overall participation of the fans. More fans from more schools attending such an event makes every school stronger and thus makes the Conference stronger.

SWCAT2 seems to be encouraging fans to stay away and WeberSki has stated that the schools & the conference needs to "get their financial backs broken over this decision". Why would any true fan of the game. and supporter of their school, hope for either of these things? What is the point of refusing to show up, encouraging/hoping that others don't show up and hoping that the change leads to financial ruin? There is nothing to be gained with this approach.

At a minimum taking such an attitude is myopic and xenophobic. In it's worst iteration it reveals a narcissistic attitude. "To hell with the other schools bball programs, to hell with a stronger conference. I am interested in what is best for me. I want the ball on my home court and let every school and the conference fend for themselves." This is myopia that borders on extreme; almost xenophobic

Surely there are better arguments for keeping the tournament in the same format than the ones I have seen on this blog. These are not valid arguments to any rational human being; just selfish actions by those who don't want to travel, who don't want to spend the money, and want to maintain an unfair advantage over the competition.

GET OVER IT! Climb out of your protective cacoon. Stop thinking small! Focus on helping Weber and all other Big Sky Conference schools move forward.

 

[n.ogdencat]

I am getting some shirts made. Anyone willing to pay $10 for one of these babies?

Love it!! I'm down...

 

[n.ogdencat]

My opinion is that the Big Sky shouldn't have a tournament. You play a regular season to reward the best teams in the league with a post-season experience. Then out of the top 8 best teams the best goes on to the dance. I don't see the reasoning for giving every athlete an ribbon.

What now, will the Sky petition the NCAA to expand the football playoffs so that every team can have a post-season experience? How about Volleyball? Softball? Track? Should the conference get rid of qualifying marks and times so that every athlete can participate in the "Conference Meet" which is technically the post-season in track? Terrible excuse to push the tournament. Fact of the matter, there is no reason to play hard now or develop teams in the regular season. It isn't important. the only thing that matters is four days Reno in March.

I can't get mad at Rahe and Bovee...they have their orders and have to deliver the talking points. Gotta be seen as good soldiers.

 

[weberwildcat]

The doublespeak coming out of Bovee & Rahe has got to be at an all time high

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=38325861&nid=1153&title=big-sky-road-to-reno-postseason-tournament-explained&s_cid=queue-13" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


"I think it is good for the league to try it," said Rahe. "That is what most conferences do. We are trying to move forward as a conference and I think one of those steps is to move to a neutral site and get everybody involved in the tournament."

Not a valid reason. We aren't most conferences. Most go to Vegas, not Reno. Everyone involved also not a valid reason for the new tournament.

Last year the below were left out of the BSCT. Does anyone wish they could have given a chance at an NCAA Tourney berth?

SUU 7-11, 10-19
UND 4-14, 8-22
ISU 4-14, 7-23
MSU 4-14, 7-23

trying to make basketball better in this conference," said Loghry. "It has been a goal of ours every year. The issue is that we don't have a brand identity in basketball because we leave teams home. So these teams that jump in and out of the top eight can't build any momentum and there is nothing for them or their fans to get behind each year."

Not a valid reason. The bottom 8 teams will now have a postseason regardless of record. This is like little league where everyone gets a trophy. BSC is one of the worst leagues in America this year. Wouldn't allowing the bottom 4 in theory give them a legitimate shot at the big dance? Maybe that would build momentum for the Sky.

The new tournament format provides each team in the Big Sky a more defined postseason experience and allows even the lowest team the opportunity to upset a higher seed and make a run for the championship, a fact that Rahe fully supports.

This is the best reason. As a weak league we want to do everything possible to increase the chances of the crappiest teams to get to the dance. :lol: Rahe of all people would understand this.

"The best thing they did was to get everybody involved in the tournament," said Rahe. "I think that is what real conferences do. They don't eliminate teams. I think it will be a great week of basketball."

I agree with Rahe if we were in a league that had fan bases where people went to the home games and you could expect them to also travel to the conf tourney. I think Rahe was just being nice. He is a nice guy. Pointing out the obvious would make him look bad insulting Foolerton and his Fools as eGriz call them.

This is important as the Big Sky is represented in the NCAA tournament by just the conference tournament champion. While the conference can do little to change that, the league wanted to offer a similar experience for the teams in the conference who would not advance to the Big Dance.

It it interesting we now care about these teams that win just a few games and finish at the bottom of our standings. For years they were saying they wanted neutral for scheduling purposes to save money. That apparently wasn't really the reason per this article. hno:

"We were doing somewhat of a disservice to every team except the one that we advanced to the NCAA tournament," said Loghry. "The Big Sky tournament is the postseason experience for the other programs. We wanted to create a student-athlete championship experience. That was our number one goal."

That isn't what you said the number one goal would be for the neutral court these past few years. This new #1 goal means to me we don't want to move forward. We know we will never move forward so lets may the BSCT our own super bowl. I disagree unless we are the Great West where the winner still can't get into the big dance. This could be realistic if we knew there would be good fan attendance and travel. But if you turn on any big sky game any week of this season you will see most home games empty at most of the 12 arenas or gyms.


:lol:
:rofl:

 

[wsucatfan]

Last Friday, (Big Sky Conference deputy commissioner Ron) Loghry said only about 1,800 full-session tickets had been sold. And that’s for both men’s and women’s tournaments.

http://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/21232-big-sky-2015-16/

 

[oldrunner]

Last Friday, (Big Sky Conference deputy commissioner Ron) Loghry said only about 1,800 full-session tickets had been sold. And that’s for both men’s and women’s tournaments.

http://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/21232-big-sky-2015-16/

And, that is with each schools required purchase of 100 tickets. So, we can assume that about 600 tickets have actually been sold. All of the tickets are general admission. I don't see any reason to purchase a tournament pass for $100 when your team may only get one game, and there is no scarcity of tickets available.

BTW, the Eldorado's 'Special Deal' is for $119 per night. You can get a good room anywhere else in town for $40 to $60 per night 'Regular Price'. Just sayin'. :yikes:

Seems like the Eldorado doesn't really want your money. :doh:

 

[Born2BleedPurpleGuy]

Sooooo....3 pages of discussion......DONE!
Let me put this in a nutshell. "ROAD TO RENO" is the BSC version of a participation trophy.

 

[weberwildcat]

olds,

looks like el dorado might be nice. also, its next to the famous reno sign too. i remember seeing el dorado next to it. i stayed at atlantis which isn't walking distance but it was nice. i thought it was new but apparently it is from 1972 and el dorado 1973. looks like wiki shows both have had a number of changes and renovations.

reno wont exactly be the super bowl but maybe it will be ok. we just cant plan for a sold out arena if they are each struggling to sell 100 tkts.