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Roos Field Renovation

If the gateway project were to come to fruition would attendance increase? We had just over 6k at a playoff game last weekend. If we had twice as many seats would there have been 12k? I am affraid NOT.
I am a huge advocate of the Gateway but, except for the Montana games what will attract bigger crowds?
To LDopas comment about scaling back, would that increase the likelihood of the project moving forward?
 
clawman said:
If the gateway project were to come to fruition would attendance increase? We had just over 6k at a playoff game last weekend. If we had twice as many seats would there have been 12k? I am affraid NOT.
I am a huge advocate of the Gateway but, except for the Montana games what will attract bigger crowds?
To LDopas comment about scaling back, would that increase the likelihood of the project moving forward?

You are correct the lower end games. Most likely, nothing would change. For the higher end games, we would see an increase. We sold out early for Montana State and I'm sure a lot of people would want to experience the new stadium.
 
I beg to differ if there is one thing that I have learned is that people will come to games if there is something this cool to see it will be a spectical and when we keep winning people will keep telling their friends this is huge for enrollment as well as the program why can't other people see this ...this is a CENTERPIECE a Picaso a rembrant . . . a GAME CHANGER! IF THEY BUILD IT THEY WILL COME! Look at the Mariners . . . .well . . . look at them when the Safe got built. Before that NO ONE was really going to their games . . .now . . .no one is going to their games again, but anyway it will be a huge draw!
 
We may not fill the expanded stadium for every game right away, but we need room to grow. There were games this year that we could have sold more tickets if we would have had more seats especially if they are quality seats. Sitting on temporary or east side bleachers suck; I have done both once and neither time were rather enjoyable experiences.

We need more quality seats at Roos!
 
clawman said:
If the gateway project were to come to fruition would attendance increase? We had just over 6k at a playoff game last weekend. If we had twice as many seats would there have been 12k? I am affraid NOT.
I am a huge advocate of the Gateway but, except for the Montana games what will attract bigger crowds?
To LDopas comment about scaling back, would that increase the likelihood of the project moving forward?

I think there would be some "build it and they will come" effect. Mostly, though, we just need to show that we can accommodate fans. Roos holds about 6,000 fans comfortably, with another 1,500 or so in endzone seating. The remainder get stuck in those low-rise aluminum bleachers from which the view is bad and the comfort level is Spartan. It doesn't exactly send a "come back soon" type of message to our fans.

After being an Eastern observer for decades, I just worry that this is another big proposal on which nothing will get completed. That's why I would find it very inspiring just to see the Admin start the construction, even if it is modest in scale and just a fraction of what is to be accomplished. At least adding 5,000 or so permanent seats to the Eastside would get us to a more level-appropriate venue size and show that the Admin is serious about moving forward.
 
clawman said:
If the gateway project were to come to fruition would attendance increase? We had just over 6k at a playoff game last weekend. If we had twice as many seats would there have been 12k? I am affraid NOT.
I am a huge advocate of the Gateway but, except for the Montana games what will attract bigger crowds?
To LDopas comment about scaling back, would that increase the likelihood of the project moving forward?

I'm not sure that game is a very good metric. It was the coldest game in the history of the program and the week before finals. Also, playoff games are generally never as well attended as the regular season due to the weather, school being out, etc. Maybe if we switched to semesters some of that would change.

The second largest gate this season was against SUU, and we had over 10k in attendance for that game. That means we had over 10k Eastern fans there, because SUU didn't bring any fans. That's actually more Eastern fans than we had at the MSU game if you think about it. There were not enough tickets for people to get ahold of. I personally know more than a handful of folks that couldn't attend the game that wanted to. We need more seats, plain and simple, regardless of whether or not every single game sells out. I am also a firm believer that a nicer venue will attract more folks on a permanent basis. We've made some great strides the past 2-3 years in regards to attendance and game day experience, but it will take investment in facilities to really get to that next level. If we added more seats, I could see an immediate jump in attendance to the 12k range, and then a steady rise after that as nicer facilities tend to win more people over. Our facilities right now scream "small time" when we have a big time program that can compete with the best of them. Getting our facilities up to par with the on field performance would take this program to a different level than any in the Big Sky, IMO.
 
Once track season is over I think one of the fraternities should take it upon themselves to pull a prank and get those metal HS bleachers out of there....UUGGGHHH At least put in ones like they have at the end where the band plays usually. Sprooce up that turd!
 
clawman said:
If the gateway project were to come to fruition would attendance increase? We had just over 6k at a playoff game last weekend. If we had twice as many seats would there have been 12k? I am affraid NOT.
I am a huge advocate of the Gateway but, except for the Montana games what will attract bigger crowds?
To LDopas comment about scaling back, would that increase the likelihood of the project moving forward?


This bothers me. Doubling a stadium's capacity wont automatically double the attendance. Its not a direct correlation like that.
1. Coldest game in EWU history and STILL had 6k+ fans is a good thing, especially in December.
2. EWU already sells out games against other teams not named UM or MSU.

Part of the reason there was only 6k fans is bc of the current east side. That's what a lot of people need to accept. That eastside has a negative effect on attendance as well as many other things. EWU already plays at the FCS level, many people associate that with D2 or "not as good as WSU or UW", when EWU came THIS CLOSE to beating both those teams. Point is, UW plays in a 70k seat stadium and WSU plays in a 32k stadium. IMO a FB can easily be defined by their stadium, either good or bad & their opponents. The track and eastside at Roos define EWU's football program as "small time". Especially when you consider MSU & UM.

I think an expansion similar to the stands in the north endzone is much more feasible and realistic at this time, just as long as there is proper signage or something hiding interior bars/support beams. They could easily install a stand alone track somewhere else (by/at the soccer field) and use the current eastside stands as bleachers for soccer AND/or track. If they did these two things I think it would reduce the cost by at least 75% and increase the likelihood of SOMETHING getting done. Times-a-wasting.
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EWU doesn't produce the quantity of high income alums such as UM and MSU. After watching some of the other games during the playoffs, EWU doesn't have to go too far to improve The Inferno. Take UM, MSU and NDSU out of the picture and EWU isn't too far off from the other Top 20 schools.

It will be a while (if ever) for EWU go toe to toe financially with schools like UM and MSU.

UM and MSU get the lion share of state funding in Montana for their academic programs which equate to higher incomes for their alums. That funding allows them to draw students for high income degrees such as business, engineering, etc.

EWU is 4th on the list of state universities behind UW, WSU and WWU for state funding. That will never change. EWU is a solid university that is trying to improve it's academic profile in areas like engineering, but that takes years.

Going to 3 semis in 4 years is an amazing accomplishment and they should be a Top 5 team next year.

Seems like things are just fine, keep the momentum going, get alums to continue to increase giving and this will continue to grow.

GO EAGS
 
Unless we get some major donations from a couple donors, this thing isn't going to happen. It's all about the $$$. The east side bleachers need to be replaced and I think that has to be done no matter what, but unless a couple people open up their pocket books, it will be tough to build this entire project as planned.

I think we would all love it to be built but its going to take some major $$$.
 
Wow. Lot's of interest on this topic and also lot's of opinions. Here's mine. I was invited by the school to participate in a brainstorming session at the Spokane Club last year regarding the gateway building and having been involved with EWU for many years, I can say that they are light years ahead of any other administration's planning and organization for a stadium project. There have been drawings and dreams for many years but the current planning is far and away more organized and visioned than before. I have already given my pledge to buy a suite in the new building whatever the cost provided the project starts and is constructed as shown in the current drawings. In my opinion, the most important part of it is the football team center on the main floor that will dwarf anything at the fcs level let alone our conference. This is because it gives us that much more of a recruiting upgrade which I'm sure would be important to Coach Baldwin. Secondly, the suite and club area has to be done right because they are inside and warm and that's critical to the Spokane market. It's an absolutely home run and they can't compromise on this. I have current and history with both Gonzaga and Washington State and will do the same at my school provided they do it as planned. Putting up four or five thousand seats to simply put more seats in the stadium would be what ewu has always done. Limiting opportunities for pride. I'm not a big alma mater downer but the school could be much more than it is as could the city of Cheney. Perhaps a little vision would appeal to some people but not me. I don't believe they will sell out the stadium if they phase it either and selling it out before it opens was shown as a critical financial factor. Tickets will be more expensive although not crazy but everyone is going to have to be okay with that. I do believe that if built as shown, the school will have no problem selling season tickets to it.

There are some posts that question whether or not it will sell if we can't sell now which couldn't be any more silly. There's now way to compare what you have now out there with what this project will do from a stadium standpoint. During the work session they said the current press box side will become one large student section similar to Delaware or some other school they visited. The new side will be the side they are selling so the number of tickets for sale will be around 10K and not 20k. They are going to try and encourage 6k students to come to all of the games and said that will be as important as selling the new side out. Either way, if the team stays successful, the project will offer an opportunity to ramp up the entertainment in the stadium which may be attractive to the student body.

Also, from what I understand the project is completely donor based with some larger asks first to get the fundraising off the ground. Having been involved in this before at other places I can promise it is slow at best. The most important thing that we as fans do is support the team. I posted on another thread to buy as many tickets this weekend as possible to sell the game out. As important as donations are, the case for demand builds on the justification for project. This weekend is probably important on several levels and if they are entertaining donors for the project and having to rely on the build it and they will come fallacy because the stands aren't full on the most important game of the year, could spell trouble.

As far as the build it and they will come dreamers, good luck with that. The university will have to employ a sales group similar to my businesses to service the increased interest and it will have to be carefully orchestrated in a contained period of time. Both GU and WSU had a three month windows on the back side of the public announcement to capitalize on the excitement to meet their measured sales goals. I tried to buy some extra tickets this morning for this week's game from the ticket lady out there and she blew me off saying she was too busy to deal with me. I was able to call back a couple of times later and get it done but the service element is a sign of systemic issues that will turn the gateway upside down in a hurry so I'm hopeful they have this thought out. Nothing could be worse than donors saying yes and the backend being marginalized.

With the number of alumni in the Spokane area, the gateway building is more than doable. What it's not is easy, especially if donors are expected to do this for the university. It is time for EWU to take itself more seriously though so I would love to see more growth than less and I'm not interested in limiting or reducing what I'm seeing as a very big awesome vision. If someone with a lot of money has a different opinion then so be it but I'd love to see it as scoped and then when it's done, I want to see what the dreams of the next phase are. I don't believe this has anything to do with anyone other than EWU and who they can be. No offense or praise to other universities, I just think Spokane will support it with the right service element and when it get's done, whenever it get's done, it will be simply the best. I went through the Montana locker room area while visiting my parents a couple of years ago and the gateway will make theirs look like a junior college in comparison.

I would let donors say no before I would run the mouth and say this won't happen. Given the superior organization of the project there's a fighting chance it will happen with only limited private support. I think they are working through the big donor part now which even in my limited past, took six months to finalize. If asking is going on now it could be a year before finances get finalized. It's nice they are at least asking so let's do our part and come to the damn game this weekend.
 
cravenmoore said:
Wow. Lot's of interest on this topic and also lot's of opinions. Here's mine. I was invited by the school to participate in a brainstorming session at the Spokane Club last year regarding the gateway building and having been involved with EWU for many years, I can say that they are light years ahead of any other administration's planning and organization for a stadium project. There have been drawings and dreams for many years but the current planning is far and away more organized and visioned than before. I have already given my pledge to buy a suite in the new building whatever the cost provided the project starts and is constructed as shown in the current drawings. In my opinion, the most important part of it is the football team center on the main floor that will dwarf anything at the fcs level let alone our conference. This is because it gives us that much more of a recruiting upgrade which I'm sure would be important to Coach Baldwin. Secondly, the suite and club area has to be done right because they are inside and warm and that's critical to the Spokane market. It's an absolutely home run and they can't compromise on this. I have current and history with both Gonzaga and Washington State and will do the same at my school provided they do it as planned. Putting up four or five thousand seats to simply put more seats in the stadium would be what ewu has always done. Limiting opportunities for pride. I'm not a big alma mater downer but the school could be much more than it is as could the city of Cheney. Perhaps a little vision would appeal to some people but not me. I don't believe they will sell out the stadium if they phase it either and selling it out before it opens was shown as a critical financial factor. Tickets will be more expensive although not crazy but everyone is going to have to be okay with that. I do believe that if built as shown, the school will have no problem selling season tickets to it.

There are some posts that question whether or not it will sell if we can't sell now which couldn't be any more silly. There's now way to compare what you have now out there with what this project will do from a stadium standpoint. During the work session they said the current press box side will become one large student section similar to Delaware or some other school they visited. The new side will be the side they are selling so the number of tickets for sale will be around 10K and not 20k. They are going to try and encourage 6k students to come to all of the games and said that will be as important as selling the new side out. Either way, if the team stays successful, the project will offer an opportunity to ramp up the entertainment in the stadium which may be attractive to the student body.

Also, from what I understand the project is completely donor based with some larger asks first to get the fundraising off the ground. Having been involved in this before at other places I can promise it is slow at best. The most important thing that we as fans do is support the team. I posted on another thread to buy as many tickets this weekend as possible to sell the game out. As important as donations are, the case for demand builds on the justification for project. This weekend is probably important on several levels and if they are entertaining donors for the project and having to rely on the build it and they will come fallacy because the stands aren't full on the most important game of the year, could spell trouble.

As far as the build it and they will come dreamers, good luck with that. The university will have to employ a sales group similar to my businesses to service the increased interest and it will have to be carefully orchestrated in a contained period of time. Both GU and WSU had a three month windows on the back side of the public announcement to capitalize on the excitement to meet their measured sales goals. I tried to buy some extra tickets this morning for this week's game from the ticket lady out there and she blew me off saying she was too busy to deal with me. I was able to call back a couple of times later and get it done but the service element is a sign of systemic issues that will turn the gateway upside down in a hurry so I'm hopeful they have this thought out. Nothing could be worse than donors saying yes and the backend being marginalized.

With the number of alumni in the Spokane area, the gateway building is more than doable. What it's not is easy, especially if donors are expected to do this for the university. It is time for EWU to take itself more seriously though so I would love to see more growth than less and I'm not interested in limiting or reducing what I'm seeing as a very big awesome vision. If someone with a lot of money has a different opinion then so be it but I'd love to see it as scoped and then when it's done, I want to see what the dreams of the next phase are. I don't believe this has anything to do with anyone other than EWU and who they can be. No offense or praise to other universities, I just think Spokane will support it with the right service element and when it get's done, whenever it get's done, it will be simply the best. I went through the Montana locker room area while visiting my parents a couple of years ago and the gateway will make theirs look like a junior college in comparison.

I would let donors say no before I would run the mouth and say this won't happen. Given the superior organization of the project there's a fighting chance it will happen with only limited private support. I think they are working through the big donor part now which even in my limited past, took six months to finalize. If asking is going on now it could be a year before finances get finalized. It's nice they are at least asking so let's do our part and come to the damn game this weekend.

Thanks for the insight. Excellent post.
 
Great post and very informative. I think a lot of us get nervous when we don't hear anything about the project, and a bit of panic sets in.
 
I definitely feel the panic. That was a great post and insight. I would love to get this all done before Kupp and Adams leave would just help with continuing that momentum that we have built...doesn't happen often and we can easily keep riding the wave with the Gateway Project!

SURFS UP!
 
EWU98 said:
I definitely feel the panic. That was a great post and insight. I would love to get this all done before Kupp and Adams leave would just help with continuing that momentum that we have built...doesn't happen often and we can easily keep riding the wave with the Gateway Project!

SURFS UP!

It would be nice to get this done soon, but i've heard, best case scenario is 2-3 years out, if they get the needed donations...
 
I like the current design, at least the drawings I've seen. It would be nice if the design also considered other uses for the facility other than football. It would be cool if there could be outdoor concerts there in the summer. How about the Stones! Jimmy Buffet? (Kind of giving away my age here). There is not a venue in the area that could hold 20k people for a concert short of the Gorge. It would draw people within a 2-300 mile radius and be both a great economic generator and great first impression of the University for many people.
Regardless whether it is this idea or others that make it more multi-purpose lets think outside the box which will help justify the 6-70 mil cost.
edit- A burning man gathering would be appropriate in the Inferno :lol:
edit again- motocross, monster truck?
 
clawman said:
I like the current design, at least the drawings I've seen. It would be nice if the design also considered other uses for the facility other than football. It would be cool if there could be outdoor concerts there in the summer. How about the Stones! Jimmy Buffet? (Kind of giving away my age here). There is not a venue in the area that could hold 20k people for a concert short of the Gorge. It would draw people within a 2-300 mile radius and be both a great economic generator and great first impression of the University for many people.
Regardless whether it is this idea or others that make it more multi-purpose lets think outside the box which will help justify the 6-70 mil cost.
edit- A burning man gathering would be appropriate in the Inferno :lol:
edit again- motocross, monster truck?

In the Northwest music scene heyday of the early 90s, the parking lot behind the field used to host a festival concert. For the life of me, I can't remember the name any more. There was a Mudstock and a Greenstock, but I don't think those were the Cheney festival. It drew about 5,000 or so fans and some middle-size bands from Seattle and Spoke.
 
As insinuated earlier I hope the Gateway Project coincides with a serious human investment. Pay Beau AND his staff enough to stay around and see it come to fruition. Continued winning will have as much to do with attendance as a nice stadium. There are many half full nice stadiums around the country... :nod:
 
kalm said:
As insinuated earlier I hope the Gateway Project coincides with a serious human investment. Pay Beau AND his staff enough to stay around and see it come to fruition. Continued winning will have as much to do with attendance as a nice stadium. There are many half full nice stadiums around the country... :nod:

After seeing a few of other FCS stadiums on ESPN this year all Roos needs for now is to upgrade the East bleachers similar to the North end ! Would help get rid of the HS feel and shadow out the dorms ! Take the money and pay the coaches or they too will be gone ! GOEAGS!!! And get rid of the TRACK !!!
 

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