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The PAC/MWC Dominoes Begin to Fall

If we had ready to go facilities this would be a no brainer.
I am sure MWC is skittish as Joser State promised facility upgrades when they were admitted to MWC and I dont think they have come close to fulfilling these obligations.

Tearing half of their stadium down to build a Costco type building on the other side was not a smart move.
 
Yeah. Still think Sac State already made their pitch to the MWC last season and we are in wait and see mode with them.

Nothing much left to vet. She can have Sac State if she wants. There is no leverage except the push for Sac State to get into the PAC-12.

Texas schools are the battle ground right now as those schools appear to have options. Sac doesn't.
 
Green Cookie Monster said:
If we had ready to go facilities this would be a no brainer.
I am sure MWC is skittish as Joser State promised facility upgrades when they were admitted to MWC and I dont think they have come close to fulfilling these obligations.

Tearing half of their stadium down to build a Costco type building on the other side was not a smart move.
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Oh, man, the SJSU stadium is so awkward looking and I keep thinking it's half done. We're not ones to talk about how stadiums look on TV, but CEIUSICUSICUI Stadium or whatever it is reminds me of the Portland State baseball field venue.

Hillsboro Stadium - Facilities - Portland State University Athletics

The official facilities page for the Portland State University Vikings
goviks.com goviks.com
 
Kadeezy said:
www.inforum.com

McFeely: While NDSU tempers FBS chatter, Sacramento State lets 'er rip

Unlike Bison bosses, boosters of California FCS school openly campaigning for spot in higher-level FBS
www.inforum.com www.inforum.com

Here's the text for those of you not savvy enough to bypass paywalls... 😉

Get a load of Sacramento State.

Boosters of that school in California's capital city, which is currently a member of the FCS Big Sky Conference, are openly campaigning to get Sac State into the Pac-12. Those doing the campaigning are not officially connected to the school, but ... c'mon.

Local politicians, alums and business owners formed the SAC 12 committee to advocate for the school in hopes it will get an invitation to the famed Pac-12. They are touting strengths in enrollment (30,000), television market size (2.4 million people in the metro, 20th largest TV market in the country) and on-the-field success (consistent top 10 FCS program) while selling the benefits of a move up to the community (national exposure, sports tourism dollars, prestige).

It is, quite starkly, the exact opposite of the approach NDSU is taking. And almost every other school that's wanted to change leagues or levels in recent years. University presidents, athletic directors and conference commissioners like to operate in the shadows on matters of conference realignment.

Sac State's boosters are letting 'er rip.

It seems unlikely a public campaign would sway the Pac-12 into inviting Sac State to join the party. The school's strengths and weaknesses are well-known by those in the league.

What's most interesting is the local sales job informing Sacramento businesses, residents and politicians about the benefits of moving up. There are advantages to being in an FBS conference compared to FCS and the committee is letting the locals know about them.

Larsen and NDSU are walking a delicate line when it comes to FBS. Understood. They don't want to be loud for reasons we've outlined. But they'd benefit from being better at public relations. Let fans and boosters know the upside to being FBS. Let them know NDSU is one of the few land-grant universities that's not already FBS. Let them know the Bison could get more games against the big boys from big conferences.

Let them know the good stuff.

There are things to sell here.

There are things about which to get excited.

Sacramento State's attention blitz isn't NDSU's style. We get it. But maybe just a little of that chutzpah couldn't hurt?
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Kadeezy said:
www.inforum.com

McFeely: While NDSU tempers FBS chatter, Sacramento State lets 'er rip

Unlike Bison bosses, boosters of California FCS school openly campaigning for spot in higher-level FBS
www.inforum.com www.inforum.com

Here's the text for those of you not savvy enough to bypass paywalls... 😉

Get a load of Sacramento State.

Boosters of that school in California's capital city, which is currently a member of the FCS Big Sky Conference, are openly campaigning to get Sac State into the Pac-12. Those doing the campaigning are not officially connected to the school, but ... c'mon.

Local politicians, alums and business owners formed the SAC 12 committee to advocate for the school in hopes it will get an invitation to the famed Pac-12. They are touting strengths in enrollment (30,000), television market size (2.4 million people in the metro, 20th largest TV market in the country) and on-the-field success (consistent top 10 FCS program) while selling the benefits of a move up to the community (national exposure, sports tourism dollars, prestige).

It is, quite starkly, the exact opposite of the approach NDSU is taking. And almost every other school that's wanted to change leagues or levels in recent years. University presidents, athletic directors and conference commissioners like to operate in the shadows on matters of conference realignment.

Sac State's boosters are letting 'er rip.

It seems unlikely a public campaign would sway the Pac-12 into inviting Sac State to join the party. The school's strengths and weaknesses are well-known by those in the league.

What's most interesting is the local sales job informing Sacramento businesses, residents and politicians about the benefits of moving up. There are advantages to being in an FBS conference compared to FCS and the committee is letting the locals know about them.

Larsen and NDSU are walking a delicate line when it comes to FBS. Understood. They don't want to be loud for reasons we've outlined. But they'd benefit from being better at public relations. Let fans and boosters know the upside to being FBS. Let them know NDSU is one of the few land-grant universities that's not already FBS. Let them know the Bison could get more games against the big boys from big conferences.

Let them know the good stuff.

There are things to sell here.

There are things about which to get excited.

Sacramento State's attention blitz isn't NDSU's style. We get it. But maybe just a little of that chutzpah couldn't hurt?
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Good News is we don’t care about Dakota School strategy.
Speed of business happens at different speeds geographically in our nation.
They have a great football team. That’s it! Nothing more! No TV market, No convenient geographical connection to PAC or MWC. They are in a jam unless they find 2 million new residents that like sports.
 
On the one hand, GCM is probably correct about the facilities. However, memories of my '95 road game at SJSU's stadium are a field in a bad condition. Seating was decent, but the field was bad. Hornet Stadium is quite the opposite: a rather nice field, but erector-set stands and no legit heads. That will have to be addressed QUICK if EITHER the Pac-6 or the MWC were to accept us. The SJSU-Sac game on TruTV this year, though, shows that the Spartans DID get their field fixed. If they can, so can we.

As you all know, I'm generally against this for the reasons I mentioned before. SD said my views were based on an older paradigm, and there's probably something to his argument. However, a lot of my concerns would be alleviated were we to get into the future Pac-6 with enough other teams to guarantee that the conference retains P-5 status. It's playoff viability I'm looking for: G-5 conferences really don't have that, even under the 12-team bracket. (I still hesitate to call it a playoff because not every conference that would choose to participate has an auto-bid.) If the playoff goes to 16 or 24 with auto-bids for everyone (I presume that there won't be FBS conferences screwing around like the Ivy League, the MEAC, and the SWAC), my qualms would completely disappear whether we get Pac-6, MWC, or even the one of the large-footprint G5 leagues. (Naturally, though, even if that DOES happen, just for footprint purposes, I'd prefer the Pac or the MWC.)
 
Whatever is decided for the upgrades to a stadium I hope that atmosphere is in consideration of how to design the stadium. Given that our administration does have experience with building Snapdragon for SDSU I’m afraid we might get something similar. I’ve been to a game at Snapdragon and it is nice in terms of amenities but maybe it’s just because SDSU football is Meh right now but it seemed too open and there wasn’t much atmosphere in the stadium. As big as Hornet Stadium currently is we’ve always lacked even better atmosphere due to fan distance from the field (among other things). One thing that could set the stands further away is any plan to having Sac Republic playing there. But let’s not put people further away than needed. If we’re starting with a blank canvas I want to see the stadium right up against the Broad (reasonably) and the seating right on top of the sidelines like Montana. From experience it really is challenging to play call and communicate in that setting. I saw someone in an earlier post referred to having a construction background, but not that the rest of us have any engineering or architecture degrees I’d love for them to take fan insight on how to design a stadium and what we would like from it. I’ll keep dreaming for now.
 
Good article by Yahoo's Ross Dellenger on the situation regarding the potential Pac12 poach of the top AAC members. There are some monetary estimates mentioned. AAC members would pay about $25M to leave the AAC (SMU paid this amount when they left for the ACC) and the estimated Pac12 deal is $12-$15M per year. AAC schools would incur about $2M in travel expenses annually.

So those AAC schools are going to have to determine if being in "the best of the rest" non-power conference (I don't think the Pac will ever get their power status back in the CFP era) is worth 2+ years of payouts in the Pac12.

As Hornet fans, we need another defection or 2 from the MW (likely UNLV and Air Force) to ensure a MW invite. I think our chances of of landing an MW invite are pretty strong now, but I have a hard time see us get passed over if the MW is down to 5 full members. The Pac12 is going to have to make moves really soon so we should see the other realignment shoe drop in the coming weeks.
 
Concern I have in the Sac12 five tenets is using the wording 'securing', how about 'secured'?

We promised BSC that we would have a functioning arena, 20+ yrs later......

MW is not going to sign hopes, dreams and giggles. They want concrete and steel, and a balance sheet, don't blame them.

37 yrs in Hornetdom and I havent seen anything like these tenets being reality. Definitely a doubting Thomas.

The recent $4m is just a COLA.
 
SDHornet said:
Good article by Yahoo's Ross Dellenger on the situation regarding the potential Pac12 poach of the top AAC members. There are some monetary estimates mentioned. AAC members would pay about $25M to leave the AAC (SMU paid this amount when they left for the ACC) and the estimated Pac12 deal is $12-$15M per year. AAC schools would incur about $2M in travel expenses annually.

So those AAC schools are going to have to determine if being in "the best of the rest" non-power conference (I don't think the Pac will ever get their power status back in the CFP era) is worth 2+ years of payouts in the Pac12.

As Hornet fans, we need another defection or 2 from the MW (likely UNLV and Air Force) to ensure a MW invite. I think our chances of of landing an MW invite are pretty strong now, but I have a hard time see us get passed over if the MW is down to 5 full members. The Pac12 is going to have to make moves really soon so we should see the other realignment shoe drop in the coming weeks.
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NM State, NM, Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, San Jose and Hawaii (fb only) who else would they backfill with? They need baseball and softball schools.

As impressive as Montucky and State are in football, they would have to dig deep to fund 2-3 more sports to meet FBS criteria and MWC requirements.
 
SDHornet said:
Good article by Yahoo's Ross Dellenger on the situation regarding the potential Pac12 poach of the top AAC members. There are some monetary estimates mentioned. AAC members would pay about $25M to leave the AAC (SMU paid this amount when they left for the ACC) and the estimated Pac12 deal is $12-$15M per year. AAC schools would incur about $2M in travel expenses annually.

So those AAC schools are going to have to determine if being in "the best of the rest" non-power conference (I don't think the Pac will ever get their power status back in the CFP era) is worth 2+ years of payouts in the Pac12.

As Hornet fans, we need another defection or 2 from the MW (likely UNLV and Air Force) to ensure a MW invite. I think our chances of of landing an MW invite are pretty strong now, but I have a hard time see us get passed over if the MW is down to 5 full members. The Pac12 is going to have to make moves really soon so we should see the other realignment shoe drop in the coming weeks.
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Good Points. Right now w MWC they are in no hurry. If I were them I’d take my time to evaluate all options.
I hope personally that both AF & UNLV stay in MWC because it will bring best stability for MWC. I want them to survive with or without us but I think we are too good to pass up with our big tv market that they need!$$$$
If we were unprepared then I’d be worried. We are FUNDED and even have our NIL $ secured.
For appearances MWC won’t want to look desperate w a quick move and say. “We lost Fresno st but gained sac st! Because it is bad optics until we had as big of a program and success in FBS. (Work to do!)
If two more leave MWC our offer would arrive faster. I agree. But I think we will be extended an invitation probably when they find the 2nd invite and they will announce at sometime in a press release. Might take few weeks.
 
Green Cookie Monster said:
Concern I have in the Sac12 five tenets is using the wording 'securing', how about 'secured'?

We promised BSC that we would have a functioning arena, 20+ yrs later......

MW is not going to sign hopes, dreams and giggles. They want concrete and steel, and a balance sheet, don't blame them.

37 yrs in Hornetdom and I havent seen anything like these tenets being reality. Definitely a doubting Thomas.

The recent $4m is just a COLA.
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I agree. I'm hanging my hat on the fact that these are city and state politicians and not just the Sac State administration making the promises. They were sitting on this and made their media push the day of the announcement of new schools going to the PAC-12. So the details have been worked on for some time presumably.

Time will tell.
 
The fact that the AAC teams are staying put helps us with the Pac-X pipe dream, and also makes it more likely that the PAC-X will continue to gut the MWC and we'll have a better shot there at a minimum.

Hoping for facility and funding announcements soon...
 
Kadeezy said:
The fact that the AAC teams are staying put helps us with the Pac-X pipe dream, and also makes it more likely that the PAC-X will continue to gut the MWC and we'll have a better shot there at a minimum.

Hoping for facility and funding announcements soon...
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If MWC can convince UNLV and Utah State to stay, (throw some of that newly found exit fee money at them) there is going to be a fight over a team like Sac State.

Where's my popcorn?
 
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