2015-16 Schedule

[weberwildcat]

lets make the schedule from what we know so far. is there a way to know what the big sky schedule is when you don't play everyone twice?

ooc games?
1. @ Utah Valley
2. @ BYU or neutral?
3. Utah State
4. Non DI
5. Non DI
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

conf games?
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.

 

[n.ogdencat]

That is about it.

We can count on playing both SUU and ISU twice in league.

 

[Webergrad02]

Okay its this years addition of what I would do if I got to make the schedule.

This is the first year that we don't have a return game from the Bracket Buster lined up. That was a positive thing from the bracket buster that doesn't exist anymore.

I would first call North Dakota State, Stephen F Austin and other non conference schools we have played in football to see if we can parlay our previous relationship into a home and home.

I would then call the teams we played in Paradise Jam to see if we could line up games for next season. They most likely would need to be on the road.

I would try to get into another exempt pre-season tournament, but you seem to be a hotter commodity when you are returning players from an NCAA tournament team.

I would call the Big West and set up some kind of Showcase at Energy Solutions this year and down in Anaheim next year. The 3 top Big Sky teams take on the top Big West teams. Maybe you add the Summit and rotate the showcase between the 3 conferences. Maybe set up our own 3 conference bracket buster with return games the next year.

Every year I would call Denver, Seattle, Grand Canyon, New Mexico State and any other regional mid major D1 school for home and home.

I would offer some regional schools a 2 for 1. I am sure we will be playing a game or two in the state of Texas.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

So, how can you 'er done? My bet is most items you would do aren't even an afterthought of those building the schedule. Like your previous editions, I really can't see how any of the items being mentioned wouldn't be a positive thing for players, coaches, schools, and fans alike. Maybe the only thing I'd lean a little differently towards is avoiding any who will not consider H-n-H and/or neutral tournament play.

 

[PURPLEFORLIFE]

Okay its this years addition of what I would do if I got to make the schedule.

This is the first year that we don't have a return game from the Bracket Buster lined up. That was a positive thing from the bracket buster that doesn't exist anymore.

I would first call North Dakota State, Stephen F Austin and other non conference schools we have played in football to see if we can parlay our previous relationship into a home and home.

I would then call the teams we played in Paradise Jam to see if we could line up games for next season. They most likely would need to be on the road.

I would try to get into another exempt pre-season tournament, but you seem to be a hotter commodity when you are returning players from an NCAA tournament team.

I would call the Big West and set up some kind of Showcase at Energy Solutions this year and down in Anaheim next year. The 3 top Big Sky teams take on the top Big West teams. Maybe you add the Summit and rotate the showcase between the 3 conferences. Maybe set up our own 3 conference bracket buster with return games the next year.

Every year I would call Denver, Seattle, Grand Canyon, New Mexico State and any other regional mid major D1 school for home and home.

I would offer some regional schools a 2 for 1. I am sure we will be playing a game or two in the state of Texas.

Nice thoughts. I would like to see some of these things happen. Why doesn't Fullerton try to set something up with another conference. Yes, we would all love to see the WCC or Big West, maybe even the Missouri Valley, but in all likelihood those things are not going to happen. A conference challenge against the Summit or Southland would be possible. Stay away from the WAC. We do not want to be seen as being on the same level as that garbage.

 

[n.ogdencat]

GULF COAST SHOWCASE!!

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I don't know how accurate this is. But if it is true this is a great tournament to belong to. Drake, Western Kentucky, Duquesne, Pepperdine, and Weber as of right now. It is suppose to be an 8 team tournament. So there are three teams that haven't announced or been selected yet. I've also heard a rumor, so this isn't the best news, that USU is asking Weber to participate in the Gossner Cheese Classic again.

Gulf Coast Showcase, is played in Fort Myers Florida at the Germain Arena that is the home of the Florida Everblades.

From past years the tournament has 8 teams and every team plays three games in four days November 23, 24, and 25.

 

[oldrunner]

This is great!

My wife would love to travel to Florida. Fort Myers is located within a stone's throw of a lot of attractions. This could be a nice little getaway. :thumb: :thumb:

 

[wildkyle]

I used to live in Florida so I would love to go.

 

[PURPLEFORLIFE]

So we know that the Cats have 6 DI pre-season games for 2015-16. I figure that there will be at least two lower-level teams (Crestwood Care Center and McKay Nurses Association), and at least 1 guarantee money game (like the Oklahoma game last year). That means we will end up with 9 right now. Will the coaching staff actually get another DI home game this season? It is looking more and more likely that Randy Rahe's team will only have 1 DI home game (Utah State). That really stinks!

 

[Cats meow!]

Rahe is not interested in playing D1 competition..... its easier to tell you that other teams fear Weber State and refuse to come to Ogden. We've been buying that crap for years.

Weber State doesn't seem to understand that you improve by playing competitive teams... its easier to play lesser programs and get your win totals up! If we do play in Florida, at least it'll give us a chance to gauge our progress against D1 competition. Then we can get back to the DEE and play Presentation College........

My position is to boycott that game at the DEE where they bring in Sisters of our Mercy........ tired of paying to see subpar competition. In my opinion the program is taking a step back at a time where it should be moving forward!

 

[n.ogdencat]

Regrettably, Weber State is considered a Low-Major program. We don't like to admit that, but due to conference affiliation/RPI, that is where we are at. There are a lot of programs who will not come to Ogden purely based on that. They think traveling to Ogden is beneath their program's dignity. What is sad is that we are very lucky to still see USU and BYU willing to come to Ogden. The chances of ever seeing Utah come to Ogden again is extremely small.

Another issue is that the university/program does not have the money to buy guaranteed games. Sure there are a lot of Low-major and Mid-major programs that Weber could contact, but why would they want to travel across the country to come to Ogden Utah? They want an incentive or closer games. A lot of teams can get better deals closer to home.

Final issue, most teams, since the NCAA won't restrict the number of home OOC games a program can schedule, want a lot of home games. Major teams and a lot of mid-majors won't do a home and home with a team they feel is beneath them and can't provide any additional incentives. Plus they can buy 10 home games. Why leave if they can play all their games in the safe confines of their home stadiums?

At a luncheon a year or so ago, I suggested contacting teams like Louisiana Monroe or North Carolina A&M, coach laughed at that idea. He said they aren't going to fly to Utah to get beat and that they don't think they could beat Weber when we traveled there the next year. Two losses don't sound good to a lot of coaches who keep their jobs based on amount of success and number of wins. Kinda the same reasons we see Bristol and St. Katherines :rofl: ; except that is all Weber can afford.

 

[Da Bears]

Regrettably, Weber State is considered a Low-Major program. We don't like to admit that, but due to conference affiliation/RPI, that is where we are at. There are a lot of programs who will not come to Ogden purely based on that. They think traveling to Ogden is beneath their program's dignity. What is sad is that we are very lucky to still see USU and BYU willing to come to Ogden. The chances of ever seeing Utah come to Ogden again is extremely small.

Another issue is that the university/program does not have the money to buy guaranteed games. Sure there are a lot of Low-major and Mid-major programs that Weber could contact, but why would they want to travel across the country to come to Ogden Utah? They want an incentive or closer games. A lot of teams can get better deals closer to home.

Final issue, most teams, since the NCAA won't restrict the number of home OOC games a program can schedule, want a lot of home games. Major teams and a lot of mid-majors won't do a home and home with a team they feel is beneath them and can't provide any additional incentives. Plus they can buy 10 home games. Why leave if they can play all their games in the safe confines of their home stadiums?

At a luncheon a year or so ago, I suggested contacting teams like Louisiana Monroe or North Carolina A&M, coach laughed at that idea. He said they aren't going to fly to Utah to get beat and that they don't think they could beat Weber when we traveled there the next year. Two losses don't sound good to a lot of coaches who keep their jobs based on amount of success and number of wins. Kinda the same reasons we see Bristol and St. Katherines :rofl: ; except that is all Weber can afford.

Tal...... sounds good, but just isn't true.
There are teams in the Summit league, MWC and WCC that would love to schedule home and home with Weber. The problem is not travel or money, its the desire to play a competitive schedule. Maybe the problem is that Rahe doesn't want the losses on his record. Denver University played ISU in Denver, EWU played a very strong OCC schedule last year. Grand Canyon in Arizona would be a worthy opponent. I'm having a hard time believing that Weber State is so strong that no one wants to play us. I'm tired of all the unearned adulation....... Weber is located 30 minutes away from a major airport and isn't a difficult travel destination. Its hard to understand why teams would fear a team with a losing record and that actually performed poorly at home last year.

I'm calling bull on this one. :tothehand:

 

[n.ogdencat]

Regrettably, Weber State is considered a Low-Major program. We don't like to admit that, but due to conference affiliation/RPI, that is where we are at. There are a lot of programs who will not come to Ogden purely based on that. They think traveling to Ogden is beneath their program's dignity. What is sad is that we are very lucky to still see USU and BYU willing to come to Ogden. The chances of ever seeing Utah come to Ogden again is extremely small.

Another issue is that the university/program does not have the money to buy guaranteed games. Sure there are a lot of Low-major and Mid-major programs that Weber could contact, but why would they want to travel across the country to come to Ogden Utah? They want an incentive or closer games. A lot of teams can get better deals closer to home.

Final issue, most teams, since the NCAA won't restrict the number of home OOC games a program can schedule, want a lot of home games. Major teams and a lot of mid-majors won't do a home and home with a team they feel is beneath them and can't provide any additional incentives. Plus they can buy 10 home games. Why leave if they can play all their games in the safe confines of their home stadiums?

At a luncheon a year or so ago, I suggested contacting teams like Louisiana Monroe or North Carolina A&M, coach laughed at that idea. He said they aren't going to fly to Utah to get beat and that they don't think they could beat Weber when we traveled there the next year. Two losses don't sound good to a lot of coaches who keep their jobs based on amount of success and number of wins. Kinda the same reasons we see Bristol and St. Katherines :rofl: ; except that is all Weber can afford.

Tal...... sounds good, but just isn't true.
There are teams in the Summit league, MWC and WCC that would love to schedule home and home with Weber. The problem is not travel or money, its the desire to play a competitive schedule. Maybe the problem is that Rahe doesn't want the losses on his record. Denver University played ISU in Denver, EWU played a very strong OCC schedule last year. Grand Canyon in Arizona would be a worthy opponent. I'm having a hard time believing that Weber State is so strong that no one wants to play us. I'm tired of all the unearned adulation....... Weber is located 30 minutes away from a major airport and isn't a difficult travel destination. Its hard to understand why teams would fear a team with a losing record and that actually performed poorly at home last year.

I'm calling bull on this one. :tothehand:

Give Randy a call. I'm sure he would love to talk to the coaches you know so well, that you are aware of their scheduling objectives. He'd love to get some home and homes with them. Heavens I didn't know you had such connections. You'd be a serious asset for Randy and the AD with all Of your inside information and associations with WCC and Summit League coaches. By the way tell Dan at Grand Canyon I'm a huge fan. Loved his years with the Suns. Sounds like you go to lunch with him weekly. :roll:

Our road schedule has been pretty tough every year Randy has been here. I didn't think that was the issue. I was under the impression that we were discussing home games. Of course any team from a like conference would like to play us at their place. That is fine and I'm all for it as long as that team is willing to come back to Ogden. Why go to Denver if they won't come back to Ogden? That's the issue. These are programs that we see as being at our level that should agree to a home and home. They just aren't going to do it. Only time the Cats should play a road game with a Denver or especially a Grand Canyon those teams should be coming to Ogden as part of the arrangement. If we play on the road and that team doesn't come back to Ogden hopefully Weber is bringing home a hefty check. It would be nice to be able to buy a couple of games against DI schools each year. It just isn't going to happen, because well, we have no money to buy games, and because our conferences RPI stinks. Finally, until this season, Webers Dee has been an extremely challenging destination for opposing teams. Teams want an incentive to come to Ogden. Money or playing a strong Mid-Major in a strong conference to help their notoriety.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Mycats...I'm a fan of your stuff, and I totally get the scheduling frustrations. It is sad to see so many regional teams that Weber never seems to try to play. I'm sure the coaches want to get games close to where the recruits are from, but if that isn't possible at least try to create relationships with some other programs throughout the region. I'd love to play Denver home and home...Drake? South Dakota? Santa Clara? Yikes there are 350 DI teams...there has got to be somebody. So I get your frustration. Sorry for being a real doosh.

 

[Midmajor??]

Mycats...I'm a fan of your stuff, and I totally get the scheduling frustrations. It is sad to see so many regional teams that Weber never seems to try to play. I'm sure the coaches want to get games close to where the recruits are from, but if that isn't possible at least try to create relationships with some other programs throughout the region. I'd love to play Denver home and home...Drake? South Dakota? Santa Clara? Yikes there are 350 DI teams...there has got to be somebody. So I get your frustration. Sorry for being a real doosh.

Funny stuff! At the risk of being negative, I don't believe the PR line that no one wants to play big bad Weber State at home. Home and homes with the right schools will only improve our program..... I think the issue is that we have an AD and Coaching staff that's just not ready for prime time. They think small, so we'll remain small.

350 teams in D1....... We are around 250 and teams are afraid to play us? Did Randy really say that with a straight face? I don't know if I'm more disappointed in Randy telling us that or Tal believing and repeating it! :rofl:

 

[Itiger]

Mycats...I'm a fan of your stuff, and I totally get the scheduling frustrations. It is sad to see so many regional teams that Weber never seems to try to play. I'm sure the coaches want to get games close to where the recruits are from, but if that isn't possible at least try to create relationships with some other programs throughout the region. I'd love to play Denver home and home...Drake? South Dakota? Santa Clara? Yikes there are 350 DI teams...there has got to be somebody. So I get your frustration. Sorry for being a real doosh.

Funny stuff! At the risk of being negative, I don't believe the PR line that no one wants to play big bad Weber State at home. Home and homes with the right schools will only improve our program..... I think the issue is that we have an AD and Coaching staff that's just not ready for prime time. They think small, so we'll remain small.

350 teams in D1....... We are around 250 and teams are afraid to play us? Did Randy really say that with a straight face? I don't know if I'm more disappointed in Randy telling us that or Tal believing and repeating it! :rofl:

Mid..... Disappointing that you won't just fall in line and believe what you're told. It's great to think that other teams fear a team with a less than .500 record and refuse to play us at home. Ask Southern Utah..... You can't get a win at the Dee! There seems to be a lot of myths about Weber State basketball and its reaching epic levels...... Yes, there are over 250 D1 teams ranked higher than Weber, but none of them want to play at the Dee. Why come to Ogden for a quick loss? Why come to the Dee and get abused by the toughest student section in the west!

There's a lot of excitement about playing Presentation College and other cupcakes at the Dee! What would the program gain by doing a home and home with Grand Canyon? :wall:

 

[Cats meow!]

There comes a time where it's counterproductive to care more than the AD and Coach. They're happy with big wins over junior varsity programs and it's not going to change! If they don't care about playing better against in state rivals, do you think they care about OOC games? Bovee tweets about his peers within the NCAA and wishes them well in their new roles. If they're so chummy, convince them to play Weber State! It's one thing to not be excited to see a game against a team you've never heard of...... Bigger when you've never heard of the school, google them and find out they opened 3 years ago! Doesn't sound like a worthy opponent to me!

 

[oldrunner]

There will always be a couple of patsies on our pre season schedule. That same thing is true of nearly every schedule in the country. Many of you don't seem to think so, but Randy is always trying to get home-n-homes with quality programs. It isn't as easy as some of you seem to think. We go on the road for one or two 'money' games every year. Those teams pay for the privilege of not returning the game. We pocket the money and use it for recruiting and other enhancements. There are also teams that we pay to come in to the Dee. We have much less to pay, so they get much less and we get less of a team to play against. Other teams on our level do the same sort of thing. Teams a bit below our level try to play more 'money' games to generate revenue that they are not bringing in through any other means. Home-n-homes make the most sense when teams are on the same level and are geographically close for travel expenses to be low. Otherwise, nobody wants to do it.

Sure, a team like Grand Canyon may be interested, but are we interested in helping them get to our level by traveling to their place? I'm not so sure. Can we pay them to come in? No, they are going to get their 'money' games from programs who can afford to pay a little more. This whole scheduling thing is a total mess, and the NCAA stay clear of that debate, just like the officiating debate.

 

[Cats meow!]

There will always be a couple of patsies on our pre season schedule. That same thing is true of nearly every schedule in the country. Many of you don't seem to think so, but Randy is always trying to get home-n-homes with quality programs. It isn't as easy as some of you seem to think. We go on the road for one or two 'money' games every year. Those teams pay for the privilege of not returning the game. We pocket the money and use it for recruiting and other enhancements. There are also teams that we pay to come in to the Dee. We have much less to pay, so they get much less and we get less of a team to play against. Other teams on our level do the same sort of thing. Teams a bit below our level try to play more 'money' games to generate revenue that they are not bringing in through any other means. Home-n-homes make the most sense when teams are on the same level and are geographically close for travel expenses to be low. Otherwise, nobody wants to do it.

Sure, a team like Grand Canyon may be interested, but are we interested in helping them get to our level by traveling to their place? I'm not so sure. Can we pay them to come in? No, they are going to get their 'money' games from programs who can afford to pay a little more. This whole scheduling thing is a total mess, and the NCAA stay clear of that debate, just like the officiating debate.

http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-rpi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Weber came in 260 in the final RPI out of 351 D1 teams. There's a realization that we might be considered as the Patsy. I'd rather play a competitive game against a Grand Canyon than a blow out against a non D1 program. Tal would come just to see Thunder Dan!

 

[Da Bears]

There will always be a couple of patsies on our pre season schedule. That same thing is true of nearly every schedule in the country. Many of you don't seem to think so, but Randy is always trying to get home-n-homes with quality programs. It isn't as easy as some of you seem to think. We go on the road for one or two 'money' games every year. Those teams pay for the privilege of not returning the game. We pocket the money and use it for recruiting and other enhancements. There are also teams that we pay to come in to the Dee. We have much less to pay, so they get much less and we get less of a team to play against. Other teams on our level do the same sort of thing. Teams a bit below our level try to play more 'money' games to generate revenue that they are not bringing in through any other means. Home-n-homes make the most sense when teams are on the same level and are geographically close for travel expenses to be low. Otherwise, nobody wants to do it.

Sure, a team like Grand Canyon may be interested, but are we interested in helping them get to our level by traveling to their place? I'm not so sure. Can we pay them to come in? No, they are going to get their 'money' games from programs who can afford to pay a little more. This whole scheduling thing is a total mess, and the NCAA stay clear of that debate, just like the officiating debate.

http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-rpi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Weber came in 260 in the final RPI out of 351 D1 teams. There's a realization that we might be considered as the Patsy. I'd rather play a competitive game against a Grand Canyon than a blow out against a non D1 program. Tal would come just to see Thunder Dan!

Depressing...... :shock: looking at the teams ranked ahead of Weber and they're programs that I thought we owned. How could Denver and all these other weak programs be ranked higher than Weber State? Have we fallen that far? Tal...... So programs are afraid to come to the Dee? Geez hno