2016/17 schedule

[WILDCAT]

Yeah I know this season isn't over and this Wildcat team has AT LEAST one game left, but I'm bored so let's get to it.

What we know
Home
BYU
Utah Valley
Denver (if Denver was a home and home)
At least one pasty


Road
Utah State
Possible preseason tourney

I know Weber likes to play lower division teams for tune ups, but after the exhibition games Weber should play at a max only 1. I hear the old saying that nobody wants to play at the Dee for fear of losing, which is probably partly right, but I'm sure most of it is due to Weber not wanting to pay the money to get them here, heck even if it means a two for one, let's approach a team like St. Mary's or Gonzaga, Witchita State or even some of the Mountain West powers and try to negotiate two for ones. And if we are having trouble still getting teams to play at the Dee, let's hit the road and play some guarantee games, let's go play at Texas or Kansas, or any of the 11 PAC 12 schools. I would rather Weber play those teams instead of at home against 3 pasties. I want to watch Weber play at home, but not against Antelope Valley. Heck North Dakota got Northern Iowa at home why can't we?

Over the last few weeks we have been hearing all the talk about strength of schedules and trying to better the conference, this is how Weber does their part, by improving their schedules and improving themselves.

 

[wazzuwildcat03]

BYU is a road game next year. This past year was considered a neutral game so we have to go to Provo next year. The only OOC in state home game we get next year is UVU. I'm pretty sure we will get Denver at home and it very well could be UVU and Denver as the only OOC home games. That would suck nuts. I hope we can get at least 2 more D1 home OOC games, but I'm not getting my hopes up. I'm sure we will play 3 teams my church ball team could probably beat instead.

 

[weberwildcat]

Sadly no BYU, USU or Utes at home. I think first time since mid 70s excluding the delta center tourney in 90s. This may be our worst home schedule in school history coming.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Only ones we know for sure are Denver and UVU at home, and USU and BYU on the road. I'm sure they'll try to get into another tournament. I like the home and home in the same season like they did with SDSU, so I'm hoping for that, at least.

 

[WILDCAT]

So.......I thought BYU was using the Delta Center as a home game since the Marry young Center was hosting a different event? Plus ESPN has it as a road game for us and a home game for BYU.

But if that is the case and Weber really only does have UVU, and Denver scheduled for home, Weber better get their pocketbook out and pay some money to get a good home schedule put together.

 

[weberwildcat]

So.......I thought BYU was using the Delta Center as a home game since the Marry young Center was hosting a different event? Plus ESPN has it as a road game for us and a home game for BYU.

But if that is the case and Weber really only does have UVU, and Denver scheduled for home, Weber better get their pocketbook out and pay some money to get a good home schedule put together.

hopefully there is some way we can have 1 or 2 good home games. past trend of last decade says otherwise unfortunately if there is no usu/utes/byu.

 

[WILDCAT]

Also who do you think will be the 4 teams we only play once in conference this year. So far NAU and SUU are the only two we haven't played only once.

First year
@ UND
@UNC
CSUS
PSU

Second Year
@ UI
@ EWU
UM
MSU

3rd year I'm predicting this
@ NAU
@ SUU
UND
UNC

Making the 4th year
@ PSU
@ CSUS
UI
EWU

And the 5th
@ UM
@MSU
NAU
SUU

Or it could be this

3rd year
NAU
SUU
@ CSUS
@ PSU

4th Year
UND
UNC
@ UM
@ MSU

5th year
EWU
UI
@ SUU
@ NAU


But I'm putting my money on the first option

 

[Geo-Guy15]

It's unfortunate that we won't get BYU or USU at home this year... Scheduling for mid major schools is getting more and more difficult...

So if we have 31 regular season games...
18 - Big Sky conference games
3 - early season tournament (hopefully)
@BYU
@USU
UVU
Denver
Probably 2 DII or NAIA games at home

That leaves us 4 more games that need to be scheduled...

I'd LOVE to see us do some series with Mountain West schools. We should be willing to do 2 for 1 deals on these. I'd love to see us play UNLV, Nevada, Boise State, Wyoming, etc... These teams are not unbeatable and are definitely more respected than anyone in the Big Sky.

Also, I think we ought to do an away game at a Power Conference team. We'd probably get curb stomped but even if we lose it boosts our rpi. If everyone in the Big Sky did this, it would boost the conference's rpi and we might be looking at the Big Sky Champ getting a 14 seed instead of a 15/16 every year. It would also be fun to see how we compare with big time teams.

I'd love for us to schedule home and homes with any of the WCC teams.

Home and home series with any of the WAC/Big West/Summit League teams would be acceptable.

I really hope they get at least a few decent ooc home games this year, although I understand the immense challenges...

 

[Webergrad02]

1. We can't get hung up on the fact that we need 16 home games next season. We know we will have 9 conference games. So if we end up with 5 or 6 other home games lets be okay with it and do a few more neutral or road games.
2. Only bring in one non D1 team as a tune up before conference play starts. And lets have that team be Dixie or Westminster or someone local.
3. Look for schools like SDSU that are in the same boat as us. Loved that home and home we were able to do. I would like to see us reach out to: Omaha, North Dakota State, Grand Canyon, New Mexico State and any UC school that will play us at home.
4. Someone mentioned to me that most of the schools that played in the Gulf Coast Showcase with us were also sponsored by Adidas. I t made me think that we use the were on the same "team" card and try to schedule some schools also sponsored by Adidas. Maybe Adidas' brightest basketball star would want to help us line up games with fellow Adidas schools.

Here is the current list of schools sponsored by Adidas:
United States Akron Zips
United States Arizona State Sun Devils
United States Arkansas State Red Wolves
United States Bellarmine Knights
United States Black Hills State Yellow Jackets
United States Brown Bears
United States Bucknell Bison
United States Central Michigan Chippewas
United States Centre Colonels
United States Denver Pioneers
United States Delaware Blue Hens
United States Duquesne Dukes
United States Durham College
United States Drake Bulldogs
United States Eastern Illinois University
United States Eastern Michigan Eagles
United States Eastern Washington Eagles
United States FIU Panthers
United States Florida Atlantic Owls
United States Franciscan Barons
United States Georgia Southern Eagles
United States Grand Valley State Lakers
United States High Point Panthers
United States Hope College Flying Dutchmen
United States Howard Payne University
United States Iona Gaels
United States Indiana Hoosiers
United States Jacksonville State Gamecocks
United States Kansas Jayhawks
United States Kennesaw State Owls
United States Lindenwood Lions[9]
United States Longwood Lancers
United States Lewis University
United States Louisiana–Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns
United States Louisiana–Monroe Warhawks
United States Louisville Cardinals
United States Loyola Marymount Lions
United States Lyndon State Hornets
United States Maine Black Bears
United States Manhattan Jaspers
United States Mercer Bears
United States Miami Hurricanes
United States Miami RedHawks
United States Milwaukee Panthers
United States Mississippi State Bulldogs
United States Mount Olive Trojans
United States Nebraska Cornhuskers
United States Nebraska-Omaha Mavericks
United States New Mexico State Aggies
United States Newberry Wolves
United States NC State Wolfpack
United States NIU Huskies
United States Northwest Missouri State Bearcats
United States Occidental College
United States Rider University
United States Sacramento State Hornets
United States Sacred Heart Pioneers
United States Saint Mary's Gaels
United States SIU Edwardsville Cougars
United States SMU Mustangs
United States Southeastern Louisiana Lions
United States Texas A&M Aggies
United States Texas State Bobcats
United States Troy Trojans
United States UC Davis Aggies
United States UC Irvine Anteaters
United States UCLA Bruins
United States UC Merced Golden Bobcats (2012–15)
United States UC Riverside Highlanders
United States UIC Flames
United States UMass Minutemen
United States West Alabama Tigers
United States United States Coast Guard Academy
United States University of Rhode Island
United States University of Puget Sound Loggers
United States UNCW Seahawks
United States Utah Valley Wolverines
United States UTSA Roadrunners football
United States Vermont Catamounts
United States Weber State Wildcats
United States Western Michigan Broncos
United States Wofford Terriers

 

[n.ogdencat]

Heard the Cats might be in a tourny that they will get 3 guaranteed games.

 

[UtahPirate]

Heard the Cats might be in a tourny that they will get 3 guaranteed games.

I'm hardly the one to be a Wildcat insider (like Tal), but I also heard the same thing (from a good source -- which I will not reveal :shock.

 

[baller]

For one, I would like to see Weber get determined to upgrade their schedule in an attempt to improve their bracket in the NCAA's to something better than 15. If we are to become a more nationally respected program we have to start with better scheduling.

Here are some teams that Weber should be trying to play on a, no matter what arrangement basis, to improve their schedule. Weber RPI at 108 should be attractive enough to all not to hurt their own score. For some of the higher RPI teams it means a solid opponent who won't hurt their strength of schedule and give them a somewhat assured win.

The first group has RPI's at 100 or better:
Utah (9) - Yes, I know the don't want to play us. But I say keep trying even on their court only...
Dayton (21) - their court only.
Arizona (29) - their court only.
South Dakota State (31) - home and home.
St. Mary's (40) - try to get them to play in Ogden with good money payout for them, or at their place 2/1.
Chattanooga (53) - we played them before at their place. Lets do it again.
Fresno St. (69) - their court only, or two for one.
Stephen F. Austin (71) - home and home. They struggle for games also.
UC Irvine - (75) home and home.
BYU (76) - already scheduled
Long Beach State (81) - home and home.
Grand Canyon - (92) - home and home.
UC Santa Barbara (97) - home and home.
Arizona State (98) - their place.

The second 100 RPI teams: Many of these schools are natural opponents and playing Weber would give them strength in their schedules without having to play at someone else's place and having to play a team that guarantees them a loss.
Boise State (102) - why can't we play them at their place?
UT Arlington (106) - home and home. Done it before lets do it again.
New Mexico State (113) - home and home.
Nevada (117) - home and home.
CS Bakersfield (123) home and home.
Pepperdine (131) - home and home.
North Dakota St. (135) - home and home.
UNLV (141) - they are usually higher and we should be willing to play 2/1 or at their place only.
New Mexico (143) - their place only, if necessary, or 2/1 if we can.
Oral Roberts (149) - I know, they probably don't want to play us again, but lets try.
USU (151) - already arranged.
Wyoming (184) - home and home.
Denver (193) - already done. Keep it alive for future years.
South Dakota (195) - home and home.

At just a cursory look I have produced 28 teams that Weber has former relationships with that could help to lead to new scheduling. I am sure that there are many more. The Mid-Major schools are all having problems scheduling. I don't understand why they won't play each other more on a home and home basis in an attempt to upgrade scheduling. Stop all this Multnomah and Pacific Union nonsense. It is killing Weber's bracket placement and killing the support of fans that home games are such a joke.

If our goal is to play 30-31 games before the conference tournament it could be done if we play:
18 - conference games (9 at home)
2 - already annually scheduled BYU & USU.
1 - play UVU every year on a home and home basis. Should be doable now that Hunsaker's gone.
3 - get in one tournament every year.
4 - additional 100-200 RPI rated teams. Two at home & two on the road.
1 - patsy for the last home game before conference begins. Yes, Westminster, Dixie is good here...
2 - play any top 100 team who will play us at their place. Anybody, no matter how difficult!

Thats 31 games, 14 @home & 17 on the road (9 conference & 8 non-conf).
With this scheduling Weber substantially upgrades its schedule. It leads to better recruits if they know they get to play some top-level teams and have a chance for the NCAA's with something better than a 15 or 16 seed.

Come on athletics - step your game up! Raise the money to play additional legit teams @ home if you don't have it now. Go on the road more and play some nationally prominent teams. If you are good enough to play them well it will help tremendously in seeding at the NCAA's and also help with prep for the team to dominate a weak big sky.

For top conference teams they can survive a weak and at home pre-conference schedule. No Big Sky school can play a weak pre-season schedule and hope to get better than a 15 seed. We can do it, just have to raise our sights and go for broke. And the bonus is you will begin to grow your attendance (more money) again.

 

[SWeberCat02]

I just hope Rahe learned his lesson from last season that playing 3 non-D1 games is totally and completely UNACCEPTABLE.

 

[oldrunner]

I'm with you 100%, baller. I'm sure that Rahe is 100% with you as well. I'm not trying to make any excuses, but it probably is not as easy as you make it sound.

One patsy for an exhibition game and one additional patsy before conference is plenty. Part of the problem, in the west, is that the MWC and the WCC think they are big time. They think if they pretend to be the PAC12, that it will happen. It's a little pathetic if you ask me, but those teams are refusing to play BSC teams on the road. I really wish the NCAA would set some rules to level the playing field a bit, but that seems quite unlikely. We all know who runs the show at the NCAA. It's the Dukes, the Kentuckys, and the NCs of the world. It is not the St Mary's, BYUs. or Webers. Part of the problem lies at the feet of the mid major, high major wanabees who truly believe they have a chance to be accepted into the clubhouse. The mid majors could push through an agenda if they would just stand together, but they don't. They remain passive and allow the tail to wag the dog. hno:

 

[ajwildcat]

I'm with you 100%, baller. I'm sure that Rahe is 100% with you as well. I'm not trying to make any excuses, but it probably is not as easy as you make it sound.

One patsy for an exhibition game and one additional patsy before conference is plenty. Part of the problem, in the west, is that the MWC and the WCC think they are big time. They think if they pretend to be the PAC12, that it will happen. It's a little pathetic if you ask me, but those teams are refusing to play BSC teams on the road. I really wish the NCAA would set some rules to level the playing field a bit, but that seems quite unlikely. We all know who runs the show at the NCAA. It's the Dukes, the Kentuckys, and the NCs of the world. It is not the St Mary's, BYUs. or Webers. Part of the problem lies at the feet of the mid major, high major wanabees who truly believe they have a chance to be accepted into the clubhouse. The mid majors could push through an agenda if they would just stand together, but they don't. They remain passive and allow the tail to wag the dog. hno:

Oh horse CRAP!!! Just this last season the Idaho Vandals HOSTED a Pac12 School. Every single year other Big Sky teams HOST Mountain west and WCC games. Dont give me the excuse that they wont play the Big SKy.
Check out this tourney that EWU got into and actually gets to host a game or 2 http://goeags.com/news/2016/3/31/mens-basketball-eastern-to-play-and-host-games-in-2016-legends-classic.aspx Why in the HELL can't Weber ever get this type of thing?
I'm tired of the excuses!

 

[baller]

Bottom line - no more 200+ RPI teams! Must stop including those Division 2, 3 & NAIA etc teams on the schedule if we hope to ever be anything in the college basketball world.

As far as I am concerned we are currently not even an afterthought. Better scheduling with a few wins against better opponents could change all of that in a hurry. Just look at what Dan Majerle has done at Grand Canyon (91 RPI) in only two short years. Take a look at who he has played at home and on the road. If they can do it why can't Weber. The only excuse we have is that we don't try to do it. We settle! As the commercial for Direct TV goes, "we are settlers, we settle for cable". Come on Weber, lets do it!!

 

[oldrunner]

I'm with you 100%, baller. I'm sure that Rahe is 100% with you as well. I'm not trying to make any excuses, but it probably is not as easy as you make it sound.

One patsy for an exhibition game and one additional patsy before conference is plenty. Part of the problem, in the west, is that the MWC and the WCC think they are big time. They think if they pretend to be the PAC12, that it will happen. It's a little pathetic if you ask me, but those teams are refusing to play BSC teams on the road. I really wish the NCAA would set some rules to level the playing field a bit, but that seems quite unlikely. We all know who runs the show at the NCAA. It's the Dukes, the Kentuckys, and the NCs of the world. It is not the St Mary's, BYUs. or Webers. Part of the problem lies at the feet of the mid major, high major wanabees who truly believe they have a chance to be accepted into the clubhouse. The mid majors could push through an agenda if they would just stand together, but they don't. They remain passive and allow the tail to wag the dog. hno:

Oh horse CRAP!!! Just this last season the Idaho Vandals HOSTED a Pac12 School. Every single year other Big Sky teams HOST Mountain west and WCC games. Dont give me the excuse that they wont play the Big SKy.
Check out this tourney that EWU got into and actually gets to host a game or 2 http://goeags.com/news/2016/3/31/mens-basketball-eastern-to-play-and-host-games-in-2016-legends-classic.aspx Why in the HELL can't Weber ever get this type of thing?
I'm tired of the excuses!

Eastern got Bryant, Seattle, and Louisiana Monroe at their place. Not bad, not great. Then, did you notice the road games included Northwestern, and Notre Dame. If you are telling me that they now get a home game with ND and Northwestern, then I would say that it's sensational. I don't think that is what you are saying. Those teams are not playing at BSC venues.

I would like to see an 8 team, instate, preseason tournament. The first 4 games could be played on the home floors of the 4 highest rated teams at the end of the previous season. The semifinal and final could be played at a neutral site. I think it could work. You could get all of the instate games out of the way in one week and crown a champion.

 

[ajwildcat]

I'm with you 100%, baller. I'm sure that Rahe is 100% with you as well. I'm not trying to make any excuses, but it probably is not as easy as you make it sound.

One patsy for an exhibition game and one additional patsy before conference is plenty. Part of the problem, in the west, is that the MWC and the WCC think they are big time. They think if they pretend to be the PAC12, that it will happen. It's a little pathetic if you ask me, but those teams are refusing to play BSC teams on the road. I really wish the NCAA would set some rules to level the playing field a bit, but that seems quite unlikely. We all know who runs the show at the NCAA. It's the Dukes, the Kentuckys, and the NCs of the world. It is not the St Mary's, BYUs. or Webers. Part of the problem lies at the feet of the mid major, high major wanabees who truly believe they have a chance to be accepted into the clubhouse. The mid majors could push through an agenda if they would just stand together, but they don't. They remain passive and allow the tail to wag the dog. hno:

Oh horse CRAP!!! Just this last season the Idaho Vandals HOSTED a Pac12 School. Every single year other Big Sky teams HOST Mountain west and WCC games. Dont give me the excuse that they wont play the Big SKy.
Check out this tourney that EWU got into and actually gets to host a game or 2 http://goeags.com/news/2016/3/31/mens-basketball-eastern-to-play-and-host-games-in-2016-legends-classic.aspx Why in the HELL can't Weber ever get this type of thing?
I'm tired of the excuses!

Eastern got Bryant, Seattle, and Louisiana Monroe at their place. Not bad, not great. Then, did you notice the road games included Northwestern, and Notre Dame. If you are telling me that they now get a home game with ND and Northwestern, then I would say that it's sensational. I don't think that is what you are saying. Those teams are not playing at BSC venues.

I would like to see an 8 team, instate, preseason tournament. The first 4 games could be played on the home floors of the 4 highest rated teams at the end of the previous season. The semifinal and final could be played at a neutral site. I think it could work. You could get all of the instate games out of the way in one week and crown a champion.

Thats a whole lot better than hosting University of Antelope Valley, Pacific Union College, and Multnomah.

 

[Webergrad02]

I'm with you 100%, baller. I'm sure that Rahe is 100% with you as well. I'm not trying to make any excuses, but it probably is not as easy as you make it sound.

One patsy for an exhibition game and one additional patsy before conference is plenty. Part of the problem, in the west, is that the MWC and the WCC think they are big time. They think if they pretend to be the PAC12, that it will happen. It's a little pathetic if you ask me, but those teams are refusing to play BSC teams on the road. I really wish the NCAA would set some rules to level the playing field a bit, but that seems quite unlikely. We all know who runs the show at the NCAA. It's the Dukes, the Kentuckys, and the NCs of the world. It is not the St Mary's, BYUs. or Webers. Part of the problem lies at the feet of the mid major, high major wanabees who truly believe they have a chance to be accepted into the clubhouse. The mid majors could push through an agenda if they would just stand together, but they don't. They remain passive and allow the tail to wag the dog. hno:

Oh horse CRAP!!! Just this last season the Idaho Vandals HOSTED a Pac12 School. Every single year other Big Sky teams HOST Mountain west and WCC games. Dont give me the excuse that they wont play the Big SKy.
Check out this tourney that EWU got into and actually gets to host a game or 2 http://goeags.com/news/2016/3/31/mens-basketball-eastern-to-play-and-host-games-in-2016-legends-classic.aspx Why in the HELL can't Weber ever get this type of thing?
I'm tired of the excuses!

I agree the excuses get really old. The line that no one will come play us is garbage. We offer way below the going rate for guarantee games and then we complain that we get no takers. The game has changed we have to start looking at scheduling differently. Its time to get creative and quit doing "just enough".

 

[oldrunner]

I agree the excuses get really old. The line that no one will come play us is garbage. We offer way below the going rate for guarantee games and then we complain that we get no takers. The game has changed we have to start looking at scheduling differently. Its time to get creative and quit doing "just enough".

I totally agree that it is time to get it done, no excuses. We may have to go play some places that we don't want to, in order to get a better home schedule. Just do it. If we must have any patsy on our schedule, at least make it one that we have heard of. If it turns out that you can not get enough home games for a season ticket package, lower the price and have less games. Don't just fill it up with Sister Mary of the Poor's School for Hairdressers. Nobody needs that. :willybs: :wall: