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The PAC-MWC Dominoes Begin to Fall/Conference Realignment
- Thread starter Kadeezy
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My gut says this doesn't leak unless there is some fire to this smoke. That said, I'll tamper my excitement until a formal announcement is made. The "no comment" from Hornet admin is very telling, and the article claiming conference sources stated that "they do have money" are positive indicators for this move. Overall I don't think there was a national writer that lined out all our positives in the manner that Dellinger did in this piece.
The MAC released its conference schedule in early March last year so this decision would align with a similar timeline for this years release. Interesting times ahead.
jdgaucho
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Shelling out big bucks for an FBS invite + a $5 million application fee is no joke.
But that's a good amount of resources just for a football-only situation. Additional women's scholarships would have to be added also.
It takes money to make money. In the grand scheme of things, $15M isn't a lot for an FBS program.
With the changes from scholarship count to roster count and the increases for the various sports, I'd have to take another look at the Title IX implications but I've been told we wouldn't have an issue absorbing the change across our women's sports.
FootballAlum84
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I can’t take this amount of unknown and uncertain anymore!!
Interesting comment from Dellenger about further upgrades still being made to Hornet Stadium to reach FBS standards. I wonder what exactly that entails or what the specificity of FBS standard is.
I have no problem with Hornet Stadium being called Meta Stadium if Zucky has another $100 million he wants to throw around to have his name on something.
Interesting comment from Dellenger about further upgrades still being made to Hornet Stadium to reach FBS standards. I wonder what exactly that entails or what the specificity of FBS standard is.
I have no problem with Hornet Stadium being called Meta Stadium if Zucky has another $100 million he wants to throw around to have his name on something.
jdgaucho
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$15 million up front + league revenues would go a ways at places like SJSU or Akron...
I mentioned the sports mix because (slightly OT) Cal Baptist is dropping three sports at the end of the school year including men's golf, which the Big West sponsors. They aren't poor and they don't have the burden of football either, yet they are slimming down.
LoveSacState
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The part I can’t get over is if it’s taking 10 million to join, how the MW is said to be against a team in its footprint with the money for NDSU that’s a tough pill to swallow. I know it’s cause of NDSU’s pedigree. But Sac has some pluses and so much potential how could you pass it up if your all of a sudden taking cash and FCS schools. I just don’t like the MAC move. Hopefully MW takes us both for the money.
It's all ego and posturing. The nPAC was "too good" to take on an FCS program and the MW did an excellent job scrambling to fill out a 9 football playing membership of current FBS programs that they don't need an FCS addition. Also knowing that the MW media deal barely matches their old deal, it means it went backwards when you factor in inflation (although it's a great deal from an exposure standpoint) so unless the Sacramento market would have given a major boost on the monetary side, our addition wasn't mathematically worth it.
With a MAC FB only move coupled with the nPAC and MW splitting a diluted west coast market share, we can prove our true FBS value/viewership and revisit the TV value/impact for the nPAC and/or MW later down the road. Our initial move to the MAC would just be an early chapter of our FBS saga.
jdgaucho
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I would also try to get a couple basketball games annually. A series with Akron or Kent State
FootballAlum84
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I do want the Hornets in FBS, but I fear for attendance on Tuesday-Thursday night MACtion games, off campus most likely, against the likes of UMASS, Buffalo, Akron… is anyone confident we will draw bigger crowds than Hornet Stadium just because our title is FBS possibly?
LoveSacState
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I have the same concern playing MAC teams..
ES2X
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Stranger things have happened than people lying about getting a PHD before. The superintendent of Des Moines Public Schools recently got found out that he did not obtain a doctoral degree from a Maryland university, as he has claimed for many years. Eventually deported the guy. Again Luke born in jail can't find out who their mother is how again? Can't ask his dad either?
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Anway done with that- Sac State to the MAC does it add up?:
Cons:
1. Huge travel distances for Sac State to every game.
2. No regional rival.
3. No TV deal first year.
4. $10 Million dollar entrance fee, plus $5million FBS move up fee- $15 million dollars.
5. Still need to invest a lot more money in some stadium site.. could bankrupt program if not handled correctly.
Pros:
1. Get to play in an FBS Conference
2. Get to travel to the Upper Midwest A lot (good if you like fish fries).
3. Eventually get I think a 900k annual TV deal after the 1st year is it?
4. Play on Tuesdays (or is this a con, not sure..)
What the MAC gets:
1. Decent sized media market in new footprint in California that is relatively underserved for FBS football, but could be cannibalized by the Bay area teams in "better" FBS conferences a bit, and would be more cannibalized if UC Davis ever moves up.
2. Large travel cost boost for members.
3. A West Coast team.. Not sure if that's what they want though.
You guys should just build the new stadium, then try and go Mountain West I think that's a better fit geographically.
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Anway done with that- Sac State to the MAC does it add up?:
Cons:
1. Huge travel distances for Sac State to every game.
2. No regional rival.
3. No TV deal first year.
4. $10 Million dollar entrance fee, plus $5million FBS move up fee- $15 million dollars.
5. Still need to invest a lot more money in some stadium site.. could bankrupt program if not handled correctly.
Pros:
1. Get to play in an FBS Conference
2. Get to travel to the Upper Midwest A lot (good if you like fish fries).
3. Eventually get I think a 900k annual TV deal after the 1st year is it?
4. Play on Tuesdays (or is this a con, not sure..)
What the MAC gets:
1. Decent sized media market in new footprint in California that is relatively underserved for FBS football, but could be cannibalized by the Bay area teams in "better" FBS conferences a bit, and would be more cannibalized if UC Davis ever moves up.
2. Large travel cost boost for members.
3. A West Coast team.. Not sure if that's what they want though.
You guys should just build the new stadium, then try and go Mountain West I think that's a better fit geographically.
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Super Hornet 2.0
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I have mixed feelings about this. I'm not a fan of ANY FCS program making this jump, and it seems that ND State is just a bit too far east of the Mountain West travel footprint for my taste. I recognize, though, that that doesn't mean much anymore with West Virginia playing in the Big XII and Cal/Stanford in the bloody ATLANTIC Coast Conference.
That said, ND State might be the best of the recent FBS move-ups, surpassing even the likes of Liberty and Coastal Carolina in terms of immediate success since the Mountain West has more "street cred" than either Conference USA or the Sun Belch.
But I have a feeling that state politics may rear its ugly head again. Back when Boise State left the Big Sky, the legislature forced them to take Idalol with them. ND State might similarly have to take North Dakota with them, and for rivalry's sake, SD State and perhaps South Dakota might join them. Would that turn the Missouri Valley into the Big South? Perhaps not, but it would be a significant hit.
How does this affect Sac? Maybe not too much in the interim, but my personal feelings about moving to FBS aside, Sac fits the Mountain West travel footprint much better than ND State does, and bringing the Manure Pile with us (we HAVE to maintain that rivalry whatever we do, IMO) would benefit the conference by having a wonderful CA pod (Sac, UCD, and SJSU). Plus, for member schools, it's bound to be much easier booking flights to SMF than to anywhere in the State of North Dakota, right?
The MWC is the best as far as footprint and play level for us. However, Sac State is a victim of a couple of things. MWC would choose Davis and NDSU over us because they are conservative, and methodical. This fits with the MWC culture. Schools like Fresno State and San Diego State constantly making overtures to the Pac and Boise State forcing concessions from the MWC is something they won't go through again if they don't have to. Sac State won't stay in the MWC if an opportunity came to leave and they know this.
Sac State is more in line with the other CA schools who have visions of grandeur or feelings of superiority. Except San Jose State. So culturally speaking, the Pac is better for us. Unfortunately, the very superiority complex of the Pac schools is what is keeping us out. MAC is not ideal, but may be the necessary first step.
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