#1bearsfan
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jjjj said:
I agree with 4j's. Based on the egg Mines laid in the first round of the playoffs and also Stitt's "whiney" tone in the Trib. I definitely don't want him at UNC.
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I agree with 4j's. Based on the egg Mines laid in the first round of the playoffs and also Stitt's "whiney" tone in the Trib. I definitely don't want him at UNC.
FasterThanYou
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Kent State's (soon to be former) coach is available after going 4-7 this season. He is resigning.
But hey, FOUR AND SEVEN, it's starting to sound like a good thing.
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/33495/kent-state-coach-doug-martin-resigns
But hey, FOUR AND SEVEN, it's starting to sound like a good thing.
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/33495/kent-state-coach-doug-martin-resigns
uncfootballrules
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Not sure why everyone is going to the whiney tone with Stitt. To me it was a very matter of fact statement that UNC needs to pay better to attract better people. UNC had to go back to Boyle more than once offering more money - you get what you pay for. You want to bring in a "guy who wants to get it done" for peanuts you get Scott Downing. Come on people. :roll:
uncfootballrules said:
He was obviously publicly criticizing a prospective employer that had turned him down once before. He sounded more like a jilted lover than a prospective job candidate. I interpreted the contemptuous tone to sound more like a whine.
Anyhow, 100k per year is not peanuts--especially in Greeley where the cost of living is lower than most places. It may be if you compare it to the big time schools but how many of those are there? At most, 100-150 colleges pay significantly more than 100k to their head coaches. How many up and coming climbers making less than 100k are working their way through the ranks of NAIA through Division II? There's got to be 300 head college coaches making less than 100k and maybe thousands of coordinators making less. And these coaches know that if they come to UNC (like Tad Boyle) and turn this loser into a contender, then they are gonna get their payday from a major college.
uncfootballrules
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Yeah Hinrichs turning Stitt down last time around worked out really well didn't it? What do you think the total cost of Downing's hire was to the athletic department? Two parts to that answer - decline in donations and gate revenue. Do the math and you will see that it was a a hell of a lot more money than the "discount" Jay got on the salary.
Your argument about cost of living in Greeley doesn't mean a whole lot because it is pretty low in Idaho, Montana, Utah, etc. all of which pay more than UNC. We are not competing with D2 schools for coaching talent we should be above them.
My argument is that at some point you get what you pay for and I don't see how picking another clown who is being shown the door at Nebraska but will come here for cheap gets us where we want to go. Boyle did make a great move but they had to pay him to come first.
Your argument about cost of living in Greeley doesn't mean a whole lot because it is pretty low in Idaho, Montana, Utah, etc. all of which pay more than UNC. We are not competing with D2 schools for coaching talent we should be above them.
My argument is that at some point you get what you pay for and I don't see how picking another clown who is being shown the door at Nebraska but will come here for cheap gets us where we want to go. Boyle did make a great move but they had to pay him to come first.
uncfootballrules said:
The only schools we are competing against in our coaching search are the schools who are also looking for a coach right now. A coach is going to come here because it's an improvement over his current situation. If he's only making 50k right now, then 100k is going to be a great raise. Or a coach who is living on the east or west coasts making 100k now might consider the cost of living as a factor. He isn't going to turn it down because the Montana and Idaho coaches make more.
And I certainly don't deny how much hiring Downing cost this University. And I am certainly not saying we should hire any clowns who are being shown the door anywhere. We need to hire a guy with a lot of energy who has proven success in building programs at whatever level--which for us means D-II or lower. Basically, I'm envisioning the CSU-Pueblo coach or one like him.
Ursa Major
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uncfootballrules said:
Excellent point. I didn't think about overall cost.
I don't think that Stitt sounded whiny, he was just trying to point out that if he brought his staff, they would have to take a cut in pay. It's going to be interesting seeing who the committee comes up with. Interesting article on Stugart in the Trib, but I don't think he'd return. He knows Jay too well.
#1bearsfan
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uncfootballrules said:
You can't pay what you don't have. I believe at one point, when Downing was first hired, the athletic department was more than $1 million in the hole. What kind of financial condition is the athletic department in after four years of playing BCS schools and receiving fairly large paychecks and after being in the Big Sky for five years? What's the annual revenue from the conference? What's the revenue from TV?
Brian said:
You can complain all you want but the bottom line is it won't do any good until you back it up with money. We will not be successful until we boost our givings. I'm sure even Downing could have done better with a better staff. Most of our position coaches are very young inexperienced coaches who worked for peanuts. I have no hope regardless of the coach we bring in until our budget increases.
Blofeld
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Salary is one thing but this is a fully funded scholarship program, if I'm in the RMAC and have 24 scholarships the idea of being able to play with 63 would be quite attractive. Our facilities have modernized, Colorado is preferred state to recruit to vs. other areas in the region and we've all agreed the program has underachieved on the field. If I'm a coach worth my bones I watch game film and think I could have gotten 2 or 3 more wins this season alone, think about a year or two to do my thing, there is potential there. No reason we can't be what Eastern Washington is. I'll need to be convinced otherwise to not believe that.
Contray to what people are saying I think there are a lot of positives here. If that means I have to accept 110K instead of the 125K I want I think sometimes you have to see the bigger picture. Coaches are competetive and have egos and think they can win and if you win the money will follow. If Downing had won that contract he signed a year ago would have been quite a bit bigger than the pay cut he took to keep his job.
Contray to what people are saying I think there are a lot of positives here. If that means I have to accept 110K instead of the 125K I want I think sometimes you have to see the bigger picture. Coaches are competetive and have egos and think they can win and if you win the money will follow. If Downing had won that contract he signed a year ago would have been quite a bit bigger than the pay cut he took to keep his job.
