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Sac in the WAC

I think you guys forgot something. Remember when GCM said he got a reply from President Gonzalez after the Causeway Classic? GCM said the President said he was driving toward membership in the Mountain West Conference.

If that's what the President is aiming for I think the discussion should include the MWC obligations/requirements too. They get more TV coverage than the WAC and more high profile teams too, therefore, more money to share with the members. I don't know what their core sports are, but I know SDSU doesn't have men's cross country, indoor or outdoor track.

The reasons we stopped playing hoops at Memorial is because it cost $1,200 to lay the court down everytime we wanted to practice or play a game there. And, since it was expensive to do that, we didn't get to practice there very often, thus, the coach complained about not having a true home court advantage, which is accurate. Subsequently, we were allowed to move back to the Hornets Nest. We'd have that same cost factors and no real home court advantage if we played at Memorial or Arco in addition to not being much better off in the recruiting wars. Memorial only holds 2,400 for hoops which may not meet the MWC standards either.
 
The Green Hornet said:
I think you guys forgot something. Remember when GCM said he got a reply from President Gonzalez after the Causeway Classic? GCM said the President said he was driving toward membership in the Mountain West Conference.

If that's what the President is aiming for I think the discussion should include the MWC obligations/requirements too. They get more TV coverage than the WAC and more high profile teams too, therefore, more money to share with the members. I don't know what their core sports are, but I know SDSU doesn't have men's cross country, indoor or outdoor track.

The reasons we stopped playing hoops at Memorial is because it cost $1,200 to lay the court down everytime we wanted to practice or play a game there. And, since it was expensive to do that, we didn't get to practice there very often, thus, the coach complained about not having a true home court advantage, which is accurate. Subsequently, we were allowed to move back to the Hornets Nest. We'd have that same cost factors and no real home court advantage if we played at Memorial or Arco in addition to not being much better off in the recruiting wars. Memorial only holds 2,400 for hoops which may not meet the MWC standards either.

Not the Mountain West, he said the WAC.
 
Green Cookie Monster said:
SD, I'm in San Diego right now on business. I forgot what an awesome city it is, I guess when you leave home and it is 18*, arriving in San Diego is heaven. Anyway, what is the percentage of coverage the local rag gives the Aztecs compared to the Chargers/Padres, etc? And preps.

I wouldn't bet that the Bee would suddenly fall over themselves because the Hornets were now FBS. Remember when the Surge/Gold Miners were in town? The Bee covered and promoted them incessantly, do you think the Bee would take that line with Sac State?
Yeah when the rest of the country was frozen over, SoCal was in the middle of a nice sunny streak (It hit 84* this past weekend). Let’s just say sometimes I had to think about maybe grabbing a light sweater…strong emphasis on the maybe. But we pay for this weather so it’s not all perfect.

Chargers and Padres always reign supreme in the UT. Especially the Chargers since they have been winning the last 4 years. However, the Aztecs get a fair amount of coverage (good & bad) so they are definitely on the radar. The columnists will have the occasional Aztec story and considering the professional sports the Aztecs have to compete with for attention, I think they can’t complain. Now USD is another story. Given they have to compete with the Chargers and Aztecs for football, there is rarely a story on them (FCS vs NFL & FBS is a no brainer). USD does get some coverage for its hoops team though. They have been successful as of late so they can’t really be ignored. The preps get their fair share of coverage as well, but it doesn’t come close to the coverage of the pros and SDSU.

And I don’t expect the Bee to “fall over themselves” if Sac State goes FBS, I’m just pointing out that it would be harder for them to not increase their coverage as there would be a more regional feel to being in the WAC; which is something that would probably be worth covering.
 
The Green Hornet said:
I think you guys forgot something. Remember when GCM said he got a reply from President Gonzalez after the Causeway Classic? GCM said the President said he was driving toward membership in the Mountain West Conference.

TGH: I said that with tongue&cheek. The MWC has budgets that are about $10M more, on average, than WAC schools. I don't think we would be admitted by the Big 5 with what we have to offer now.....BYU, Utah, Wyoming, AF and CSU.

I guess I should have said Pac-10. :lol:
 
Zero chance the Mountain West uses a freshly removed FCS team to expand its conference, zero chance. And that goes for any FCS team regardless of their success at the FCS level. *cough* Montana *cough*
 
SDHornet said:
Zero chance the Mountain West uses a freshly removed FCS team to expand its conference, zero chance. And that goes for any FCS team regardless of their success at the FCS level. *cough* Montana *cough*

Don't get me started on the UM to the WAC or anywhere else move up BS :x . It's pretty much all they ever talk about, and the only thing they really have going for them, is their football program. Other than football, UM is no different than any other FCS football school :roll: .
 
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Nice find. The key words about the MWC expansion are "at the time (1999)". The "time" has now changed to where a 12 member conference is a norm, particularly for the big boy BSC conferences (yes there are exceptions but eventually they will move in that direction) which is where the MWC aspires to be. And I don't know how SUU is in the WAC move conversation, but I have no idea what the current status of their facilities and funding are so if they have those pieces, they could be considered.
 
SUU has a 8,000 seat stadium and a FCS budget of ~$7.5M.

No way would they be in consideration. Absolutely no media market, no easy airport, etc. They would join the BSC if Sac leaves as a bus buddy to Weber, NAU and UNC.

The other three mentioned could compete with SJSU, NMSU, USU, Hawaii, Idaho, etc..

I could see PSU mentioned also with their stadium upgrade and media market.

Rumor on... :arrow:

Good get Kadeezy! 8-)
 
The Pac-10 is talking about expansion, right now. Though they have not seriously talked to any school. But Utah and New Mexico are in the mix. BYU could be, if they stopped their No Sundays, policy, though many Pac-10 people aren't happy about the 25 year old soph.

That will be the first domino to fall, if/when, the next round of conference expansion comes around.
 
I think the most likely to be invited would be Boise and Montana. Utah, BYU, and New Mexico are too far from the WA-AZ axis to be feasible. Others have proposed Fresneck and UNLV, but other than a short time for UNLV at the top of the MBB heap while in the PCAA, neither have ever done anything athletically and can't compete with the Pac in terms of academics, either. One other possibility would be UOP if and only if they bring back football, though right now that's a moonshot. So, for me, it's down to Boise and Montana. And Montana will likely turn it down due to all the anti-FBS folk among their boosters.
 
SH you're insane to think the Pac-10 would use an FCS school to fill expansion. Montana doesn't even field the minimum 16 D-1 teams to even make the move to FBS let alone the Pac-10. Boise doesn't have the academic clout to even be considered for the Pac-10. I think this is just a ploy and the Pac-10 doesn't expand, but if they do I think it will be BYU (storied FB program and respectable BBall program) and Utah (as of late a good FB program and historically a solid BBall program). They add a natural rivalry, add a fairly large TV market (Salt Lake City) and will keep the travel partner harmony in the Pac-10. There is the issue of BYU not doing anything on Sundays but that's not a big deal imo. Hoops can move to a Thurs-Sat schedule or have half of the conference on Thurs-Sat and the other on whatever other days they play (Fri-Sun?). The BCS money will be waved in front of their faces and they will fold to the almighty dollar as any other religion institution had done throughout history.

JH, the first domino to fall will be in the Big East as they will make a move to 12 full sport conference members to maintain their BCS entitlement (football trumps all other sports as it generates the most $$$). The dominoes will fall from east to west.
 
SD you're crazy if you think the not playing on Sunday is a minor thing. The Pac-10 isn't going to change their schedule because of a new member. BYU won't get in unless they change their policy.

Actually the Big 11 may expand before the Big East and Pac-10. Those three BCS conferences can't overlook the money those championship games are bringing the SEC and the Big 12.
 
On one of the sports talk shows this past week (can't recall which one), a guest, not a caller, said that BYU and Colorado were the two teams that might go to the Pac-10. That's the first time I've heard Colorado ever mentioned, but I could see it happening. If Colorado left the Big 12, TCU would be a good fit in the Big 12.
 
JackHornet said:
SD you're crazy if you think the not playing on Sunday is a minor thing. The Pac-10 isn't going to change their schedule because of a new member. BYU won't get in unless they change their policy.

Actually the Big 11 may expand before the Big East and Pac-10. Those three BCS conferences can't overlook the money those championship games are bringing the SEC and the Big 12.
Don't worry, BYU will find a way to justify the move to its minions...no way they pass up the millions that being associated with the Pac-10 (Pac-12?) will send their way.

My money is still on the Big East making some bold moves to become relevant in football again. I think they will raid the C-USA for ECU, UCF, and Memphis. No idea where they will get the 4th football school but who cares, that's their problem. The C-USA will then have to find a way to refill their ranks and so on and so forth until the WAC is left scrambling to find members...enter Sac State and a "commitment to play in Arco" (credit to GCM for this ingenious concept) and Sac gets its invite. Still a long shot but feasible nonetheless.
 
Are you saying the Mormons are going to have another revelation like they did in 1978?

Hey SD, going to be in SD, for work, later this week. Is DZ Akins still there?
 
JackHornet said:
Are you saying the Mormons are going to have another revelation like they did in 1978?

Hey SD, going to be in SD, for work, later this week. Is DZ Akins still there?
Yup, still where it always has been, and still delicious as ever. :) You are coming in a good week. We are suppose to have low 70's through most of the week with partly cloudy weather this upcoming weekend, so probably high 60's for the weekend.
 
SDHornet said:
JackHornet said:
Are you saying the Mormons are going to have another revelation like they did in 1978?

Hey SD, going to be in SD, for work, later this week. Is DZ Akins still there?
Yup, still where it always has been, and still delicious as ever. :) You are coming in a good week. We are suppose to have low 70's through most of the week with partly cloudy weather this upcoming weekend, so probably high 60's for the weekend.


Cool, when I lived in SD, I went there at least twice a month. Glad to hear it is still good.
 
In regards to Montana moving up:

Montana will not be moving up, they can't afford to field the minimum number of teams required. Heck, they can't even afford to keep their tennis courts in decent condition (tennis courts for poops sake!). Football is all they have and all they'll ever have, they will be in the FCS forever.

No, they can't fund other sports with their football revenue, if they did that, they wouldnt have the program they had now. They neglect every other sport at the school, it's no secret. They have shown that they'd rather play DII OOC games (i.e. Western State every year!) than FBS games, I don't care what the reason is, if they were so damn good they'd do it :x . I'm tired of their excuses, prove me wrong Montana fans, prove me wrong!

Boy, I really hate Montana, sorry for the tirade, I'm just SICK of homers!
 
SA Montana isn't going anywhere. You can put your mind at ease. They are awaiting their MWC invite that will never come. :roll:
 

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